Quote:2 superbowls is now not elite? mind listing all the other qbs who have 2 or more? anyway, you certainly must be shallow if you miss the point. a college qb is not going to fix this team. when big ben, rg3, and eli play behind porous lines you see what happens. look at Rodgers, one win.
He did make the plays he had to make in those SB games. Can't take that away from him. But no, a truly "elite" QB that does not make. The entire body of work should be considered. JUst because Dan Marino never won a SB doesn't mean he wasn't elite, and just because bums like Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson won SB's doesn't make them elite.
like i said u miss the point.
Quote:Which was exactly my point when responding to FBT's post brimming with optimism that Khan has "hired the right guys" (paraphrased).
Nobody has a clue if we hired the right guys.
We heard the same thing with Harris, Smith, Mularkey, on and on it goes and we are the ever rebuilding club of the decade.
What I have seen so far from Mr.Caldwell shows me no true genius, nor from Gus and his man Fisch.
For the love of Everything Holy, there is not a center in the NFL or College or at Target stocking boxes that can snap the ball and block better than Meester?
Yet, there is Meester. Why is Meester here? Was that Genuis by Mr.Caldwell?
Did keeping Brad make everyone smile and realize Dave C was the man?
Where are some guards that are not turnstiles, supposedly the easiest position to fill, and one of the lowest paid spots on a team is the guards. Our guards are TERRIBLE WITH A HUGE T. Where was the off season genius of Mr.Caldwell?
They look like the same lost crew as the last crew, making cuts that are head scratchers, plays that are head scratchers, yes we can argue about Cox and others and everyone has an opinion, and it may be right or wrong. But did we get any better in the off season with the product put on the field now, today, tomorrow? Millions under the cap space and did we get any better? No, I do not think we did, and our 32nd ranking sort of backs that up. That is not a genius organization. Unless it's to make money while spending less than everyone. Then I guess they are Mensa Material.
I love the Jags, I support the Jags, I do not understand the Jags right now, they did not stay the same, they went backwards, and for everyone that says you have to go backwards to go forward, well that is what all the losers say.
We will see, it's early, but c'mon, lets stop it with the "tank it talk", fans actually writing off the season, and in effect giving the current regime a total free pass on an entire season because they don't have a franchise QB.
We can COMPETE, maybe not win, but COMPETE, and look respectable with solid coaching and solid personnel moves even without an Andrew Luck. We competed with Garrard, and he wasn't exactly Peyton Manning. It can be done.
If we at least look like a professional NFL squad, then if we lose them all, we lose them all. No shame in that.
But right now we are not even competing folks, we are pathetic, so it's a bit early for the pep talk of "We finally have the right guys in place" speech.
The jury is out on that topic.
You might want to look up what the term "paraphrase" means, because I've never said they hired the right guy. I know this is going to be difficult for you, but what I HAVE said REPEATEDLY is that time will tell if they've hired the right guy, and his approach is what will turn the fortunes around for this franchise. Is it really that difficult to understand? Or, is it just your agenda to really try to portray me like some yes man when that's simply not the case. You know, manufacture truth when the reality doesn't suit your needs?
Quote:2 superbowls is now not elite? mind listing all the other qbs who have 2 or more? anyway, you certainly must be shallow if you miss the point. a college qb is not going to fix this team. when big ben, rg3, and eli play behind porous lines you see what happens. look at Rodgers, one win.
You know what's funny about the dog whimperer saying Eli Manning isn't elite?
When Garrard took over as the starting QB, and he had mediocre stats across the board except for his QB rating, TMD tried to portray him as an elite QB.
So, a high QB rating against rather pedestrian stats is elite, but winning two Super Bowls is just ho-hum to the bar stool diva.
Quote:He did make the plays he had to make in those SB games. Can't take that away from him. But no, a truly "elite" QB that does not make. The entire body of work should be considered. JUst because Dan Marino never won a SB doesn't mean he wasn't elite, and just because bums like Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson won SB's doesn't make them elite.
But David Garrard had elite stats, right?
Quote:You know what's funny about the dog whimperer saying Eli Manning isn't elite?
When Garrard took over as the starting QB, and he had mediocre stats across the board except for his QB rating, TMD tried to portray him as an elite QB.
So, a high QB rating against rather pedestrian stats is elite, but winning two Super Bowls is just ho-hum to the bar stool diva.
I said Garrard had an elite 2007, and he did.
He never could come close again, though.
Quote:Do you remember what happened to David Carr? You're wasting a pick to take a top QB only to get him shell shocked.
What?! So you're saying to not draft a QB first overall because of David Carr? Is that what i'm reading?
This makes even less sense than the previous statement you wrote. C'MON MAN!
Quote:I said Garrard had an elite 2007, and he did.
He never could come close again, though.
With one stat.
His overall stats were pedestrian, but considering the person referring to him as elite, it's clear you're willing to settle for mediocrity as long as you're right once in a blue moon.
Quote:With one stat.
His overall stats were pedestrian, but considering the person referring to him as elite, it's clear you're willing to settle for mediocrity as long as you're right once in a blue moon.
One stat?...Garrard had an elite comp %, YPA, QB rating, INT %, and winning pct that year. He also presided over the highest scoring Jags offense in team history that season....all while throwing to pretty much garbage receiving weapons. Garrard did have an elite 2007. I was correct when I said it then and I am still correct for saying it 6 years later.
Garrard's problem was consistency. He could never match or really come all that close to matching that 2007 season afterwards.
"Gray is better than Garrard *AND* Leftwich"...
That must make him "Elite" benchwarmer in TMDland.
Quote:One stat?...Garrard had an elite comp %, YPA, QB rating, INT %, and winning pct that year. He also presided over the highest scoring Jags offense in team history that season....all while throwing to pretty much garbage receiving weapons. Garrard did have an elite 2007. I was correct when I said it then and I am still correct for saying it 6 years later.
Garrard's problem was consistency. He could never match or really come all that close to matching that 2007 season afterwards.
In 2007, "elite" David Garrard was the 18th ranked QB in the league.
His "elite" completion % was ranked 10th among regular starters.
His "elite" YPA was ranked 9th,
His "elite" int % was probably the result of him being the 22nd ranked starting QB for number of pass attempts.
His "elite" rank for pass attempts per game among starting QBs landed him at #32.
Total passing yards was an "elite" 18th.
Calling David Garrard "elite" in any sense of the word only makes sense if you live your life accepting mediocrity as the gold standard, or you're married to him, so I guess that explains why you are the only person on the planet calling him that because you're darn sure not Mary Garrard.
Quote:In 2007, "elite" David Garrard was the 18th ranked QB in the league.
by what measure/ stat are you getting "18th"?
Thats ridiculous. There were not 17 QB that had a better season than Garrard in 2007. There just weren't.
You know it too.
Quote:by what measure/ stat are you getting "18th"?
Thats ridiculous. There were not 17 QB that had a better season than Garrard in 2007. There just weren't.
You know it too.
Go pull up the stats yourself on NFL.com and check that if you doubt it. Overall ranking of NFL QBs for 2007 landed him at an elite #18. I'm assuming that ranking is based on "elite" passing yards, but that's what you're greeted with as the first ranking.
Keep on trying. It isn't going to get any better. Garrard was never elite, or even remotely close. He had one better than average season, and that's it. And it was only BARELY better than average.
Quote:Go pull up the stats yourself on NFL.com and check that if you doubt it. Overall ranking of NFL QBs for 2007 landed him at an elite #18. I'm assuming that ranking is based on "elite" passing yards, but that's what you're greeted with as the first ranking.
Keep on trying. It isn't going to get any better. Garrard was never elite, or even remotely close. He had one better than average season, and that's it. And it was only BARELY better than average.
LOL, the 18th ranking was in passing yards, not an "overall ranking" of 18th.
The low passing yards total was more a product of the tandem of Fred & MoJo that season, rather than an indictment of how Garrard was playing that season. Disingenuous of you to imply that the low yardage totals were due to poor QB play.
I knew that number was off.
Garrard had a fine season in 2007, seems like you can't give him proper cred.
So, when do we move to London? I have been there and love the city!
Been absent for a while. Nothing changed except a new looking board. TMD and FBT trying to one up each other. Even the insults are the same. Stay United, indeed.
Quote:Been absent for a while. Nothing changed except a new looking board. TMD and FBT trying to one up each other. Even the insults are the same. Stay United, indeed.
meh....in most entertainment there has to be a protagonist and an antagonist...
But I'm the protagonist of course.
More like the court jester...
Quote:LOL, the 18th ranking was in passing yards, not an "overall ranking" of 18th.
The low passing yards total was more a product of the tandem of Fred & MoJo that season, rather than an indictment of how Garrard was playing that season. Disingenuous of you to imply that the low yardage totals were due to poor QB play.
I knew that number was off.
Garrard had a fine season in 2007, seems like you can't give him proper cred.
So, the fact that it's passing yards is somehow comical? I guess I can see your point if you're trying to spin mediocrity as being elite. I know you do this on a daily basis in your own life, but it's a tough sell trying to convince people that David Garrard was ever anything even remotely close to elite status in the league. 18th in passing. Elite indeed.