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Who is Minnesota's back up LG and LT? Let trade him for 1 or both.

(08-08-2017, 01:13 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Who is Minnesota's back up LG and LT? Let trade him for 1 or both.

Rashod Hill. Our practice squad LT from last year lol.

(08-08-2017, 10:03 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2017, 09:59 AM)UCF Knight Wrote: [ -> ]I can't imagine he steps foot on the field again for the Jaguars.  He wasn't any good when he was out there at the start of camp, he's going to be even worse now.  He doesn't want to play, he won't rework a deal, this is all about a money grab and good for him.

Now blow your money happily in Miami.

But since the team is on the hook now for the 3.4 mil, I'd work his lard butt into the ground between now and final cuts.  And then, if he was good enough to make the roster, I'd deactivate him every week unless he won a starting job.  The chump needs to be made an example for the lazy and disloyal.

Are we on the hook?   Maybe he's the one on the hook.  The $3.4 million is the last 2 years of a signing bonus that was paid him when he originally signed with the Dolphins.   So, we don't have to pay him anything, because he's already collected that $3.4 million.  

When we traded for him, we inherited the contract, which includes the right to reclaim the un-amortized portion of the signing bonus. 

So here's my question.   Since he has retired, and we put him on the reserve/retired list before he reported back to work, can the Jaguars actually MAKE $3.4 million from his retirement?   A PROFIT.   He owes us $3.4 million that the Dolphins paid him!  

because WE INHERITED THE CONTRACT!!! 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...en-albert/

Albert should have just shown up George Constanza style.

(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2017, 01:13 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Who is Minnesota's back up LG and LT? Let trade him for 1 or both.

Rashod Hill. Our practice squad LT from last year lol.

Are you serious? lol

Trade for him. That'll be real insult to injury. lol

(08-08-2017, 10:50 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2017, 09:18 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't hurt anything to let him come back to camp.  Odds are he realized that stroking a check for $3.4 million was less appealing than getting back on the field.  So, the team should let him come back and compete for a roster spot.  If he's serious, he'll earn one.  If this is just a way of avoiding having tor return that money, he'll  end up released before the season starts.

Well that sounds good in theory but I'm truly on the fence on this one. This guy has shown us his true colors from the moment OTA's began. I'm not all that confident that if he's allowed to come back that he doesn't "pull a hamstring" in hopes of not having to play and getting cut or traded all the while collecting the money he un-retired for. Either way he avoids the field and gets his way. The only way I would allow him back is a real commitment to the team by restructuring his contract so the Jags can protect themselves. But we all know he won't agree to that.

There's no way to trust any verbal commitment this guy might make.  I see it like this.  He screwed the team because he never wanted to play here, but had no say in where Miami traded him.  He decides to sit out voluntary practices as he tries to press the team to give him a new contract.  The team doesn't flinch, and no deal is made.  He shows up out of shape and ill-prepared for mandatory practices.  He decides to retire when camp starts, only to do a take back when he most likely realized he'd have to pay back a portion of his bonus.  So, the team should let him return, let him run with the scrubs for the remainder of training camp, let him take all the late game reps with the scrubs in the preseason.  If he gets injured, so be it.  Release him on the day teams have to get down to the final 53.  Not a moment before.

The guy screwed the team.  This is how they return the favor.  Releasing him now would only be a win for him as he'd have time to hook up with another team before the start of the season.  He won't be much of a commodity on cut down day.  No team is going to snap him up and pay the guaranteed money, so there won't be any trade happening.  If he's lucky, he'll land somewhere for league minimum as a backup.

The Jags retain his rights. If he wants to un-retire and play for another team, it will require a trade.

The way I see it, it's kind of a "win-win" situation for both the Jaguars and Albert in terms of the money situation.  If I understand correctly, the Jaguars still have "rights" to him as far as ever playing in the NFL again.  In return, he gets to keep his bonus money (that was paid by the Dolphins).

In the end it was a slight loss to the Jaguars in terms of competition and having a good veteran mentor for rookie Cam Robinson.  It was also a loss for the Dolphins in that they returned the 7th round pick and lost the $3+ million paid to Albert.

(08-09-2017, 02:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it, it's kind of a "win-win" situation for both the Jaguars and Albert in terms of the money situation.  If I understand correctly, the Jaguars still have "rights" to him as far as ever playing in the NFL again.  In return, he gets to keep his bonus money (that was paid by the Dolphins).

In the end it was a slight loss to the Jaguars in terms of competition and having a good veteran mentor for rookie Cam Robinson.  It was also a loss for the Dolphins in that they returned the 7th round pick and lost the $3+ million paid to Albert.

I wouldn't personally consider a guy who skipped the voluntary team activities, then shows up out of shape, then retires, then un-retires a good mentor.

(08-09-2017, 02:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it, it's kind of a "win-win" situation for both the Jaguars and Albert in terms of the money situation.  If I understand correctly, the Jaguars still have "rights" to him as far as ever playing in the NFL again.  In return, he gets to keep his bonus money (that was paid by the Dolphins).

In the end it was a slight loss to the Jaguars in terms of competition and having a good veteran mentor for rookie Cam Robinson.  It was also a loss for the Dolphins in that they returned the 7th round pick and lost the $3+ million paid to Albert.

Essentially the Phins were on the hook for that money anyway....

So we traded Thomas for a 7th

(08-09-2017, 02:10 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2017, 02:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it, it's kind of a "win-win" situation for both the Jaguars and Albert in terms of the money situation.  If I understand correctly, the Jaguars still have "rights" to him as far as ever playing in the NFL again.  In return, he gets to keep his bonus money (that was paid by the Dolphins).

In the end it was a slight loss to the Jaguars in terms of competition and having a good veteran mentor for rookie Cam Robinson.  It was also a loss for the Dolphins in that they returned the 7th round pick and lost the $3+ million paid to Albert.

I wouldn't personally consider a guy who skipped the voluntary team activities, then shows up out of shape, then retires, then un-retires a good mentor.

In hindsight I wouldn't either.  However, what could have been is not the same as what went down.  The intent was for him to either be a fix at the position or compete with the rookie and possibly mentor him as he learned the NFL game vs. the college game.  Remember, he was acquired before the team even drafted Cam.

It's pretty clear now that for him it was all about the money and never about the game.  By all means I think Albert is pretty much garbage and done.

Yea just overall a lazy greedy player

How can we actually want this guy in the locker room? He flat out took his money and ran... what kind of message is that?

(08-09-2017, 10:31 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]How can we actually want this guy in the locker room? He flat out took his money and ran... what kind of message is that?

The message has been sent. He's not welcomed.

The CBA allows the Jags to retain his rights - see Marshawn Lynch

Albert is managed by BTI, which is a small agency but they are really doing a terrible job of advising or Albert has gone rogue-
I mean, I'm hoping they have a better plan than this circus show because it's certainly costing them both money.

Obviously, from all reports, Albert and the Jags came to an agreement: you go on reserve/retired, and we don't go after the $3.4 million bonus the Dolphins paid you.