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(11-17-2017, 04:20 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 04:11 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]You are killin me Rico. My OCD is goin off! lol


I'm a grammar nazi with OCD (OCD only applies to grammar and spelling however haha). I can't help it. I really don't wanna be [BLEEP] even though everyone comes off that way when correcting grammar and such

Don't beat yourself up too much.  Your punctuation sucks.

Really?
I suppose I missed A period.

(11-17-2017, 02:49 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 12:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]That's. A. Mic. Drop.

   Once again, Jags fans are the least knowledgeable in the NFL. These are people who actually thought Brandon Allen and Chad Henne were better than Bortles. I'll let message board warriors act like they know what they are talking about once Coughlin, Marrone, Hackett, and Caldwell sign Bortles to a new multi-year deal.

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(11-17-2017, 01:44 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry Mr. Scout but what have you seen in his career that shows any signs of a higher ceiling? 2015 was arguably his best year, and his numbers have dropped off since to a consistent level of mediocracy regardless of talent around him. 

I understand you have an infatuation with him, but damn open your eyes!

 BORTLES - INT %

 2014- 3.6%
 2015- 3.0%
 2016- 2.6%
 2017- 2.5%

 Peyton Manning career = 2.7%
 Brett Farve career = 3.3%
 Eli Manning career = 3.1%

 
  bahahahaha.....his numbers have dropped off? Bortles decision making has gotten better EVERY year. Listen to Hackett's comments.....he's someone who actually understands football. Not you.

Lets make sure to compare fairly. You left out some of the most important QB stats.

Completion percentage
Blake = 58.8% (Has never cracked 60)
Peyton = 65.3%
Brett = 62%
Eli = 59.9% (Worst of the ones u compered but several years above 60)

Passer Rating
Blake = 81.8%
Peyton = 96.5%
Brett = 86%
Eli = 88.6%

Completion percentage is probably the most telling because he's been right at 58% for 4 years straight. Comparing him to someone from his own class with almost as many starts

Derek Carr 61.5 completion percentage and 88.4 passer rating.

(11-17-2017, 02:47 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]Name these great franchise qbs in the league it's 31 other teams so this should be a really long list since almost every fan base wants Brady Rodgers or brees.

Sure Watson or Newton.  Taylor and Cousins and Prescott.

(11-17-2017, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 03:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure you did it on purpose...

But in case you didn't

couldn't*

Ha! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist!

It's one of my pet peeves too. I'll straight up stop someone from talking and explain why it's incorrect. No one likes me. haha

Well since drive nuts.  Must B another mute Pont. If NoT C u on utter side.

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(11-17-2017, 02:55 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 02:12 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]He won't be our starter come next year.  So this is all a mute point.

  

 How much are you willing to bet? You really think Bortles goes to the Divisional playoffs/AFC championship game and Marrone/Coughlin replace him at age 25? You people are insane.

Yes I can put money on it.  Can you?

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(11-17-2017, 03:41 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 02:36 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of cows.  So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point.  I'm lactose intolerant.

The correct response to this is:

I could care less.

RELEASE THE DOGS!!!!

Naww dawg that B too Geezy. 

Nah dawg that be too Easy.

(11-17-2017, 03:19 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 02:36 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of cows.  So will say it my way. Ya can stick with ya Mooo (Cow) point.  I'm lactose intolerant.

Jdub... is that you?

Nope I bleed Teal have since 95.  And only Teal not orange, cheese head, and teal.

Each year this team is going to have a different personality, or chemistry, and personnel.
I'm going to enjoy this year.  With the team we have.  With the QB we have.
Bortles is a middle of the pack, serviceable NFL QB.  The way this team is comprised, that's all this team needs to be successful.
BB is not the long-term solution, but he can provide us a stop-gap, an incumbent, while we look for the right FA to sign or a developmental QB in the draft.  I like him for this year.

After reading this thread, there's really only one conclusion to be drawn and that is that there really is no hope for humanity.

(11-17-2017, 04:54 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]After reading this thread, there's really only one conclusion to be drawn and that is that there really is no hope for humanity.

All hope is gone.  Great Slipknot song.

(11-17-2017, 02:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 02:12 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]He won't be our starter come next year.  So this is all a mute point.

Hahahaha, never change TTR.

re figure his completion percentage taking away all the drops by receivers cause they cant catch. It is not all bb5 it is other players as well that has his numbers down.

(11-17-2017, 11:19 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 10:36 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Baker Mayfield will be long gone by the time we pick.

Nah, He's listed at 6-1 and will probably measure at the combine 6'.  He'll be in the 2nd round are lower.

That argument doesn't fly anymore. Drew Brees is 6' 1/4" and he's a multiple pro-bowler. Russell Wilson is 5'11" and he's considered one of the top QB's in the NFL as well. Baker Mayfield is also a better scrambler than both of those guys and has proven via the play action pass that he can scan the field quickly and find his receivers behind massive O-Linemen. Heck, his LT Orlando Brown is something like 6'8" 345 lbs. The height thing is a non-issue at this point.

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(11-17-2017, 04:57 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 04:54 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]After reading this thread, there's really only one conclusion to be drawn and that is that there really is no hope for humanity.

All hope is gone.  Great Slipknot song.

Slipknot rules.

(11-17-2017, 06:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 11:19 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, He's listed at 6-1 and will probably measure at the combine 6'.  He'll be in the 2nd round are lower.

That argument doesn't fly anymore. Drew Brees is 6' 1/4" and he's a multiple pro-bowler. Russell Wilson is 5'11" and he's considered one of the top QB's in the NFL as well. Baker Mayfield is also a better scrambler than both of those guys and has proven via the play action pass that he can scan the field quickly and find his receivers behind massive O-Linemen. Heck, his LT Orlando Brown is something like 6'8" 345 lbs. The height thing is a non-issue at this point.

Prepare yourself now for him going no earlier than late 1st round and that's if he wows everyone.  You picked out the two exceptions to the QB height being highly correlative to success general rule in the pros.  Not to say that all guys 6'2" and above will have success, but teams aren't risking a top 10 or top 20 pick on a guy his size at QB.  Both of those guys you're trying to use weren't picked in the 1st round either and were worth the risk where they were picked.  I think the only way he might get picked in the 1st round is if it's by the Browns and I can totally picture him in a Browns uni so I wouldn't discount that possibility, but them picking him there doesn't automatically lend itself to anyone else having him ranked as highly.
Full disclosure: The little bit I've watched of Mayfield leads me to believe that he's one of those great college QBs that will struggle mightily at the next level regardless of his height issue.

(11-17-2017, 02:07 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Jags will attempt to do the same thing they intended to do with Bortles, which is to draft a QB they believe to be "THE GUY" (if there is one in the draft) and have him sit, practice and learn for a year before starting...That didn't work out with Bortles, but it was the plan...

They very well could bring in a FA QB, but I think they will also look at youth...If they bring in a FA QB, they won't have as many years with him as they will with a rookie, plus a FA will be more money than they will have to pay instead of a rookie contract which will help with the salary cap...I know we aren't in trouble with the cap and there is lots of room left, but the more they save on cap hits, the more core players we can keep in the future...

With a good running game and stout defense, Bortles is good enough to win with even if he is just a game manager...

^^ This. ^^

When he was drafted many compared him to Ben Rothlisberger which is kind of close.  He has worse numbers than Ben did in his first 4 years, but numbers alone don't tell the whole story.

As wrong_box said, the initial plan was for Bortles to sit and learn for at least a season.  Unfortunately, the team at the time was struggling and ended up throwing him in way before he was ready.

If I had to guess, I would think that Bortles probably gets signed to some kind of deal (perhaps 3 years?) and the team drafts a development QB with the idea that he will sit and learn.  I don't think Henne will be back as the backup, and I doubt that the team would gamble on a rookie being the primary backup so if ANY free agent QB is brought in it's going to be someone cheap.

The bottom line is Bortles will never be a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, etc.  He's more along the lines of Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, etc.  He's good enough to be a starting QB, but is by no means a "star QB".  It is what it is.

(11-17-2017, 06:43 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 06:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That argument doesn't fly anymore. Drew Brees is 6' 1/4" and he's a multiple pro-bowler. Russell Wilson is 5'11" and he's considered one of the top QB's in the NFL as well. Baker Mayfield is also a better scrambler than both of those guys and has proven via the play action pass that he can scan the field quickly and find his receivers behind massive O-Linemen. Heck, his LT Orlando Brown is something like 6'8" 345 lbs. The height thing is a non-issue at this point.

Prepare yourself now for him going no earlier than late 1st round and that's if he wows everyone.  You picked out the two exceptions to the QB height being highly correlative to success general rule in the pros.  Not to say that all guys 6'2" and above will have success, but teams aren't risking a top 10 or top 20 pick on a guy his size at QB.  Both of those guys you're trying to use weren't picked in the 1st round either and were worth the risk where they were picked.  I think the only way he might get picked in the 1st round is if it's by the Browns and I can totally picture him in a Browns uni so I wouldn't discount that possibility, but them picking him there doesn't automatically lend itself to anyone else having him ranked as highly.
Full disclosure: The little bit I've watched of Mayfield leads me to believe that he's one of those great college QBs that will struggle mightily at the next level regardless of his height issue.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. I normally hate shorter QB's, but Mayfield is different. He has great touch, a strong enough arm and excellent accuracy and leadership skills.

@Jagzfanfromiowa

(11-17-2017, 07:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 06:43 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The little bit I've watched of Mayfield leads me to believe that he's one of those great college QBs that will struggle mightily at the next level regardless of his height issue.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. I normally hate shorter QB's, but Mayfield is different. He has great touch, a strong enough arm and excellent accuracy and leadership skills.

I'm typically a stringent stickler about QB measurables - but I find myself liking Mayfield as a prospect more and more. 

It will be interesting to see his combine measurables compared to Brunell's.

Whoeeee Nelly His measurable compared to Brunell?

(11-17-2017, 04:29 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 02:47 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]Name these great franchise qbs in the league it's 31 other teams so this should be a really long list since almost every fan base wants Brady Rodgers or brees.

Sure Watson or Newton.  Taylor and Cousins and Prescott.

Did you seriously just state Taylor is a franchise QB?! For who? Winnipeg?!

(11-17-2017, 11:43 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 11:40 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Actually feel much more confident we will now, thank you.

   Why is that? I've been right about Bortles the entire time; along with being right about the scoring defense/coaching being the Jags #1 problem. I told you the past 4 seasons, the Jags were the #26-#32 scoring defense. This year we are #1 and now threatening for the #1 seed in the AFC. 

 One day you will get a clue.

Lavar Ball, is that you?

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(11-17-2017, 10:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2017, 07:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't possibly disagree more. I normally hate shorter QB's, but Mayfield is different. He has great touch, a strong enough arm and excellent accuracy and leadership skills.

I'm typically a stringent stickler about QB measurables - but I find myself liking Mayfield as a prospect more and more. 

It will be interesting to see his combine measurables compared to Brunell's.

When i jumped on the Mayfield wagon last year, I compared him exactly to Mark Brunell.

I'll say this for Bortles... I've been a Jags fan for literally half my life (I'm 30.) I missed out on the Brunell era, so he's the only QB we've had in 15 years that can make the passing attack fun to watch. My time as a fan has been Leftwich, Garrard, Gabbert, Henne. So there's that.