(11-17-2017, 01:37 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 10:08 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles ain't the future. Baker Mayfield is.
You think he will last til the 32nd pick in the first round?
Nope... we'll have to do a Julio Jones style blockbuster trade to go get him in top 10-15, imo. If he slides that far.
(11-17-2017, 11:11 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 10:25 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles may be the near future out of necessity, but he is not this teams longterm future...guaranteed. Not a prototypical Coughlin QB and he seems to be at or near his ceiling.
How can you tell someone is at his near ceiling when they are 25 years old, their INT % has gone down 4 years straight, and he's throwing to Keelan Cole, Jaydon Mickens, and Marcedes Lewis--- maybe the worst weapons in the league?! bahaha you people aren't scouts. Clearly.
I'm sorry Mr. Scout but what have you seen in his career that shows any signs of a higher ceiling? 2015 was arguably his best year, and his numbers have dropped off since to a consistent level of mediocracy regardless of talent around him.
I understand you have an infatuation with him, but damn open your eyes!
(11-17-2017, 11:58 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 11:49 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He really is a great dude and alot of fun when he's on his game. He's tough as nails and think he'll be in the NFL for years and years. I could see him be a Josh McCown type that spots starts for multiple teams and has some success.
I'm still on the boat about the pros and cons of him coming back next year. I wouldn't want to waste another year of this team, windows can close in the space of an offseason. Just depends how we attack the position.
You said you talked to Bortles agent ( you didn't ) and Murray (you didn't ).
I never said those things ever. Not once. Try reading comprehension. Everything I was told was through a third party. Jags were very interested in Latavius through Coughlin talking to his friend George O'Leary. Jags didn't feel comfortable offering him much money coming off an injury. Big deal.
(11-17-2017, 11:53 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]
OK Mrs. Bortles.
I see you just want to argue... so let's argue.
You don't know what will happen in next week, much less in April or May. So your guarantee ain't worth 2 dead flies.
Also... I said the more the season goes on the more I can see Bortles being here and them drafting what I would consider "insurance" in the 2nd or 3rd. We're no so devoid of talent anymore that we'd expect a 2nd or 3rd rounder to necessarily be an immediate starter. We could still address OL or WR or TE in round 1 and 3 (if QB goes round 2).
However... it's still very possible that with Bortles big cap hit and the mounting injuries to OL and WR that we might have to shell out some CAP ched to make those positions fluid or improve... If TC and/or Dave REALLY like Baker or Mason or Rosen... I could see them making that move too.
But I won't guarantee anything... cuz I'm not an idiot.
Bortles is the best QB in the division this year without a #1 WR and with a so/so OL. Go ahead....eat crow.
That's like saying he's the best looking fat chick (sorry fat chicks).
That's like saying he's the cousin you like kissing best...
It's like... it's like....... not that good.
Bortles is was and always will be a "good not great" QB.
Which is fine... as a stop gap... or journeyman... not as a franchise QB.
You move on before you get trapped in a contract he doesn't deserve and causes issues keeping the real talent on the team.
I'll eat crow when Bortles puts this team on his back and wills them to a victory in a game we shouldn't win.
I'll eat crow when/if there is a time to. But it certainly isn't right now.
The team is winning in a multitude of ways. But few of the wins are on what Bortles has done. Granted he's had a couple good games. But he's been dragged to victory by this defense more often than not.
(11-16-2017, 11:02 PM)Jagzfanfromiowa Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sitting here watching the Steelers/Titans and watching Mariota throw 2 first half INTs on his own side of the 50. Luckily for him, his defense has been able to bail him out on both so far. My question is, do you think Titan's fan constantly clamor for a new QB like some of our fans do about Blake?
I'm obviously pro Bortles, and believe that he has taken some steps in the right direction this year. Yes his 2 INTs last week in the 4th were back breakers, but up until that point I thought he played incredibly well. How different would that game have looked last week if Cole catches that long TD, or Mercedes brings in that long catch, or if Marquise doesn't drop that long pass in OT? If either of the first 2 happen, we're not even the position in the 4th where we're throwing the ball and neither one those INTs even happen. I actually have very little doubt that he'll be our starting quarterback next year. I read an article on Jaguars.com today where Hackett is quoted as saying that he believes "Blake has been playing very well, very, very well, this whole year." This shows me that this staff is not only pleased with how Blake has looked this year, but encouraged for the future. If this year continues to play out as it has so far, with the Jaguars making a playoff appearance, than it's safe to say that no one on this staff is going anywhere, unless they are lured away for a promotion. My point in saying this is that if we retain the same staff, offensive anyway, and they are very, very, pleased with the play out of their quarterback, then he is obviously in the future plans for at least this staff. The GM can draft a quarterback all they want too, but it's the coach who decides who plays. I think that some of you who think Blake has no chance of being the quarterback of the future of this team are delusional. I've put a link to the article with Hackett gushing about Blake. Just my 2 cents. Go Jags!
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Jagu...7d33bbf40e
I believe the Jags will attempt to do the same thing they intended to do with Bortles, which is to draft a QB they believe to be "THE GUY" (if there is one in the draft) and have him sit, practice and learn for a year before starting...That didn't work out with Bortles, but it was the plan...
They very well could bring in a FA QB, but I think they will also look at youth...If they bring in a FA QB, they won't have as many years with him as they will with a rookie, plus a FA will be more money than they will have to pay instead of a rookie contract which will help with the salary cap...I know we aren't in trouble with the cap and there is lots of room left, but the more they save on cap hits, the more core players we can keep in the future...
With a good running game and stout defense, Bortles is good enough to win with even if he is just a game manager...
He won't be our starter come next year. So this is all a mute point.
(11-17-2017, 02:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 02:12 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]He won't be our starter come next year. So this is all a mute point.
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Not a fan of cows. So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point. I'm lactose intolerant.
Name these great franchise qbs in the league it's 31 other teams so this should be a really long list since almost every fan base wants Brady Rodgers or brees.
(11-17-2017, 12:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]That's. A. Mic. Drop.
Once again, Jags fans are the least knowledgeable in the NFL. These are people who actually thought Brandon Allen and Chad Henne were better than Bortles. I'll let message board warriors act like they know what they are talking about once Coughlin, Marrone, Hackett, and Caldwell sign Bortles to a new multi-year deal.
(11-17-2017, 01:44 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 11:11 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] How can you tell someone is at his near ceiling when they are 25 years old, their INT % has gone down 4 years straight, and he's throwing to Keelan Cole, Jaydon Mickens, and Marcedes Lewis--- maybe the worst weapons in the league?! bahaha you people aren't scouts. Clearly.
I'm sorry Mr. Scout but what have you seen in his career that shows any signs of a higher ceiling? 2015 was arguably his best year, and his numbers have dropped off since to a consistent level of mediocracy regardless of talent around him.
I understand you have an infatuation with him, but damn open your eyes!
BORTLES - INT %
2014- 3.6%
2015- 3.0%
2016- 2.6%
2017- 2.5%
Peyton Manning career = 2.7%
Brett Farve career = 3.3%
Eli Manning career = 3.1%
bahahahaha.....his numbers have dropped off? Bortles decision making has gotten better EVERY year. Listen to Hackett's comments.....he's someone who actually understands football. Not you.
(11-17-2017, 02:12 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]He won't be our starter come next year. So this is all a mute point.
How much are you willing to bet? You really think Bortles goes to the Divisional playoffs/AFC championship game and Marrone/Coughlin replace him at age 25? You people are insane.
(11-17-2017, 02:36 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 02:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]
Not a fan of cows. So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point. I'm lactose intolerant.
Oh my God. I think I have cancer.
(11-17-2017, 02:36 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 02:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]
Not a fan of cows. So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point. I'm lactose intolerant.
The correct response to this is:
I could care less.
RELEASE THE DOGS!!!!
(11-17-2017, 03:41 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 02:36 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of cows. So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point. I'm lactose intolerant.
The correct response to this is:
I could care less.
RELEASE THE DOGS!!!!
I'm sure you did it on purpose...
But in case you didn't
couldn't*
I agree with this idea to a point. I think he will be the starter next year but a qb will drafted in the late first round under the guise of needing a back up (Henne will be gone) as well as a developmental guy and the value was to great blah blah blah. As long as this team continues to win, he will buy himself more time to try and develop. With that said you would be crazy to think this team would get caught again without some sort of back up plan in case he implodes and starts costing us games. If he gets better then the qb we drafted becomes trade bait. If not we’re moving on.
(11-17-2017, 03:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 03:41 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]The correct response to this is:
I could care less.
RELEASE THE DOGS!!!!
I'm sure you did it on purpose...
But in case you didn't
couldn't*
I see what you did their...
(11-17-2017, 03:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 03:41 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]The correct response to this is:
I could care less.
RELEASE THE DOGS!!!!
I'm sure you did it on purpose...
But in case you didn't
couldn't*
Ha! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist!
It's one of my pet peeves too. I'll straight up stop someone from talking and explain why it's incorrect. No one likes me. haha
(11-17-2017, 02:49 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 12:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]That's. A. Mic. Drop.
Once again, Jags fans are the least knowledgeable in the NFL. These are people who actually thought Brandon Allen and Chad Henne were better than Bortles. I'll let message board warriors act like they know what they are talking about once Coughlin, Marrone, Hackett, and Caldwell sign Bortles to a new multi-year deal.
(11-17-2017, 01:44 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry Mr. Scout but what have you seen in his career that shows any signs of a higher ceiling? 2015 was arguably his best year, and his numbers have dropped off since to a consistent level of mediocracy regardless of talent around him.
I understand you have an infatuation with him, but damn open your eyes!
BORTLES - INT %
2014- 3.6%
2015- 3.0%
2016- 2.6%
2017- 2.5%
Peyton Manning career = 2.7%
Brett Farve career = 3.3%
Eli Manning career = 3.1%
bahahahaha.....his numbers have dropped off? Bortles decision making has gotten better EVERY year. Listen to Hackett's comments.....he's someone who actually understands football. Not you.
How about Comp %... looks pretty consistent in the mediocracy category to me.
2015- 58.6%
2016- 58.9%
2017 (so far)- 58.6%
(11-17-2017, 03:48 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 03:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure you did it on purpose...
But in case you didn't
couldn't*
I see what you did their...
You are killin me Rico. My OCD is goin off! lol
(11-17-2017, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 03:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure you did it on purpose...
But in case you didn't
couldn't*
Ha! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist!
It's one of my pet peeves too. I'll straight up stop someone from talking and explain why it's incorrect. No one likes me. haha
I'm a grammar nazi with OCD (OCD only applies to grammar and spelling however haha). I can't help it. I really don't wanna be [BLEEP] even though everyone comes off that way when correcting grammar and such
(11-17-2017, 04:11 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 03:48 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]I see what you did their...
You are killin me Rico. My OCD is goin off! lol
(11-17-2017, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Ha! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist!
It's one of my pet peeves too. I'll straight up stop someone from talking and explain why it's incorrect. No one likes me. haha
I'm a grammar nazi with OCD (OCD only applies to grammar and spelling however haha). I can't help it. I really don't wanna be [BLEEP] even though everyone comes off that way when correcting grammar and such
Don't beat yourself up too much. Your punctuation sucks.