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(07-19-2017, 04:08 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017, 03:58 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]DF, your "sig" is going to get me in trouble at work...  I keep pausing a bit too long.

Why are you browsing the board at work?

It beats working.

So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

Who said that? His off the field behavior is what is being discussed. Isn't it?

(07-20-2017, 03:43 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

Who said that? His off the field behavior is what is being discussed. Isn't it?

In case you haven't been reading the last two pages or so; It was, but not anymore. Just a few gems from those two pages:

"This guy is approaching epic bust levels very quickly"
"Fowler wasn't even a full time starter and led all DEs in penalties"
"Fowler simply isn't good enough to be in the news like this."
"Fowler hasn't even shown he can be the 30th best pass rusher in the NFL"

BTW, it's the usual posters that are willing to throw a player under the bus at the slightest transgression. The same people that wanted MJD gone after he had his offseason kerfuffle, the same people that were nowhere to be seen when it turned out MJD had nothing to do with that. So you'll excuse me if I don't hold the opinions of Team [BLEEP] in any high regard.

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In case you haven't been reading the last two pages or so; It was, but not anymore. Just a few gems from those two pages:

"This guy is approaching epic bust levels very quickly"
"Fowler wasn't even a full time starter and led all DEs in penalties"
"Fowler simply isn't good enough to be in the news like this."
"Fowler hasn't even shown he can be the 30th best pass rusher in the NFL"

BTW, it's the usual posters that are willing to throw a player under the bus at the slightest transgression. The same people that wanted MJD gone after he had his offseason kerfuffle, the same people that were nowhere to be seen when it turned out MJD had nothing to do with that. So you'll excuse me if I don't hold the opinions of Team [BLEEP] in any high regard.
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Meh, in the four examples you gave I would say only the first is not really accurate. This will all be forgotten if he balls out this year.

(07-20-2017, 03:59 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2017, 03:43 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Who said that? His off the field behavior is what is being discussed. Isn't it?

In case you haven't been reading the last two pages or so; It was, but not anymore. Just a few gems from those two pages:

"This guy is approaching epic bust levels very quickly"
"Fowler wasn't even a full time starter and led all DEs in penalties"
"Fowler simply isn't good enough to be in the news like this."
"Fowler hasn't even shown he can be the 30th best pass rusher in the NFL"

BTW, it's the usual posters that are willing to throw a player under the bus at the slightest transgression. The same people that wanted MJD gone after he had his offseason kerfuffle, the same people that were nowhere to be seen when it turned out MJD had nothing to do with that. So you'll excuse me if I don't hold the opinions of Team [BLEEP] in any high regard.

You get a point for effective use of the word "kerfuffle."

But your larger point remains intact too.  While we are talking about Fowler's off field transgressions, the word "bust" is being assigned to him.

That wouldn't be the case if he put up 12 sacks last year.  The bust label is being attached to his off field and on field performance.

(07-20-2017, 04:03 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1005722' dateline='1500580782']
This will all be forgotten if he balls out this year.

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My point exactly. People on here are incredibly quick to discard a player over some transgression and in order to back their narrative they pretend the player is crap and always has been crap. Fact is, Fowler was playing in his first real season, coming off an ACL tear and he did perfectly fine, not great, but fine.

Edit: [BLEEP] this stupid [BLEEP] quote feature that won't let you [BLEEP] edit anything without [BLEEP] up the formatting.

It's going to cost him a bundle monetarily. Lawsuit wise and possibly game suspension wise.

Meanwhile in another world Yannick is straight working.

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

You continue to miss the point.  

1.  Led the league in penalties for defensive ends as a back-up.  Several of those penalties were in critical situations mind you.

2.  10 speeding tickets many of them for going 9 over (which in Fla is a serious offense) in 20 months.  Heck, I am 54 and don't have that even when I include parking violations.

3.  Cheering on your Ex and your current GF's in a fight instead of breaking it up.

4.  Resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer (yes I know full well how these charges can get trumped up however when an officer ask you to get on the sidewalk and out of the street just do it)

5.  He got out of his car and assaulted someone his dad's age, broke his glasses and tossed his possessions into a lake over a comment concerning his driving.

6.  All of this when combined shows a pattern of his lack of respect for authority and poor decision making.

7.  Finally, not one member of this board wants to see him fail.  Everyone of us would love for him to have an epiphany and turn his life around.  Being critical of someone with such potential that is throwing it away due to poor decisions is not hating on the guy.  It is frustration.

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

 Look beyond the stats. He got some sacks off stunts but I can barely think of a time he beat an OT off the edge. He looked terrible out there most of the time. Jack Conklin was a rookie and he planted Fowler in the turf all game long. And most other OTs did the same thing.
 He has zero technique when it comes to rushing the passer. That can be coached, but this dude is a project plain and simple, and may lack the maturity to put in the work to learn the position. Dave took this clown at #3, meanwhile Amari Cooper, Scherff, and Leonard Williams went right after him and have made an instant impact. Dave picked literally the only turd in a stacked top 5 of the draft. That's why we are the loser Jags.

(07-20-2017, 05:37 PM)Jerrad Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

 Look beyond the stats. He got some sacks off stunts but I can barely think of a time he beat an OT off the edge. He looked terrible out there most of the time. Jack Conklin was a rookie and he planted Fowler in the turf all game long. And most other OTs did the same thing.
 He has zero technique when it comes to rushing the passer. That can be coached, but this dude is a project plain and simple, and may lack the maturity to put in the work to learn the position. Dave took this clown at #3, meanwhile Amari Cooper, Scherff, and Leonard Williams went right after him and have made an instant impact. Dave picked literally the only turd in a stacked top 5 of the draft. That's why we are the loser Jags.

I'm not confident Fowler can be taught to rush the passer to a degree that his draft position would be acceptable.

He was another awful pick in a long line of them which is another reason I don't have a good feeling about Fournette. Picking RB at number four isn't usually a good idea.

(07-20-2017, 03:25 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question that apparently needs to be asked: A guy pops his ACL causing him to miss his rookie season, then he comes back the next season to record 4 sacks and 5 Pdef's in what is essentially his second rookie season and somehow this is unacceptable? Come again?

Ah, someone using the stat sheet rather than their eyes again. You must have missed the multiple flagrant personal fouls, the lack of any kind of pass rushing moves, or the fact that his position coach said he needed to learn how to watch film AFTER he had been out for his entire rookie year due to injury. How many of those sacks were on stunts? All that is before we even get to the off-field stuff, which he's been screwing up ever since he worse those dumb gold-studded shoes on draft night. 

This kid has bust written all over him as far as I'm concerned. Talented? Sure, maybe. The work ethic to harness any of it simply isn't there, and he seems to be a less than intelligible guy to be sure. Screw those dumpy 4 sacks and 5 Pdefs.

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(07-20-2017, 04:15 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to cost him a bundle monetarily. Lawsuit wise and possibly game suspension wise.

Meanwhile in another world Yannick is straight working.

Let's talk about money. They have to decide on picking up his 5th year option after this season, right? So besides the money he's cost himself that you mention, he's going to need to deliver a monster, injury-free season in order to even sniff that 5th year option.

If he gets seriously hurt this year again I would bet we cut ties with him before he even plays that 4th year. Who's going to sign him to big money after that?

Fowler better pull his head out of his posterior and fast, or he's gonna arrive in bustville/brokeville faster than anyone ever thought.

Going 9 over in a 65 or even 55 is nothing.

(07-21-2017, 06:13 AM)Monty Wrote: [ -> ]Going 9 over in a 65 or even 55 is nothing.

Being an NFL player that means he was going Mach 3 in a school zone.

Makes us love Yannick even more.

(07-21-2017, 06:13 AM)Monty Wrote: [ -> ]Going 9 over in a 65 or even 55 is nothing.

Yes but, 10 tickets?   10!   How does he keep his license?

(07-21-2017, 06:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-21-2017, 06:13 AM)Monty Wrote: [ -> ]Going 9 over in a 65 or even 55 is nothing.

Being an NFL player that means he was going Mach 3 in a school zone.

Zeek got clocked doing over a buck thru a toll. And so casually fondeled a chick up top on a public balcony while sipping on a brewsky. Cause cowgirls?

(07-21-2017, 07:16 AM)fredalwaysajag Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-21-2017, 06:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Being an NFL player that means he was going Mach 3 in a school zone.

Zeek got clocked doing over a buck thru a toll. And so casually fondeled a chick up top on a public balcony while sipping on a brewsky. Cause cowgirls?

Oh... well if Zeke is out there acting like a complete idiot... surely a less performing player on a worse team can do it

Fowler is on a fast track to being a 100% bust.

The worst part about him is that he doesn't seem to have any impulse control at all, and we can see that on the field too with the penalties, the getting kicked out of practice, etc.

I've also seen a video of him in his car around this time last year, visibly intoxicated - then getting out and bragging that he has a Range Rover AND a Bentley before he started doing some stupid dance in the middle of the street. He took the video down a few minutes after posting it but we have a copy.

Combined with his other arrests and multiple tickets, it paints a clear picture that Dante is an absolute vision who has no impulse control. IF they decide to keep him, he's going to have to mature and prove he's worth keeping.

Personally I would understand if they cut him. Primarily because he didn't show much to begin with and we already have a guy starting over him that we picked in the 3rd round. Combine that with how much of an idiot Dante is, and I wouldn't be upset one bit if they released him.

I personally don't care about what he does off the field as long as his play is stellar. However, his play has shown back up on depth chart. He is not better then Campbell or Yannick right now.