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(08-29-2017, 01:03 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2017, 12:36 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]So no one here would draft Jackson?

Not in the first 2 rounds 3 rounds 4 rounds....

No...

Jackson brings something different here. 

I would love for L Jack to come here.

(08-29-2017, 02:50 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2017, 01:03 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Not in the first 2 rounds 3 rounds 4 rounds....

No...

Jackson brings something different here. 

I would love for L Jack to come here.

That's how I felt about Manziel leading up to the draft

(08-29-2017, 12:36 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]So no one here would draft Jackson?

No. His style of play, poor mechanics and pencil thin frame makes me not want to even bother scouting him. What I want to see from him is Jameis Winston's style of play and what he is showing is Vince Young's style of play. He's just not a natural pocket passer. He relies way to much on his athletic ability and nothing else. That style does not translate to the NFL.

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(08-29-2017, 02:56 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2017, 02:50 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Jackson brings something different here. 

I would love for L Jack to come here.

That's how I felt about Manziel leading up to the draft

Not really much of an endorsement.

Like the Jags, Jackson is also used to playing with the worst offensive line in football. They allow even more free rushers than the Jags do.

(08-29-2017, 03:38 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]That's how I felt about Manziel leading up to the draft

Not really much of an endorsement.

Exactly... It sounds like a really bad idea

Except Jackson has elite arm talent on par with the Cutlers and Vicks.

(08-29-2017, 02:56 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2017, 02:50 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Jackson brings something different here. 

I would love for L Jack to come here.

That's how I felt about Manziel leading up to the draft

Manziel issues was he was a spoiled brat rich kid, comparing him to Manziel is crazy, Jackson is close to Mike Vick if we got Jackson and he took us to 3 AFC title games I would take that like Vick did for ATL, or if he did a Kap and took us to an AFC title game and a super bowl would take that too. If we got that much and then he flames out at least we got much more then our crappy other draft pick QBs as done.

Drew Brees is a FA next year and cant be franchised tagged. Just pay him whatever it is he wants and use a first round pick on a QB for the future like the Chiefs did for Mahomes. We instantly become the best team in the AFCS and become serious contenders in the playoffs.

Brees + Arob + Lee + Hurns + Forunette = explosive

(08-29-2017, 05:45 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Drew Brees is a FA next year and cant be franchised tagged. Just pay him whatever it is he wants and use a first round pick on a QB for the future like the Chiefs did for Mahomes. We instantly become the best team in the AFCS and become serious contenders in the playoffs.

Brees + Arob + Lee + Hurns + Forunette = explosive

Sounds good on paper but I don't' think Brees would ever want to play here unless we greatly overpaid him. (probably a 1 year nfl record salary)

It he continues his career he is going to want to go to a contender.

(08-29-2017, 05:45 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Drew Brees is a FA next year and cant be franchised tagged. Just pay him whatever it is he wants and use a first round pick on a QB for the future like the Chiefs did for Mahomes. We instantly become the best team in the AFCS and become serious contenders in the playoffs.

Brees + Arob + Lee + Hurns + Forunette = explosive

This makes a lot of sense when you consider Brees was coached up by Marrone the only year they won a Superbowl. If they can't land Brees I would hope Cousins is fortunate enough to escape WAS's clutches in 2018. 

But I can get on board with this. Brees would put this team in the divisional winner conversation pretty quickly granted that the defense can build on it's efforts from 2016 and however 2017 plays out. Could then hopefully draft his successor like Fitzgerald, Falk, Allen or Litton later on.

It will be interesting to see what plan we got with next year if we draft a QB in the first. Ideally you don't want to be forced into starting them year 1 and should have a caretaker QB ready to play , but at the same time they should be given every opportunity to win the job. If they have a baseline NFL skillset necessary to survive and you have a decent line to cover them then throw them out there, especially if they're better than you have.

If we're planning on drafting year you need a backup plan to start in their place in case development is slow at the beginning, just like Watson.

Kizer has the perfect opportunity right now. Great line, good running game and zero expectations.

(08-30-2017, 09:15 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to see what plan we got with next year if we draft a QB in the first. Ideally you don't want to be forced into starting them year 1 and should have a caretaker QB ready to play , but at the same time they should be given every opportunity to win the job. If they have a baseline NFL skillset necessary to survive and you have a decent line to cover them then throw them out there, especially if they're better than you have.

If we're planning on drafting year you need a backup plan to start in their place in case development is slow at the beginning, just like Watson.

Kizer has the perfect opportunity right now. Great line, good running game and zero expectations.

Brees would be an excellent caretaker

I just read the title and LOL... but then thought, hey GREAT IDEA....

Regarding the original premise, I think drafting two is a bad idea unless there's a guy sitting there in the 6th or 7th with incredible upside.

I prefer to sign a veteran stop-gap and draft a high pick at QB. Front-load the vet's contract and hope the new kid beats him out in year one or two.

I don't like carrying three QBs on the roster and those seriously talking about drafting more than two have completely lost their minds. You couldn't keep more than 3 of them when cut day arrives and you'd never have time to properly evaluate all of them.

One vet + one high pick = the smart way to fix the QB position.

(08-30-2017, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the original premise, I think drafting two is a bad idea unless there's a guy sitting there in the 6th or 7th with incredible upside.

I prefer to sign a veteran stop-gap and draft a high pick at QB.  Front-load the vet's contract and hope the new kid beats him out in year one or two.

I don't like carrying three QBs on the roster and those seriously talking about drafting more than two have completely lost their minds. You couldn't keep more than 3 of them when cut day arrives and you'd never have time to properly evaluate all of them.

One vet + one high pick = the smart way to fix the QB position.

You mean like a McCown/Gabbert combo? Or a Henne/Bortles?

(08-30-2017, 09:34 AM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2017, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the original premise, I think drafting two is a bad idea unless there's a guy sitting there in the 6th or 7th with incredible upside.

I prefer to sign a veteran stop-gap and draft a high pick at QB.  Front-load the vet's contract and hope the new kid beats him out in year one or two.

I don't like carrying three QBs on the roster and those seriously talking about drafting more than two have completely lost their minds. You couldn't keep more than 3 of them when cut day arrives and you'd never have time to properly evaluate all of them.

One vet + one high pick = the smart way to fix the QB position.

You mean like a McCown/Gabbert combo? Or a Henne/Bortles?

Yes, I do.  Only with competent NFL-caliber quarterbacks instead of those guys.

(08-30-2017, 09:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2017, 09:34 AM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]You mean like a McCown/Gabbert combo? Or a Henne/Bortles?

Yes, I do.  Only with competent NFL-caliber quarterbacks instead of those guys.

Do you trust this front office and scouts to be able to draft the right guys? I don't. I'd rather go for numbers and up our chances on hitting with somebody. Maybe if we had evaluators that I trusted, I'd feel differently, but right now, I'm just too skeptical. Personally, I love the idea of carrying 3 QB's. A high round rookie, a veteran caretaker, a late round rookie with promise and a small school UDFA. Let them fight it out in camp and the preseason and keep the best 3.

(08-30-2017, 10:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2017, 09:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I do.  Only with competent NFL-caliber quarterbacks instead of those guys.

Do you trust this front office and scouts to be able to draft the right guys? I don't. I'd rather go for numbers and up our chances on hitting with somebody. Maybe if we had evaluators that I trusted, I'd feel differently, but right now, I'm just too skeptical. Personally, I love the idea of carrying 3 QB's. A high round rookie, a veteran caretaker, a late round rookie with promise and a small school UDFA. Let them fight it out in camp and the preseason and keep the best 3.

Whatever trust I had in Coughlin/Caldwell has waned to a sliver, but it doesn't make me want to jeopardize the rest of my roster by overdrafting QBs. 

There will be a finite number that the Jags can finagle to sign a vet. 
They simply must determine which of the better vets they can acquire for that price in the given market and take him. T
here may not actually be more than one or two options readily available at that price range as the QBs hitting the market that are worth signing will be highly sought after. 

Beyond that - you take whichever rookie you feel the strongest about in the draft - even if you move up to do it. 

After that player is selected, I'd prefer not to take up roster space with another QB. Sign a developmental kid to the PS. 

I'm not wasting more than one pick before the 5th round on a QB when the team has needs elsewhere.  Especially if I've just tied up somewhere between 40-80 million on acquiring a vet stop-gap. 

Multiple rookie QBs in camp aren't going to be evaluated well in their first year and you will likely end up letting one go, or have him poached from your PS before you've really learned what he has to offer.

If we're going to be looking at signing a free agent QB as a placeholder next season, we have to keep in mind that we are projected to be only $8 million under the 2018 salary cap. That all but eliminates us from signing Jimmy G, Drew Brees or Kirk Cousins. I also expect Jay Cutler and Josh McCown to go back into retirement after the season. Alex Smith might get cut after this season, but he's gonna want more than we could pay. That leaves this list of free agent QB's.....

Tyler Bray
Luke McCown
Dan Orlovsky
Geno Smith
Sam Bradford
Drew Stanton
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Derek Anderson
Mark Sanchez
Case Keenum
Brandon Weeden
Ryan Griffin
Matt Moore
Teddy Bridgewater
Kellen Clemons
Joe Webb
Chase Daniel
Austin Davis
T.J. Yates
Matt McGloin
E.J. Manuel
Thaddeus Lewis
Ryan Nassib
Kellen Moore
David Fales
Tom Savage
Scott Tolzien

Of that list, I would consider Tom Savage, Chase Daniel, Austin Davis, Drew Stanton and the loser of the Sam Bradford/Teddy Bridgewater battle in Minnesota (assuming Bridgewater can still play and we can afford either him or Bradford.)

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I'm not a big believer in stashing QB's on the PS. That means they either aren't good enough to stick with a team or they are good enough for another team to snag them. PS QB's are just there to run the drills. I'd rather keep 3 good QB's on the active roster when that is a real position of need, over any other position. If we take a QB early in the draft and another one in the late rounds, we still have plenty of picks to address the O-Line. All of our needs are not gonna get addressed in one draft anyway. We need to prioritize.

(08-30-2017, 10:21 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If we're going to be looking at signing a free agent QB as a placeholder next season, we have to keep in mind that we are projected to be only $8 million under the 2018 salary cap. That all but eliminates us from signing Jimmy G, Drew Brees or Kirk Cousins. I also expect Jay Cutler and Josh McCown to go back into retirement after the season. Alex Smith might get cut after this season, but he's gonna want more than we could pay. That leaves this list of free agent QB's.....

Tyler Bray
Luke McCown
Dan Orlovsky
Geno Smith
Sam Bradford
Drew Stanton
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Derek Anderson
Mark Sanchez
Case Keenum
Brandon Weeden
Ryan Griffin
Matt Moore
Teddy Bridgewater
Kellen Clemons
Joe Webb
Chase Daniel
Austin Davis
T.J. Yates
Matt McGloin
E.J. Manuel
Thaddeus Lewis
Ryan Nassib
Kellen Moore
David Fales
Tom Savage
Scott Tolzien

Of that list, I would consider Tom Savage, Chase Daniel, Austin Davis, Drew Stanton and the loser of the Sam Bradford/Teddy Bridgewater battle in Minnesota (assuming Bridgewater can still play and we can afford either him or Bradford.)

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I'm not a big believer in stashing QB's on the PS. That means they either aren't good enough to stick with a team or they are good enough for another team to snag them. PS QB's are just there to run the drills. I'd rather keep 3 good QB's on the active roster when that is a real position of need, over any other position. If we take a QB early in the draft and another one in the late rounds, we still have plenty of picks to address the O-Line. All of our needs are not gonna get addressed in one draft anyway. We need to prioritize.

your math doesn't include cap carryover or league wide increase. 
They can cut two dead weight contracts and sign a vet QB to a big contract next year if they want to.