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This team would look considerably better with good quarterback play. Give this team a true threat at QB and the whole team improves. I strongly believe that. The problems with this team are on offense and it starts at QB. The QB play thus far, regardless of the OL, has been below subpar. Interior line is needed but everyone plays better when you trust your QB is going to take you places. Our guys cannot possibly be confident in either Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbert to take this team where it needs to be and that hurts more than some think in my own opinion.


I've yet to see a great quarterback play in a Jaguars uniform and I look for that to change. Next year, the future will be drafted. Then we will get to see if he's the right one. I look forward to the team drafting the best QB prospect in the draft and watching Caldwell build around him. I'm interested to seebhow Caldwell handles rbings and watch his plan unfold. Whether it is right or wrong we will see but I want THE man at QB for the Jaguars and that is something I have yet to see.

Quote:Forget the players for a second then, I'm trying to make the point that gutting the roster of any talent in order to rebuild the roster is insanity and rarly ever works. People ALWAYS respond with "they where 2-14 how could letting anyone go be bad?" It's not a valid argument, a 2-14 team is not void of talent, cutting starters and replacing them with UDFA or journymen Vets is a backward way to build a roster.

 

If the Gene tenure should've taught us anything it's 4 years is WAY to long to give someone to turn it around. I'm tired of hearing "oh but we where so bad give it time" we heard it when Shack took over as GM, Gene took over as GM, and now that Caldwell is taking over, sure lets give it time but damn it don't go backwards to go forward again.

 

I guess I'm just frustrated, we ignored the line (both sides of the ball) we released just about the entire secondary and decided to rock out with 2 rookies and some journeymen, I just look at the roster and I think where did we TRY to get better? I don't see it?

 

Which was exactly my point when responding to FBT's post brimming with optimism that Khan has "hired the right guys" (paraphrased).

Nobody has a clue if we hired the right guys.

We heard the same thing with Harris, Smith, Mularkey, on and on it goes and we are the ever rebuilding club of the decade.

What I have seen so far from Mr.Caldwell shows me no true genius, nor from Gus and his man Fisch.

For the love of Everything Holy, there is not a center in the NFL or College or at Target stocking boxes that can snap the ball and block better than Meester?

Yet, there is Meester. Why is Meester here?  Was that Genuis by Mr.Caldwell?

Did keeping Brad make everyone smile and realize Dave C was the man?

 

Where are some guards that are not turnstiles, supposedly the easiest position to fill, and one of the lowest paid spots on a team is the guards. Our guards are TERRIBLE WITH A HUGE T. Where was the off season genius of Mr.Caldwell?

They look like the same lost crew as the last crew, making cuts that are head scratchers, plays that are head scratchers, yes we can argue about Cox and others and everyone has an opinion, and it may be right or wrong. But did we get any better in the off season with the product put on the field now, today, tomorrow? Millions under the cap space and did we get any better?  No, I do not think we did, and our 32nd ranking sort of backs that up. That is not a genius organization. Unless it's to make money while spending less than everyone. Then I guess they are Mensa Material.

 

I love the Jags, I support the Jags, I do not understand the Jags right now, they did not stay the same, they went backwards, and for everyone that says you have to go backwards to go forward, well that is what all the losers say.

We will see, it's early, but c'mon, lets stop it with the "tank it talk", fans actually writing off the season, and in effect giving the current regime a total free pass on an entire season because they don't have a franchise QB.

We can COMPETE, maybe not win, but COMPETE, and look respectable with solid coaching and solid personnel moves even without an Andrew Luck. We competed with Garrard, and he wasn't exactly Peyton Manning. It can be done.

 

If we at least look like a  professional NFL squad,  then if we lose them all, we lose them all. No shame in that.

But right now we are not even competing folks, we are pathetic, so it's a bit early for the pep talk of "We finally have the right guys in place" speech.

The jury is out on that topic.

Quote:This team would look considerably better with good quarterback play. Give this team a true threat at QB and the whole team improves. I strongly believe that. The problems with this team are on offense and it starts at QB. The QB play thus far, regardless of the OL, has been below subpar. Interior line is needed but everyone plays better when you trust your QB is going to take you places. Our guys cannot possibly be confident in either Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbert to take this team where it needs to be and that hurts more than some think in my own opinion.


I've yet to see a great quarterback play in a Jaguars uniform and I look for that to change. Next year, the future will be drafted. Then we will get to see if he's the right one. I look forward to the team drafting the best QB prospect in the draft and watching Caldwell build around him. I'm interested to seebhow Caldwell handles rbings and watch his plan unfold. Whether it is right or wrong we will see but I want THE man at QB for the Jaguars and that is something I have yet to see.

 

I agree that we need to find THE Qb, but it's going to take a lot more than just that before we're truly competitive.  Not back into a wildcard twice in a decade competitive, but truly competitive (division title competitive.)

 

Roethlisberger is probably my favorite current QB alongside Brady, but even Roethlisberger can't overcome all that's around him and is currently sitting on 0-3.  Just like us.

 

There's zero doubt that you need the guy.  But you also need more than that.  Two solid offseasons from now that includes "the guy," and yes, this can look like a completely different team.

Getting the right QB is critical, but if that's all you do, he's just another Leftwich/Garrard/Gabbert cautionary tale. 

 

The line has to be fixed.  Going to the zone blocking scheme has clearly hurt the interior of the line, although age and questionable talent hasn't helped much.  Guys are out of position, missing assignments, or just plain getting beaten off the line. 

 

We also need to see our young receivers step it up moving forward.  We've seen flashes from Shorts and Blackmon, but they both need to take the next step in their development.  I think Sullivan can get them there, but you have to worry constantly about when Blackmon will make the next big mistake costing him a season?  He really needs to mature as a man in order to realize his potential as a player.  Hopefully they can get him there.  Show him videotape of Jimmy Smith in his prime mixed in with booking photos, arrest videos, and the rest so he can get a good sense of what his future looks like if he doesn't get things right.

 

Despite the lack of depth/talent on the defensive side of the ball, I think they've actually shown consistent improvement from week 1 until now.  There are still mistakes where you're seeing guys running through the defense, or finding massive holes in the secondary, but that will take care of itself with time.  The youth in the secondary makes that unavoidable.

 

I honestly believe that if they get the right QB for this team, plug in the pieces they need to fix the line, and keep Blackmon focused, the product we see next year will be dramatically improved over the lousy team we're watching today.  And going with all of that youth?  It should pay off for them next year and beyond. 

Quote:I agree that we need to find THE Qb, but it's going to take a lot more than just that before we're truly competitive.  Not back into a wildcard twice in a decade competitive, but truly competitive (division title competitive.)

 

Roethlisberger is probably my favorite current QB alongside Brady, but even Roethlisberger can't overcome all that's around him and is currently sitting on 0-3.  Just like us.

 

There's zero doubt that you need the guy.  But you also need more than that.  Two solid offseasons from now that includes "the guy," and yes, this can look like a completely different team.

 

Hypothetical:

 

The Steelers and Giants continue their losing ways and end up with top 5 draft picks.  One of them offers either Big Ben or Eli to trade up to one to get young at QB while they begin their rebuild.

 

Knowing this would cost the Jaguars Bridgewater and draft position, would you trade down with one of these teams and forgo QB in the first round?

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Knowing this would cost the Jaguars Bridgewater and draft position, would you trade down with one of these teams and forgo QB in the first round?

 

Depends on what comes with it. Give me Eli, their first and their second this/first next year? Yep.

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The Steelers and Giants continue their losing ways and end up with top 5 draft picks.  One of them offers either Big Ben or Eli to trade up to one to get young at QB while they begin their rebuild.

 

Knowing this would cost the Jaguars Bridgewater and draft position, would you trade down with one of these teams and forgo QB in the first round?

 

They'd have to bundle that with their first pick, and it would have to be a top 5 pick. 

Quote:No matter how bad things may get with this team, those of us who have been here through thick and thin will continue to support this team.


The first two games have certainly been a test for most, and the frustrations we all feel are only natural. But, a time will come when this team is on the upswing, and success returns. These challenging times will make it all that much sweeter.


Patience is going to be required, but I continue to remain optimistic we have the right people in place to address the years of abuse this team has been subjected to. It won't be a quick fix, but most things worth having take time to develop.


It's not a pretty picture right now, but it will get better.

I wish everybody understood this and was willing to believe it. Unfortunately, it seems the people who are right are in the minority.

 

I still plan to buy a game ticket this year. We can beat somebody at home. More than one somebody, in fact. Then next year we can win more games than we will this year.

Quote:Hypothetical:

 

The Steelers and Giants continue their losing ways and end up with top 5 draft picks.  One of them offers either Big Ben or Eli to trade up to one to get young at QB while they begin their rebuild.

 

Knowing this would cost the Jaguars Bridgewater and draft position, would you trade down with one of these teams and forgo QB in the first round?

 

I'd say you certainly do, then you also add a QB to groom behind them.

To those who answered the hypothetical, how do you think your answer might change, if at all, if the Jaguars had been a playoff team the past 5 years and this was the year of the monumental collapse?

 

In other words, is the desperate hunger to win possibly influencing your answer?

 

I'm not sure if I would take a trade of that nature, even if it included the swap of first round picks.

 

Right now, I see two QBs that may carry top 5 grades by next May-Bridgewater and Hundley (UCLA QB).

 

I would expect both of them will be gone by pick 5 or so, as would Clowney.

 

While the desperation to see credible QB play immediately for the Jaguars would tempt me greatly to pull the trigger in an offer like that, I don't know if I'd want to face the same situation 5 years down the road, especially if I were sold on Bridgewater or Hundley.

Quote:To those who answered the hypothetical, how do you think your answer might change, if at all, if the Jaguars had been a playoff team the past 5 years and this was the year of the monumental collapse?

 

In other words, is the desperate hunger to win possibly influencing your answer?

 

I'm not sure if I would take a trade of that nature, even if it included the swap of first round picks.

 

Right now, I see two QBs that may carry top 5 grades by next May-Bridgewater and Huntley (UCLA QB).

 

I would expect both of them will be gone by pick 5 or so, as would Clowney.

 

While the desperation to see credible QB play immediately for the Jaguars would tempt me greatly to pull the trigger in an offer like that, I don't know if I'd want to face the same situation 5 years down the road, especially if I were sold on Bridgewater or Huntley.

 

Is this team a QB away next year? Would the additional pick(s) add other important pieces to the roster? How does the QB class look in 2014?

 

I think an Eli Manning along with additional picks would be something great for the long term health of the roster especially if you add an additional 1 or 2 (ex drop from 1.1 to 1.5 but add 2.5 to go along with 2.1). Getting Bridgewater or any other QB next year will not help if he's getting the Garrard treatment behind a bad line, but adding an extra Cyprian or Brian Wagner? Sign me up.

Certainly one area that will be much better at this point next season is the secondary.  While young, I am encouraged by what I see from players like Cyprien and McCray.  This year is really just a chance for them to get some experience on a broken team so they can grow and be ready for when the offense finds its fix (i.e. new QB, OL issues galore).  

Quote:Is this team a QB away next year? Would the additional pick(s) add other important pieces to the roster? How does the QB class look in 2014?

 

I think an Eli Manning along with additional picks would be something great for the long term health of the roster especially if you add an additional 1 or 2 (ex drop from 1.1 to 1.5 but add 2.5 to go along with 2.1). Getting Bridgewater or any other QB next year will not help if he's getting the Garrard treatment behind a bad line, but adding an extra Cyprian or Brian Wagner? Sign me up.

This makes no sense.

 

You're saying that we should not draft Teddy if we get #1 but instead, trade that pick and get another safety or LB? This entire league always has been and always will be about the QB. There's a reason we havent been consistently good since Brunell left and its because we have had subpar QB play here. The one year we did have decent QB play was the year we made the playoffs and beat the Steelers.

 

Chargers traded Eli away and then look what happened.. Eli went on to win 2 super bowls while the Chargers are stuck with Rivers who could never produce in the playoffs.

 

If Teddy is there and he is as good as everyone says he is, we take him with no questions asked.

If you're sold on the potential of any of the rookie QBs as franchise guys, you take them in a heartbeat. Easily. I don't see how there is any hesitation. Eli and Big Ben are or are going to be on the downhill side of their careers and Big Ben may be closer than you think. That guy has taken a beating in his career.


You pick your QB if you feel he's the guy and start drafting pieces around him asap supplementing that with pieces in free agency. It's about a lot more than getting the QB. This team will need to add a lot of help along with the QB in order for him to survive and be successful.


If you don't think any of the rookie QB options are the guy I'm OK with a veteran signing for the year. Then you still begin adding pieces on offense asap. That has to happen regardless.

u can't just plug in a QB like Bridgewater or Boyd and think this team is saved. roethlisberger is elite, eli manning is elite, RGIII is very good and all their teams are winless. someone needs to get a clue. a team is needed here

Quote:This makes no sense.

 

You're saying that we should not draft Teddy if we get #1 but instead, trade that pick and get another safety or LB? This entire league always has been and always will be about the QB. There's a reason we havent been consistently good since Brunell left and its because we have had subpar QB play here. The one year we did have decent QB play was the year we made the playoffs and beat the Steelers.

 

Chargers traded Eli away and then look what happened.. Eli went on to win 2 super bowls while the Chargers are stuck with Rivers who could never produce in the playoffs.

 

If Teddy is there and he is as good as everyone says he is, we take him with no questions asked.

 

Do you remember what happened to David Carr? You're wasting a pick to take a top QB only to get him shell shocked.

The team is going to be looking to sign 2 new QBs next year unless Gabbert somehow shows us something miraculous between now and the end of the season. 

 

If the trade still involves landing one of the QBs listed, plus a top 5 pick, I'd still support the premise of the scenario.  You'd have a veteran QB on the roster who is a proven entity.  You could still draft a QB who would then be allowed to learn the position behind the veteran.  That was actually the plan when Gabbert was drafted.  Unfortunately, Garrard's back made that situation a non-option.  When McCown floundered, the coaching staff panicked and threw Gabbert in long before he was ready, and it's been a series of missteps since then that have more than likely damaged his potential beyond repair.

 

We don't want to see that happen again.

 

Getting the proven veteran QB along with a draft prospect would be the best approach for this team.  It would take the pressure off of trying to develop the QB instantly to assume the starting role while providing us with a stable, moderately productive starter at the same time.

Quote:u can't just plug in a QB like Bridgewater or Boyd and think this team is saved. roethlisberger is elite, eli manning is elite, RGIII is very good and all their teams are winless. 

 

 

Eli Manning is not "elite". 

 

The Jaguars will be night & day better if they can get Bridgewater in the draft. 

 

Boyd?....notsomuch

Quote:u can't just plug in a QB like Bridgewater or Boyd and think this team is saved. roethlisberger is elite, eli manning is elite, RGIII is very good and all their teams are winless. someone needs to get a clue. a team is needed here

 

Very well put.

Quote:Eli Manning is not "elite". 

 

The Jaguars will be night & day better if they can get Bridgewater in the draft. 

 

Boyd?....notsomuch

 

2 superbowls is now not elite? mind listing all the other qbs who have 2 or more? anyway, you certainly must be shallow if you miss the  point. a college qb is not going to fix this team. when  big ben, rg3, and eli play behind porous lines you see what happens. look at Rodgers, one win.