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Quote:There's a podium, an audience and a recently elected politician. I can't think of a better time or place.

Idiots will idiot no matter what and idiots will support em..

Quote:I find it just a touch hilarious and sad when the big bad tough guy anti PC movement shows itself to be just as thin skinned and weak to criticism as it's leader. Something something safe space was it?

 


Replying to boudreaumw (can't fix the quote): 

 

Not sure that's even that's happening here. It wasn't the time or place for political discourse. Being offended doesn't mean you're thin-skinned. How you handle it does, however.


 

Quote:They get upset when people boycott Chick Fil-a for their stance on gay marriage, but then when Starbucks puts out Red Cups without the word "Christmas" on it, they act like someone's declared war on them. 

What they hate isn't PC culture.  What they hate is when people call them out on what they do.  They want to be free of criticism.

 

There are people on both sides that get entirely to invested in what others believe. There are too many people that get offended. Implying that it isn't far more prevalent from Democrats / liberals doesn't make your point. 

 

Quote:Political rant? I didn't see it that way.


It was a group who individuals who are nervous about this administration. 

 

Based on things that were said that were untrue or exaggerated from sources that politicize everything. It was absolutely political. 

 

Quote:You want to silence your critics.  Anyone who might dare speak out against the Vice President, shouldn't be allowed to say what they want to say.  (Unless it happens to be about Obama/Biden, of course.  I still remember when the Dixie Chicks were treated like traitors for saying they were ashamed that Bush was the president, but those same people applauded Ted Nugent for his comments criticizing Obama).  The hypocrisy is hilarious.  It's politically correctness to expect people not to speak out.  


Mall Santa gets fired for telling little girl, unprovoked, that Hillary is on the naughty list?  TOTALLY FINE by you guys.  He shouldn't have been fired!  He has free speech.  (I guess if the little girl had been VP, it would have been expected that Santa not tell her unprovoked who's on the naughty list)  

 

Cast of Hamilton calls out the VP?  ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE!  NOT THEIR PLACE!  What right do they have (other than, you know, the first amendment) to call out the VP at a musical he paid to come and see?!  


I guess you conservatives need your safe spaces.  

 

No way. The actors / actresses used their platform to lecture him. They didn't want conversation or debate. They didn't want understanding. They wanted to say how they felt and took advantage of the situation whereby Pence wasn't prepared to or capable of defending his stance or arguing against their's. 

 

While you and others seemingly love to use hyperbole, I didn't get the impression that people are behaving as you describe them. Telling people that they shouldn't say something isn't the same as saying that they can't say something. Most reasonable people know they have the right, and if you were honest, you'd know most people fall into that group.

 

Trump should've just ignored it. The irony here, however, is that people like you are spending too much time criticizing a few conservatives for doing the exact same thing the Hamilton cast did. 

Quote:Not only that, he could have addressed the actors' concerns publicly and let them know they have nothing to worry about.  Unless, of course, he thinks they really do have something to worry about, which I actually sincerely doubt.

 

For a brief moment last week he reversed his usual counterpunch approach and said (paraphrasing) "what a great country where people have the right to protest" after tweeting "unfair!"  And I thought, "Well done.  There is hope."  And then he does this, again.  His first reaction is always to defend a perceived attack on HIMSELF before seeing the bigger picture and actually listening to what OTHERS think.

 

I'm hoping he reverses the apology demand, acknowledges the right of free speech, and recognizes just how incredibly insignificant this is in the grand scheme of things.

 

anonymous2112 for Prez. 

Quote:Not only that, he could have addressed the actors' concerns publicly and let them know they have nothing to worry about.  Unless, of course, he thinks they really do have something to worry about, which I actually sincerely doubt.

 

 

Yep, this would have been a good idea as well. I think he's just so used to being able to say whatever and get no grief from it other than from the media. He has got to put his big boy pants on because the things he says and does reflect on this country, not just his personal life or business life. It's one thing to bluster your way through an election, everyone does it, but when it gets real it's time to act like an adult and not a petulant child.

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Not sure that's even that's happening here. It wasn't the time or place for political discourse. Being offended doesn't mean you're thin-skinned. How you handle it does, however.


 

 

There are people on both sides that get entirely to invested in what others believe. There are too many people that get offended. Implying that it isn't far more prevalent from Democrats / liberals doesn't make your point. 

 

 

Based on things that were said that were untrue or exaggerated from sources that politicize everything. It was absolutely political. 

 

 

No way. The actors / actresses used their platform to lecture him. They didn't want conversation or debate. They didn't want understanding. They wanted to say how they felt and took advantage of the situation whereby Pence wasn't prepared to or capable of defending his stance or arguing against their's. 

 

While you and others seemingly love to use hyperbole, I didn't get the impression that people are behaving as you describe them. Telling people that they shouldn't say something isn't the same as saying that they can't say something. Most reasonable people know they have the right, and if you were honest, you'd know most people fall into that group.

 

Trump should've just ignored it. The irony here, however, is that people like you are spending too much time criticizing a few conservatives for doing the exact same thing the Hamilton cast did. 

 

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There is much truth in this post. All this reason and logic coming from both sides of the coin. What's going on here?

Quote:Yep, this would have been a good idea as well. I think he's just so used to being able to say whatever and get no grief from it other than from the media. He has got to put his big boy pants on because the things he says and does reflect on this country, not just his personal life or business life. It's one thing to bluster your way through an election, everyone does it, but when it gets real it's time to act like an adult and not a petulant child.

 

Yep, the Donald is getting ready to get schooled.

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Not sure that's even that's happening here. It wasn't the time or place for political discourse. Being offended doesn't mean you're thin-skinned. How you handle it does, however.


 

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Mods, please fix the quote system. Click on the arrow link next to my name in the quote and you'll see what I mean.

Quote:Mods, please fix the quote system. Click on the arrow link next to my name in the quote and you'll see what I mean.

 

Yeah, I didn't catch that until now. My bad. Can't fix it or I would

Quote:No way. The actors / actresses used their platform to lecture him. They didn't want conversation or debate. They didn't want understanding. They wanted to say how they felt and took advantage of the situation whereby Pence wasn't prepared to or capable of defending his stance or arguing against their's. 

 

Telling a politician "These are our concerns, we hope you take them seriously" is hardly a lecture.

Quote:Telling a politician "These are our concerns, we hope you take them seriously" is hardly a lecture.

 

Overly simplifying the situation doesn't explain what happened, either.

 

You're kidding yourself if you don't think using the stage and a speaker system while addressing "concerns" that aren't based in fact isn't a lecture. 

Quote:Overly simplifying the situation doesn't explain what happened, either.

 

You're kidding yourself if you don't think using the stage and a speaker system while addressing "concerns" that aren't based in fact isn't a lecture. 

 

Abraham Lincoln would probably preferred it to HIS theatre experience.

Quote:No, in an entertainment setting where you go out and try to enjoy yourself. There's a time and place for everything and that wasn't the time or place.

Was there a time and place when Trump made fun of a reporter with special needs?

Quote:First Amendment rights are not limited to not being arrested.

Please, talk more about this

Quote:Abraham Lincoln would probably preferred it to HIS theatre experience.

 

You're a baaaad man.  

If Hilary was elected president and this happened to her vice president the conservatives/republicans would praise the people in the play for demonstrating their american spirit and for showing him what they think.

First, no one is saying that the guy doesn't have the right to be a condescending jerk, even to the future vp.  We are pointing out that we have the right to point out that the guy was being a condescending jerk.  

 

"We are nervous that your administration won't protect our inalienable rights?"  REALLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY I know the Trump platform backwards and forwards...  enforcing immigration law has diddly squat to do with disenfranchising any citizen.  So this isn't about what someone rationally thinks, this isn't about distinguished political protest, this is about proliferating the B.S. Stereotype that all republicans are racist bigot good time rock & rollers. 

 

It would be the same as if at the end of a show someone pulled me aside and said "Sir, we were nervous that you would steal from us.  We know that people who look like you have been stealing since they could crawl.  We just hope that spending this time with us has turned you away from a life of hard drugs and crime."  

 

The guy has the right to say it, he even has a right to say it to the VP's face.  And i have the right to not buy a $2 DVD if it has this guys name on it and darn sure not pay 10k for a ticket to a musical.  

Quote:No, in an entertainment setting where you go out and try to enjoy yourself. There's a time and place for everything and that wasn't the time or place.

Merica

And another thing.  Not only was this whole set up condescending, its just ignorant.  Donald Trump/ Mike Pence won 13% of the black male vote, they won close to 30% of the hispanic vote they won over 50% of the cuban american vote.  Part of their platform includes a New Deal for Black America and a stated goal by Steve Bannon is to grow to 40% minority support over the next 8 years.  Where is the "Might not protect our children?"  This is old hat race baiting from a tired political ideology that has found itself intelectually bankrupt in the wake of 8 years and 10 trillion dollars that have disproved everything they believed economically.  I am tired of seeing this kind of ignorant condescending vitriol being held up as legitimate political discourse to be praised to the high heavens. 

Quote:Replying to boudreaumw (can't fix the quote):


Not sure that's even that's happening here. It wasn't the time or place for political discourse. Being offended doesn't mean you're thin-skinned. How you handle it does, however.



There are people on both sides that get entirely to invested in what others believe. There are too many people that get offended. Implying that it isn't far more prevalent from Democrats / liberals doesn't make your point.



Based on things that were said that were untrue or exaggerated from sources that politicize everything. It was absolutely political.



No way. The actors / actresses used their platform to lecture him. They didn't want conversation or debate. They didn't want understanding. They wanted to say how they felt and took advantage of the situation whereby Pence wasn't prepared to or capable of defending his stance or arguing against their's.


While you and others seemingly love to use hyperbole, I didn't get the impression that people are behaving as you describe them. Telling people that they shouldn't say something isn't the same as saying that they can't say something. Most reasonable people know they have the right, and if you were honest, you'd know most people fall into that group.


Trump should've just ignored it. The irony here, however, is that people like you are spending too much time criticizing a few conservatives for doing the exact same thing the Hamilton cast did.

People that disagree and are concerned have a stage and an opportunity to speak directly to the person their concerns are about as he's the running mate. When is the time? When is it OK to express concerns? Is it only when they feel safe and secure? When you run a campaign of fear anger and divisivness (which is what a huge portion of the country perceives out as) you don't really get to play the victim and call for safe spaces.

Quote:Overly simplifying the situation doesn't explain what happened, either.

 

You're kidding yourself if you don't think using the stage and a speaker system while addressing "concerns" that aren't based in fact isn't a lecture. 

 

They weren't trying to teach him a lesson, or point out where Trump and Pence were wrong. They merely pointed out they had fears they wouldn't be represented, and hoped he understood that. Whether they are right or wrong, it was just a short speech.

 

This may be rare in theater, but musicians inject political commentary and rants during live performances all the time.

 

It's really no big deal. Except for The Donald.