(11-18-2017, 01:26 AM)Unusual Creature Wrote: [ -> ]I'll say this for Bortles... I've been a Jags fan for literally half my life (I'm 30.) I missed out on the Brunell era, so he's the only QB we've had in 15 years that can make the passing attack fun to watch. My time as a fan has been Leftwich, Garrard, Gabbert, Henne. So there's that.
You poor, poor child. I'll say this. Brunell was no John Elway or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he was the best QB this franchise has ever seen. We have yet to see a truly great QB wear a Jaguars jersey. Hopefully that will change in 2018.
(11-18-2017, 02:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2017, 01:26 AM)Unusual Creature Wrote: [ -> ]I'll say this for Bortles... I've been a Jags fan for literally half my life (I'm 30.) I missed out on the Brunell era, so he's the only QB we've had in 15 years that can make the passing attack fun to watch. My time as a fan has been Leftwich, Garrard, Gabbert, Henne. So there's that.
You poor, poor child. I'll say this. Brunell was no John Elway or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he was the best QB this franchise has ever seen. We have yet to see a truly great QB wear a Jaguars jersey. Hopefully that will change in 2018.
Maybe not great in the historical sense but Brunell was a very good QB in his own right. The one statistical knock against him would be TD passes over the course of his career but we had such a great scoring running offense in those days it's no surprise.
Bortles isn't a great QB... but I just think that I would rather draft more help at OL/WR/TE rather than a rookie QB. We are in win now mode and I just think the odds of drafting a rookie QB that can take us to the super bowl is smaller than the odds of drafting another 1st round piece of the puzzle.
(11-18-2017, 12:16 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 04:29 PM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Sure Watson or Newton. Taylor and Cousins and Prescott.
Did you seriously just state Taylor is a franchise QB?! For who? Winnipeg?!
At the end of the day. All that matters is points. You win or lose by who scores the most. His TD to INT percentage is off the charts. The bills are a mess. Sad but true.
(11-18-2017, 10:47 AM)brianmsbc Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles isn't a great QB... but I just think that I would rather draft more help at OL/WR/TE rather than a rookie QB. We are in win now mode and I just think the odds of drafting a rookie QB that can take us to the super bowl is smaller than the odds of drafting another 1st round piece of the puzzle.
So you draft more players who will never reach true potential cause scared to take another QB?
I am no genius but that sounds silly to me.
(11-18-2017, 10:47 AM)brianmsbc Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles isn't a great QB... but I just think that I would rather draft more help at OL/WR/TE rather than a rookie QB. We are in win now mode and I just think the odds of drafting a rookie QB that can take us to the super bowl is smaller than the odds of drafting another 1st round piece of the puzzle.
Why? We are basically a QB away from being Superbowl contenders. If we re-sign Omameh, we only need to find a replacement for Cann, who is the weakest link on the O-Line. We have pretty decent receivers even without ARob and Lee and there will be some talented small school receivers in the mid rounds of the draft. This is also the deepest TE draft I've seen in years. We could find a very good TE all the way into round 5. Guys I really like (in no particular order) are Mark Andrews, Mike Gesicki, Troy Fumagalli, Dallas Goedert, Jaylen Samuels, Adam Breneman, Cam Serigne, Tyler Conklin, Blake Mack and Christopher Herndon IV. I believe any of these TE's could be a big boost to our passing game, if we get the right QB. I don't see why we can't get our QB in round 1, (even if that means trading up and giving away future draft picks) and still add an OG, TE and WR in the next few rounds. This is our best chance to find a QB of the future. There are 3 guys I believe could take us to the next level (Rudolph, Mayfield and Rosen.) I believe we identify which one we want and make a move to go up and get him.
All of this future quarterback is fun and will probably continue until April 26 or 27 when we select a q.b. in the draft. I would be surprised if the Jaguars pay top dollar for any of the free agents who will be available, however other teams will which should enable the Jags to draft someone who will eventually become the team's 1st true legitimate franchise quarterback since Brunell. We have to assume that Cousins, Tyrod Taylor, Bradford/Bridgewater and possibly Alex Smith will be starting elsewhere next season. Since the Jags will be picking very late in the 1st round, we can rule out Darnold (may not even declare), Rosen and Lamar Jackson. It would simply cost way too much to trade up for any of those guys. That leaves us with the following possibilities:
Mason Rudolph
Baker Mayfield
Ryan Finley
Darkhorse candidates: Ferguson, Thorsen, Falk, Stidham
My guess is that even Caldwell and Coughlin will have no idea who will end up being their pick until they see what the teams in front of them do. For the past several drafts, they've only needed a Plan A and Plan B since they picked so early. Thankfully, this will not be the case for 2018. I tend to agree with those who believe the Jaguars will trade up if "their guy" is still on the board somewhere around pick 20. I believe that at least 2 of the top 3 listed above WILL be available at that point. Although the Jags will need to likely give up both their 2108 and 2019 1st round picks, this deal would be a "no-brainer" considering how strong their team is in addition to being relatively young at most key positions. I have NO IDEA which of the potentially available q.b.'s will end up being the most successful in the NFL. They all have weaknesses, but so do Darnold, Rosen and Jackson. The fortunate thing is the Jags don't need to draft the next Elway or Marino to take them over the top. They just need someone who has a "good enough" arm combined with the intangibles which our past several quarterbacks have failed to possess: leadership, good decision-making, takes care of the ball, toughness (Blake does possess this trait) and ability to see the entire field. The Coughlin/Caldwell team so far get an A+ for the players they have acquired. Although q.b.'s are very hard to evaluate, I trust they will keep up the hot streak and find a way to finally bring a winning quarterback to Jacksonville.
This argument is great, and seems to pop up every year around this time as we look forward to our top 5 pick in the draft. Not sure if you guys realize this ( or really care, judging from the posts), but we should be a game up in the division going into week 12. You can all look forward to next year, while I support our current lineup for our first playoff game in 10 years!
There's your mic drop.
(11-17-2017, 07:09 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2017, 02:07 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Jags will attempt to do the same thing they intended to do with Bortles, which is to draft a QB they believe to be "THE GUY" (if there is one in the draft) and have him sit, practice and learn for a year before starting...That didn't work out with Bortles, but it was the plan...
They very well could bring in a FA QB, but I think they will also look at youth...If they bring in a FA QB, they won't have as many years with him as they will with a rookie, plus a FA will be more money than they will have to pay instead of a rookie contract which will help with the salary cap...I know we aren't in trouble with the cap and there is lots of room left, but the more they save on cap hits, the more core players we can keep in the future...
With a good running game and stout defense, Bortles is good enough to win with even if he is just a game manager...
^^ This. ^^
When he was drafted many compared him to Ben Rothlisberger which is kind of close. He has worse numbers than Ben did in his first 4 years, but numbers alone don't tell the whole story.
As wrong_box said, the initial plan was for Bortles to sit and learn for at least a season. Unfortunately, the team at the time was struggling and ended up throwing him in way before he was ready.
If I had to guess, I would think that Bortles probably gets signed to some kind of deal (perhaps 3 years?) and the team drafts a development QB with the idea that he will sit and learn. I don't think Henne will be back as the backup, and I doubt that the team would gamble on a rookie being the primary backup so if ANY free agent QB is brought in it's going to be someone cheap.
The bottom line is Bortles will never be a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, etc. He's more along the lines of Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, etc. He's good enough to be a starting QB, but is by no means a "star QB". It is what it is.
Ahhhhhh. I can breathe again seeing knowledge being used properly.
Yeah draft Josh Rosen in the 1st round, and you'll wish you had Bortles back. Bortles is a champion.
Please Jags: do not draft Milton from UCF and ruin him as a quarterback too. I am going to get band from these boards for speaking the truth. The truth hurts your feelings.
I believe we need to actively pursue an improvement in the draft, however, Blake is plenty good enough to ride out until the new prospect is ready to take over.
With Blake we're always going to have the issue of limiting his reps to prevent arm fatigue. While we're doing a great job of that this year, it may not always be so easy.
You also have to consider that some of the drops assigned to receivers might have been caught if Blake's passes weren't so consistently wobbly. There's a natural wobble that WRs say actually helps them catch the ball, but Blake's wobble is well beyond what they're talking about. It makes his passes tough to catch, and in part you can tell just from how many dropped INTs we see.
I like Blake, but his ceiling is only so high.
(11-18-2017, 11:36 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe we need to actively pursue an improvement in the draft, however, Blake is plenty good enough to ride out until the new prospect is ready to take over.
With Blake we're always going to have the issue of limiting his reps to prevent arm fatigue. While we're doing a great job of that this year, it may not always be so easy.
You also have to consider that some of the drops assigned to receivers might have been caught if Blake's passes weren't so consistently wobbly. There's a natural wobble that WRs say actually helps them catch the ball, but Blake's wobble is well beyond what they're talking about. It makes his passes tough to catch, and in part you can tell just from how many dropped INTs we see.
I like Blake, but his ceiling is only so high.
Blake is awesome, your post is laughable.
You put Phillip Rivers on this team and it's going to the Superbowl.
(11-19-2017, 01:07 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]You put Phillip Rivers on this team and it's going to the Superbowl.
Phillip Rivers 23 on QBR list
Bortles is 17 on QBR list
I GUESS WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL
Bortles >>>>> Rivers
(11-19-2017, 01:21 AM)Ucf_Jag_1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2017, 01:07 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]You put Phillip Rivers on this team and it's going to the Superbowl.
Phillip Rivers 23 on QBR list
Bortles is 17 on QBR list
I GUESS WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL
Bortles >>>>> Rivers
Hmm, do we like QBR now all of the sudden? We've spent the entirety of the stats existence saying it's the worst QB stat ever made.
Baker Mayfield’s main issue isn’t his height IMO (though that is still a concern, and I’m not a ‘must be 6’2’ guy, I LOVED Brees and Wilson in college).
It’s his footwork. It’s gotten slightly better but it’s still wildly inconsistent.
Anyway, go Blake, he’s our guy for this year at the very least. He’s tough as nails, his decision making is getting way better (with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the 4th against the Chargers...yikes), and he still hasn’t had the benefit of working in the same offensive system under the same OC for two years straight yet. Which is a quick way to stunt any young QB’s growth.
He still needs to get better. But I haven’t completely written Blake off yet.
(11-19-2017, 12:32 AM)Ucf_Jag_1 Wrote: [ -> ]Blake is awesome, your post is laughable.
As NFL QBs go I woulnd't quite say "awesome," but I do feel he's serviceable for a couple more seasons until we find and groom the next Carson Wentz to take over.
(11-19-2017, 06:13 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]As NFL QBs go I woulnd't quite say "awesome," but I do feel he's serviceable for a couple more seasons until we find and groom the next Carson Wentz to take over.
We only have a couple more seasons until we lose at least a few of Calais, Malik, Dareus, Church, and Gipson due to age and cap we will have to spend on Yannick/Jack/Ramsey/etc. We really shouldn't be setting on serviceable (at best) for those couple of years. Especially when that serviceable is about to be far more expensive itself.
(11-18-2017, 02:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2017, 01:26 AM)Unusual Creature Wrote: [ -> ]I'll say this for Bortles... I've been a Jags fan for literally half my life (I'm 30.) I missed out on the Brunell era, so he's the only QB we've had in 15 years that can make the passing attack fun to watch. My time as a fan has been Leftwich, Garrard, Gabbert, Henne. So there's that.
You poor, poor child. I'll say this. Brunell was no John Elway or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he was the best QB this franchise has ever seen. We have yet to see a truly great QB wear a Jaguars jersey. Hopefully that will change in 2018.
Not sold on that. Coughlin and those rosters were stacked. Brunell was accurate and didn't make mistakes but he was below average. His CAREER high TDs was 23! He played 193 games and only threw for 184 TDs.
If Bortles had Tom Coughlin, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith, and Keenan McCardell for his 4 seasons......he would have DESTROYED Brunell's numbers. DESTROYED.
Instead he's had Gus Bradley, Toby Gerhart/TJ Yeldon, Allen Robinson and Marquise Lee.
(11-18-2017, 10:54 AM)PTeal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2017, 12:16 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Did you seriously just state Taylor is a franchise QB?! For who? Winnipeg?!
At the end of the day. All that matters is points. You win or lose by who scores the most. His TD to INT percentage is off the charts. The bills are a mess. Sad but true.
Yeah that must be the reason why the Ravens and Bills not don't want him. He can throw a slant pass. That's it. See ya.
(11-19-2017, 11:44 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2017, 02:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You poor, poor child. I'll say this. Brunell was no John Elway or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but he was the best QB this franchise has ever seen. We have yet to see a truly great QB wear a Jaguars jersey. Hopefully that will change in 2018.
Not sold on that. Coughlin and those rosters were stacked. Brunell was accurate and didn't make mistakes but he was below average. His CAREER high TDs was 23! He played 193 games and only threw for 184 TDs.
If Bortles had Tom Coughlin, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith, and Keenan McCardell for his 4 seasons......he would have DESTROYED Brunell's numbers. DESTROYED.
Instead he's had Gus Bradley, Toby Gerhart/TJ Yeldon, Allen Robinson and Marquise Lee.
(11-18-2017, 10:54 AM)PTeal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]At the end of the day. All that matters is points. You win or lose by who scores the most. His TD to INT percentage is off the charts. The bills are a mess. Sad but true.
Yeah that must be the reason why the Ravens and Bills not don't want him. He can throw a slant pass. That's it. See ya.
Look man. Do u want a real answer or a Teal Koolaid one? Taylor is a much better QB. Bills are a train wreck. And the Ravens have Flacco. They will use the draft to groom next QB.
Will Taylor through FA end up a Jag? Highly doubtful just like Cousins. Too much money on market. When can Draft one next year.