(06-15-2017, 09:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2017, 06:07 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Therein lies the problem. They don't condemn it. They'll foam at the mouth over words they find offensive, but not a peep when one of their own acts out violently.
That is such complete [BLEEP]. Why does anyone even need to condemn such an action. Everyone knows it was wrong. Who is it that needs to condemn murder? That is such nonsense.
If the shooter was conservative and the congressmen were liberals and the right didn't condemn the shooting, the left would be rioting in the streets. Hell, there would be rioting anyway.
I guess the mindset is the left has been glorifying the death of a sitting President (or at least not condemning it) and then someone actually goes out and shoots a bunch of conservative congressmen- premeditated at that- and people are looking to see if the left thinks this is just as "okay" as they do the depictions of a sitting POTUS "deaths." When you don't condemn a thing then it looks like you condone it, especially in today's society.
(06-17-2017, 08:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Both sides are at fault. The overheated rhetoric sells. People have been making money on it. But now it's seeped into people's minds to the extent that they are acting like they really believe it.
Anyone who allows the media (or movies or music for that matter) to influence them to that degree are already compromised in their way of thinking anyway. I'm not saying everyone who does is mental or whatever, just that their thought process is already on the edge and it just took something to tip them over to the dark side.
And Ann Coulter is an evil woman. She is hate and discontent personified.
Four pages into this, can we at least agree the attacker was not a "typical liberal democrat".
(06-18-2017, 07:52 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Four pages into this, can we at least agree the attacker was not a "typical liberal democrat".
He was a typical leftist.
What was different about this particular partisan? He had a bizarre fixation on a fine-grained system of progressive tax rates. Maybe an obsession with tax policy is a precursor for violence that should be looked into. Maybe we should round up the Fair Tax people before they strike.
(06-18-2017, 08:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 07:52 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Four pages into this, can we at least agree the attacker was not a "typical liberal democrat".
He was a typical leftist.
Complete and total [BLEEP]. And you know it.
Was Dylan Roof a "typical right winger?"
(06-19-2017, 09:57 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]What was different about this particular partisan? He had a bizarre fixation on a fine-grained system of progressive tax rates. Maybe an obsession with tax policy is a precursor for violence that should be looked into. Maybe we should round up the Fair Tax people before they strike.
Do they have a long history of political assassination like the left does?
(06-19-2017, 10:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 08:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He was a typical leftist.
Complete and total [BLEEP]. And you know it.
History is a [BLEEP] when you're on the wrong side of it. Those people wear [BLEEP] Che shirts for gods sake, they WANT Communism and Socialism and are willing to kill to get it, so dont say I'm wrong about facts. The Left is a violent and tyrannical movement and has been for a very long time.
(06-19-2017, 10:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2017, 08:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He was a typical leftist.
Complete and total [BLEEP]. And you know it.
Was Dylan Roof a "typical right winger?"
Nope, a typical racist scumbag.
(06-19-2017, 10:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 09:57 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]What was different about this particular partisan? He had a bizarre fixation on a fine-grained system of progressive tax rates. Maybe an obsession with tax policy is a precursor for violence that should be looked into. Maybe we should round up the Fair Tax people before they strike.
Do they have a long history of political assassination like the left does?
Being on "the left" has nothing to do with shooting people. To say it does is just pure slander. All that kind of talk does is drive people further apart. Can we not talk about actual issues any more, instead of trying to demonize anyone who disagrees with us, and accusing them in being in league with the nutbags who shoot people?
(06-19-2017, 10:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 10:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Do they have a long history of political assassination like the left does?
Being on "the left" has nothing to do with shooting people. To say it does is just pure slander. All that kind of talk does is drive people further apart. Can we not talk about actual issues any more, instead of trying to demonize anyone who disagrees with us, and accusing them in being in league with the nutbags who shoot people?
Whatever, you go look at who is killing the politicians the last 200 years and show me all the right wingers in the group. The left is a violent political movement who's killed millions of people around the world and they are no different at this moment than they have been for their history.
(06-19-2017, 10:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 10:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Being on "the left" has nothing to do with shooting people. To say it does is just pure slander. All that kind of talk does is drive people further apart. Can we not talk about actual issues any more, instead of trying to demonize anyone who disagrees with us, and accusing them in being in league with the nutbags who shoot people?
Whatever, you go look at who is killing the politicians the last 200 years and show me all the right wingers in the group. The left is a violent political movement who's killed millions of people around the world and they are no different at this moment than they have been for their history.
That is pure prejudice and nothing else. Was Sirhan Sirhan a "typical Arab?" Was John Hinckley a "typical white guy?"
There's nothing typical about someone who picks up a gun and starts shooting people. To say otherwise is just an attempt to avoid any real issues, but demonizing the other side of the argument. You've been nicely brainwashed by your thought-controllers who don't want you to listen to anyone with another point of view.
Liberals are bad. Don't listen to liberals. Cover your ears. They are bad people.
It's just an attempt to avoid any reasonable discussion. Let's just scream at each other instead, and call each other names, and accuse the other side of being evil miscreants who shouldn't even exist. It's so much easier than actually thinking rationally.
(06-19-2017, 10:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 10:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever, you go look at who is killing the politicians the last 200 years and show me all the right wingers in the group. The left is a violent political movement who's killed millions of people around the world and they are no different at this moment than they have been for their history.
That is pure prejudice and nothing else. Was Sirhan Sirhan a "typical Arab?" Was John Hinckley a "typical white guy?"
There's nothing typical about someone who picks up a gun and starts shooting people. To say otherwise is just an attempt to avoid any real issues, but demonizing the other side of the argument. You've been nicely brainwashed by your thought-controllers who don't want you to listen to anyone with another point of view.
Liberals are bad. Don't listen to liberals. Cover your ears. They are bad people.
It's just an attempt to avoid any reasonable discussion. Let's just scream at each other instead, and call each other names.
Covering your ears? Like you're doing about the Left's penchant for shooting politicians? Like you're doing to the millions killed and brutaluzed by the Bolshevicks, Soviets, the ChiComms, the Killing Fields, the Revolucion? That we should just ignore their history just because, swearsies, we're different this time? No, the Left is evil and those who support it are either ignorant, complacent, or accepting of it. If we permit it unchallenged then we are fools.
(06-19-2017, 10:55 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 10:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That is pure prejudice and nothing else. Was Sirhan Sirhan a "typical Arab?" Was John Hinckley a "typical white guy?"
There's nothing typical about someone who picks up a gun and starts shooting people. To say otherwise is just an attempt to avoid any real issues, but demonizing the other side of the argument. You've been nicely brainwashed by your thought-controllers who don't want you to listen to anyone with another point of view.
Liberals are bad. Don't listen to liberals. Cover your ears. They are bad people.
It's just an attempt to avoid any reasonable discussion. Let's just scream at each other instead, and call each other names, and accuse the other side of being evil miscreants who shouldn't even exist. It's so much easier than actually thinking rationally.
I don't know much about Sirhan Sirhan or John Hinckley. Other than being killers, were they very similar to others in the groups you mentioned?
I do know a lot about James Hodgkinson. His social media activities are there for all to see, and they were very similar to those of millions of other liberal Democrats.
So your point (highlighted) is that shooting excludes someone from being "typical?" That's a pretty rare criteria to separate otherwise typical members of a group. Can't a group of typical people include one who eventually crosses a line that others don't? Does that magically exclude him from his 99.9% of similarities?
Sirhan Sirhan was absolutely an Arab. John Hinckley was absolutely a white guy. James Hodgkinson was absolutely a Bernie Sanders supporter. So what is your point? That Bernie Sanders supporters are likely to shoot people? Then why not say that Arabs are likely to shoot people, or that white guys are likely to shoot people, because one of them shot people just like James Hodgkinson.
See my point? One member of a group does something bad, so we (actually you in this case) slander the entire group. I would never say abortion opponents like to shoot up abortion clinics, even though it has happened several times. Because to say that is just a way to avoid the issue of abortion, which is a serious issue that should not be clouded by the fact that some nutbag shot up an abortion clinic.
That's what you're doing when you call James Hodgkinson a "typical leftist." You're just muddying the waters to the extent that people can no longer have a real discussion of real issues because people who disagree with us are evil. Tribalism trumps actual rational thought. Can't we stop wasting our time demonizing each other and start thinking and discussing things rationally? It just turns this message board into a mud fight. A completely unproductive waste of time. Just throwing mud at each other.
(06-19-2017, 11:16 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Sirhan Sirhan was absolutely an Arab. John Hinckley was absolutely a white guy. James Hodgkinson was absolutely a Bernie Sanders supporter. So what is your point? That Bernie Sanders supporters are likely to shoot people? Then why not say that Arabs are likely to shoot people, or that white guys are likely to shoot people, because one of them shot people just like James Hodgkinson.
See my point? One member of a group does something bad, so we (actually you in this case) slander the entire group. I would never say abortion opponents like to shoot up abortion clinics, even though it has happened several times. Because to say that is just a way to avoid the issue of abortion, which is a serious issue that should not be clouded by the fact that some nutbag shot up an abortion clinic.
That's what you're doing when you call James Hodgkinson a "typical leftist." You're just muddying the waters to the extent that people can no longer have a real discussion of real issues because people who disagree with us are evil. Tribalism trumps actual rational thought. Can't we stop wasting our time demonizing each other and start thinking and discussing things rationally? It just turns this message board into a mud fight. A completely unproductive waste of time. Just throwing mud at each other.
This is so off base. I never said that leftists are likely to shoot people. 99.9% of the population are not likely to shoot people. That doesn't change the fact that Hodgkinson was a typical liberal Democrat, or that most of the politically-motivated shootings in the US have been by leftists.
I'm not implying cause and effect.
Then you were just making an interesting observation?
Not all leftists are political assasins but almost all political assasins have been leftists.
(06-19-2017, 11:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not all leftists are political assasins but almost all political assasins have been leftists.
That does not appear to be true, based on this list of political assassinations in the United States.
Political Assassinations in the United States
Most of the listed assassinations don't appear to have anything to do with being a leftist or a rightist. It's mostly just personal reasons. Lost an election, rejected for a job, killed by a supporter of a rival from the same political party, organized crime contract killing. Almost all of these have nothing to do with the assassin being a leftist or a rightist.
(06-19-2017, 12:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-19-2017, 11:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not all leftists are political assasins but almost all political assasins have been leftists.
That does not appear to be true, based on this list of political assassinations in the United States.
Political Assassinations in the United States
Most of the listed assassinations don't appear to have anything to do with being a leftist or a rightist. It's mostly just personal reasons. Lost an election, rejected for a job, killed by a supporter of a rival from the same political party, organized crime contract killing. Almost all of these have nothing to do with the assassin being a leftist or a rightist.
The killing of a politician is not a political assasination.
Ring wing nut job shoots up a church to start a race war and he's a lone wolf with mental problems. Left wing guy shoots a politician and it's proof that leftist are part of a violent movement overall. The amount of self delusion and confirmation bias the majority in here on the right show on a daily basis is astounding but that thinking is pretty disgusting. Shameful.
(06-19-2017, 02:44 PM)boudreaumw Wrote: [ -> ]Ring wing nut job shoots up a church to start a race war and he's a lone wolf with mental problems. Left wing guy shoots a politician and it's proof that leftist are part of a violent movement overall. The amount of self delusion and confirmation bias the majority in here on the right show on a daily basis is astounding but that thinking is pretty disgusting. Shameful.
Starting a race war is not a political act. Killing a president or congressman because they are on the other side of the aisle is. But carry on with your smarm my friend.