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Quote:Thank you, I forgot Linder. Anyway, those 10 players I expect to be with us for at least the next few years. Much longer than any 10 from Gene. Caldwell isnt perfect, but if you remove the first draft where he still had Genes scouts. Hes been alright. Almost 50/50. Thats about as good as it gets in nfl. Yeah he had some high profile misses, but he has also got some real gems. Even a guy like myers who just sucked his first year here has really come around to looking decent. And he actually got us 1 pass rusher who gets savks in Yannick. We basically havent drafted a good pass rusher in over a decade.

only bad teams are missing in the first round as bad as he is. we dont have a single good player from his first two rounds before Jalen and Jack.

Quote:only bad teams are missing in the first round as bad as he is. we dont have a single good player from his first two rounds before Jalen and Jack.

Seems like Robinson was a pro bowler, and Lee doesn't look so bad either this year. Cyprien even looks decent. Yeah the 1st round picks have been bad, but the second have been pretty solid. The worst one is Yeldon, and even he has had moments when he looks like he might be good. 

Quote:Neither deserve two more years at all. They havent done anything to warrant getting more time.

It's just all a matter of perspective. I get your point of view, but I do feel Caldwell has amassed some good talent/potential here which is his job, Gus and Co havent been able to cultivate such talent, which is their jobs.


I still believe Bortles can turn it around, I really do believe in the guy. He has a certain affect I like about him. He focused on the wrong thing in the offseason, I think next year he's going to be more like late 2015 Bortles. And also this QB draft class sucks anyways. I'm all for bringing in a Veteran though

who to replace him with that we know will be better?

Quote:who to replace him with that we know will be better?

We don't know if the next person will be better. What we do know is that Caldwell not been good enough and has failed two biggest decisions a GM has to make miserably.

Quote:Seems like Robinson was a pro bowler, and Lee doesn't look so bad either this year. Cyprien even looks decent. Yeah the 1st round picks have been bad, but the second have been pretty solid. The worst one is Yeldon, and even he has had moments when he looks like he might be good. 

 

  If Johnathan Cyprien was drafted in the 4th Round,  or even as the 3rd Round moved along,  the perception of him as an NFL player would be noticeably more favorable than it has been.   This also might turn out to be the same with T.J. Yeldon.   Both are clearly NFL caliber players.   But they probably won't live up to their draft billing.  

Quote:who to replace him with that we know will be better?

I think Caldwell will stay but your reason is why Gus is here right now. He should have been fired after last season given how ridiculously easy our schedule was last year.


"Yea. We should fire Gus but who out there is better? And Blake will have to learn a new offense and that's not good. Keep Gus and hope he turns it around."

Quote:Neither deserve two more years at all. They havent done anything to warrant getting more time.

Bortles had the best season for Jags qb ever last year. Caldwell gets another coach. End of story.

Quote:Seems like Robinson was a pro bowler, and Lee doesn't look so bad either this year. Cyprien even looks decent. Yeah the 1st round picks have been bad, but the second have been pretty solid. The worst one is Yeldon, and even he has had moments when he looks like he might be good.

Robinson was a trade up so i just kinda dont count him. Lee has played like four games and Cyp is cool and getting better but weve seen one year of decent play so thats hardly a hit.

Quote:who to replace him with that we know will be better?

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This is my choice.

Quote:Robinson was a trade up so i just kinda dont count him. Lee has played like four games and Cyp is cool and getting better but weve seen one year of decent play so thats hardly a hit.

Cyp is still not good despite what PFF says. He's better but still bad.

Quote:Bortles had the best season for Jags qb ever last year. Caldwell gets another coach. End of story.

What does this have to do with winning?

Quote:Bortles had the best season for Jags qb ever last year. Caldwell gets another coach. End of story.

Holy crap no he didn't. He compiled big numbers at a very inefficient rate. Don't confuse that with best season ever. 

 

Plenty of Brunell's seasons and even Garrard's top year were far better. 

Quote:Holy crap no he didn't. He compiled big numbers at a very inefficient rate. Don't confuse that with best season ever. 

 

Plenty of Brunell's seasons and even Garrard's top year were far better. 

 

LOL. Funny stuff right there. Look Mr Stats, Bortles did something no other QB has done here and he did it with a telethon beneficiary as his head coach. Brunell had the advantage of Coughling and great skill players. Garrard had Freddie and MJD plus a great D. Bortles gets a shot with a real coach. That's the way it is.

Quote:LOL. Funny stuff right there. Look Mr Stats, Bortles did something no other QB has done here and he did it with a telethon beneficiary as his head coach. Brunell had the advantage of Coughling and great skill players. Garrard had Freddie and MJD plus a great D. Bortles gets a shot with a real coach. That's the way it is.


 

If Blake had MJD and a great defense he would have had small numbers at a very inefficient rate so that doesn't help your point. His big numbers were directly tied to the fact that the run game and defense sucked.

Quote:If Blake had MJD and a great defense he would have had small numbers at a very inefficient rate so that doesn't help your point. His big numbers were directly tied to the fact that the run game and defense sucked.

 

And if me aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. You sure are certain about the unknowable, could you PM me the lotto numbers for next Saturday please?

Quote:If Blake had MJD and a great defense he would have had small numbers at a very inefficient rate so that doesn't help your point. His big numbers were directly tied to the fact that the run game and defense sucked.

 

Bortles had 71 20-yard throws last year and 11 40-yard throws.

 

That's better than anyone in the last 10 years except 1 QB (2 fewer). I stopped looking in 2006, so it could be far longer. Bortles didn't just throw for big numbers. He had one of the best deep passing seasons in the last decade. 

 

Now, before you get too excited, I'm not saying Bortles is having a good season. He makes too many mistakes. He did that last year, too. But you people act like QBs don't routinely regress during their second full season. Bortles is chalked full of potential, and there's no reason to believe that he can't get a lot better.

 

In their first 3 seasons:

 

Bortles: 66 TDs, 48 INTs

T. Brady: 64 TDs, 38 INTs (didn't throw less than 12/14 INTs until season 8)

P. Manning: 85 TDs, 58 INTs (didn't throw less than 19 INTs until season 5, averaged 14 a season)

D. Brees: 55 TDs, 38 INTs

M. Ryan: 66 TDs, 34 INTs

A. Rodgers: 86 TDs, 31 INTs

A. Dalton: 77 TDs, 49 INTs

E. Manning: 71 TDs, 55 INTs

 

Looking through each one of these, it became very obvious that they made a lot of mistakes early and they often didn't become a reliable QB until season 4 or 5. Aside from Rodgers, who was in his 4th year when he first started, every one was followed a somewhat similar path as Bortles. All of these, however, have significantly better mechanics than Bortles. I'm just saying that if we're giving up on Bortles right now, given the coaching situation, I believe it'll be a foolish mistake. He deserves at least another full season with a better staff supporting him. 

Quote:Bortles had 71 20-yard throws last year and 11 40-yard throws.

 

That's better than anyone in the last 10 years except 1 QB (2 fewer). I stopped looking in 2006, so it could be far longer. Bortles didn't just throw for big numbers. He had one of the best deep passing seasons in the last decade. 

 

Now, before you get too excited, I'm not saying Bortles is having a good season. He makes too many mistakes. He did that last year, too. But you people act like QBs don't routinely regress during their second full season. Bortles is chalked full of potential, and there's no reason to believe that he can't get a lot better.

 

In their first 3 seasons:

 

Bortles: 66 TDs, 48 INTs

T. Brady: 64 TDs, 38 INTs (didn't throw less than 12/14 INTs until season 8)

P. Manning: 85 TDs, 58 INTs (didn't throw less than 19 INTs until season 5, averaged 14 a season)

D. Brees: 55 TDs, 38 INTs

M. Ryan: 66 TDs, 34 INTs

A. Rodgers: 86 TDs, 31 INTs

A. Dalton: 77 TDs, 49 INTs

E. Manning: 71 TDs, 55 INTs

 

Looking through each one of these, it became very obvious that they made a lot of mistakes early and they often didn't become a reliable QB until season 4 or 5. Aside from Rodgers, who was in his 4th year when he first started, every one was followed a somewhat similar path as Bortles. All of these, however, have significantly better mechanics than Bortles. I'm just saying that if we're giving up on Bortles right now, given the coaching situation, I believe it'll be a foolish mistake. He deserves at least another full season with a better staff supporting him.

But he fails the "I" test, as in "I was the first to call that he was a bust."


Board full of freakin' hipsters we've become.


I haTed Blake Bortles before it was cool. I'd tell you who I would've taken but you've never heard of him.

Quote:No arguments from me, he hired the worst head coach of all time, and has missed on 2 (and soon to be 3) top 3 picks. He literally missed on the entire 2013 draft, he's had 4 years to build the offensive line, he's had 4 years to build a pass rush, he's failed miserably. David Caldwell might be the worst GM in the NFL.

Caldwell is far from the worst GM within the NFL. He has infused some serious talent within our team and 2013 doesn't count because he selected the players from the previous scheme's scouting reports. As a Norm, All GM will hit or miss each and every year. The only thing that Caldwell needs to do is continue selecting talent to which he already has alone/w deciding who his HC will be in 2017 and beyond...


NH3...

Spacecoastjag has told me he is fine cause he picked Bortholes.

 

"Best pick since Ryan Leaf"

 

"Not even Anger could change the franchise like this guy"

 

"I love him"