Quote:I was always taught, even if you don't respect the man, respect the office he holds
You are so hilariously hypocritical. When the right attacks something, they can do no wrong. When someone on the left uses their grandest stage (as we all should) to voice an opinion on something that matters deeply to them, it's disrespectful, snowflakey, whatever.
Quote:Please point out where I said they should be arrested
First Amendment rights are not limited to not being arrested.
Quote:I was always taught, even if you don't respect the man, respect the office he holds
Where was the disrespect? They did not ban or harass Pence. They let him watch and enjoy the performance, then spoke to him at a time they are normally bowing to applause.
He's not Vice-King, or Vice-Emperor. We don't need favor from the Court to address our leaders.
Quote:You are so hilariously hypocritical. When the right attacks something, they can do no wrong. When someone on the left uses their grandest stage (as we all should) to voice an opinion on something that matters deeply to them, it's disrespectful, snowflakey, whatever.
It's like they forgot this is a two way street already. We being the right have blasted Obama for 8 years anyway and anywhere and anyone that joined in publically was a folk hero.
I think we'd be best to remember that as the right is now solely in power were going to have to deal with some public criticism it comes with the territory and I'm fine with it.
But respect the office......lol both sides left that concept a looooooonnnngggg time ago.
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Hint: anyone who says, "they would have had no right to lecture the President" is as full of [BAD WORD REMOVED] as Gus Bradley during his postgame press conferences.
Credit for managing to tie this back to our beloved Jags. :thumbsup:
Quote:I was always taught, even if you don't respect the man, respect the office he holds
This from a man who genuinely entertains the idea that Obama is part of ISIS.
We had to deal with Obama and we lived. They can deal with Trump and live with it. They'll all eventually cry themselves out and head back to their safe spaces.
Quote:It was curtain call. The play was over. Nothing was disrupted for anyone. Those who didn't want to hear it had seen the content of the play as written without distraction. If they were deeply snowflaked by the writer of a political play making a statement to a newly-elected politician with controversial views and a lot of unknowns surrounding him, they were free to leave with nothing of value lost.
Again, the point of entertainment is to be
entertained, not hear the personal views of the entertainers regardless of who they are. It would be like going to see a Star Wars movie, which I am a huge fan of, and before the credits roll we get the director of the movie giving his or her personal opinion on politics or how bad movies not directed by him suck or whatever. Total buzzkill.
Quote:Yes, if I had the support of the entire organization.
See, I don't think politics or religion belong in the workplace for the very reasons politics is barely tolerated here, and religious discussion not at all. It's personal and my POV on both subjects is not going to be shared by everyone just as yours wouldn't be. These subjects are very divisive and I just believe they should stay outside the workplace unless you work for an organization that IS religion or politics and even then it's still dicey.
Quote:Again, the point of entertainment is to be entertained, not hear the personal views of the entertainers regardless of who they are. It would be like going to see a Star Wars movie, which I am a huge fan of, and before the credits roll we get the director of the movie giving his or her personal opinion on politics or how bad movies not directed by him suck or whatever. Total buzzkill.
See, I don't think politics or religion belong in the workplace for the very reasons politics is barely tolerated here, and religious discussion not at all. It's personal and my POV on both subjects is not going to be shared by everyone just as yours wouldn't be. These subjects are very divisive and I just believe they should stay outside the workplace unless you work for an organization that IS religion or politics and even then it's still dicey.
In this case everyone from the producers to stage hands were on board. A theater, especially a venue being used to present a very political production, is not a typical workplace, and it becomes even less typical when a future Vice-President drops in.
Quote:It upset The Donald.
No, it made the cast of a prestigious play look like fools by trying to push a political agenda. The message isn't the problem, It's how it was delivered.
Quote:It upset The Donald.
So much that he had to tweet about it.
Donald is now president elect of the United States. It's past time for him to grow a thick skin like his VP and act big. Tweeting about a 30 second comment by Broadway actors about his buddy is pretty damn small.
Quote:No, it made the cast of a prestigious play look like fools by trying to push a political agenda. The message isn't the problem, It's how it was delivered.
In a calm and respectful manner?
Quote:In a calm and respectful manner?
No, in an entertainment setting where you go out and try to enjoy yourself. There's a time and place for everything and that wasn't the time or place.
Quote:In this case everyone from the producers to stage hands were on board. A theater, especially a venue being used to present a very political production, is not a typical workplace, and it becomes even less typical when a future Vice-President drops in.
True.
And honestly I have a debate with myself when subjects like this come up because on the one hand I believe politics/religion do not belong in the workplace. On the other, if a bakery owner doesn't want to sell to people whose personal life they don't agree with due to their beliefs, they shouldn't be forced to because they own that business and run it based on their beliefs. But then you're talking discrimination which I don't believe in and if you're going to own a business you shouldn't let personal feelings get in the way of serving customers.
These things are vexing. My thoughts and feelings about it all have gone from one side to the other for sure. I just wish this stuff weren't an issue. I'm of the mind of, can't we all just get along? It may not seem like it but I am.
Quote:So much that he had to tweet about it.
Donald is now president elect of the United States. It's past time for him to grow a thick skin like his VP and act big. Tweeting about a 30 second comment by Broadway actors about his buddy is pretty damn small.
I agree with this 100%. He represents more than just himself now and needs to grow up. If he actually learns the lesson it's probably going to take a while. In the 60 Minutes interview he was asked whether he would use social media like he did during his campaign and he didn't give a straight up yes or no which is concerning due to his temperament.
If he didn't like what the dude said he could have had a tactful personal message sent to express himself. Twitter is useless at conveying real thought.
Quote:No, in an entertainment setting where you go out and try to enjoy yourself. There's a time and place for everything and that wasn't the time or place.
There's a podium, an audience and a recently elected politician. I can't think of a better time or place.
Quote:I agree with this 100%. He represents more than just himself now and needs to grow up. If he actually learns the lesson it's probably going to take a while. In the 60 Minutes interview he was asked whether he would use social media like he did during his campaign and he didn't give a straight up yes or no which is concerning due to his temperament.
If he didn't like what the dude said he could have had a tactful personal message sent to express himself. Twitter is useless at conveying real thought.
Not only that, he could have addressed the actors' concerns publicly and let them know they have nothing to worry about. Unless, of course, he thinks they really do have something to worry about, which I actually sincerely doubt.
For a brief moment last week he reversed his usual counterpunch approach and said (paraphrasing) "what a great country where people have the right to protest" after tweeting "unfair!" And I thought, "Well done. There is hope." And then he does this, again. His first reaction is always to defend a perceived attack on HIMSELF before seeing the bigger picture and actually listening to what OTHERS think.
I'm hoping he reverses the apology demand, acknowledges the right of free speech, and recognizes just how incredibly insignificant this is in the grand scheme of things.