(01-25-2018, 02:26 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 10:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I understand both sides of the argument, but we also kicked a long FG where a miss would have resulted in TB getting the ball at mid-field. My point is, it's not like the team doesn't take risks.
Bortles has always excelled in the 2 minute offense and to not even think he could pick up 40 yards with the way we were gashing them in the 1st half is pretty much a huge slap in the face.
There are one of two things going on IMO:
1. Bortles isn't good enough to run the offense Hackett wants to run
2. Hackett isn't a good enough coordinator to call a game plan suited to Bortles' strengths.
#2 seems to be the answer these days.
I think they simply felt momentum had swung to New England and they wanted to get to the locker room knowing they’d get the ball to start the 2nd half.
I thought they should have at least run a play to see if they could get something started, but I think they were concerned that if they did, NE would have started burning timeouts to get one more shot before the half. I did t like the decision, but understood it completely.
I don’t think it had anything to do with Bortles. As far as Hackett is concerned, he had called a good game to that point.
New England only had 1 timeout left. We really should have had 2 running plays called and ran them fairly quickly to see if one of them could have gotten a chunk of yardage and a first down. Even if NE calls time out after a potential 2nd stuffed run play, we could run it again on 3rd or just kneel out the half at that point. With only 1 time out, there was no threat from NE regarding clock stoppages.
(01-25-2018, 03:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2018, 02:26 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I think they simply felt momentum had swung to New England and they wanted to get to the locker room knowing they’d get the ball to start the 2nd half.
I thought they should have at least run a play to see if they could get something started, but I think they were concerned that if they did, NE would have started burning timeouts to get one more shot before the half. I did t like the decision, but understood it completely.
I don’t think it had anything to do with Bortles. As far as Hackett is concerned, he had called a good game to that point.
New England only had 1 timeout left. We really should have had 2 running plays called and ran them fairly quickly to see if one of them could have gotten a chunk of yardage and a first down. Even if NE calls time out after a potential 2nd stuffed run play, we could run it again on 3rd or just kneel out the half at that point. With only 1 time out, there was no threat from NE regarding clock stoppages.
Essentially my thought on it as well.
If the Jaguars didn't want to be risky they could have still run a play. It was the taking of the knee and precluding any possibility of success that was galling.
Were it me I'd have probably done something like lining up in five wide with Grant split out wide to disguise it and then bring him in and run a draw against a pass defense and seen how it goes.
Sure it risks an unlikely fumble, but it seems to me that you have to try to win on every down, and the Jaguars showed they weren't doing that at the end of the first half, and it showed in a major way the rest of the game.
People are all over the place. We knelt because we didn't have any confidence in Bortles, even though the suggestion is to call 2 running plays and see what happens. Presumably his handoff skills are fine. Also they showed confidence in him all throughout the half and the previous game, but all of the sudden they don't. I think it was more about just getting hosed by the refs on the Pats last touchdown and wanting to get in, regroup, and come out and score with getting the ball first. Which they did. Calling 2 running plays probably doesn't put any points on the board either.
I think you all need to get to a point where you can move on. They did what they did. People need to accept it and move on, hope for better success in the future.
(01-21-2018, 11:39 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I didn’t love it but it hardly set a tone for the 2nd half
I think it did set the tone...we all know you have to keep the foot on the gas. Especially against the Patriots. We sacrificed a possession for no reason.
(01-26-2018, 12:00 PM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2018, 11:39 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I didn’t love it but it hardly set a tone for the 2nd half
I think it did set the tone...we all know you have to keep the foot on the gas. Especially against the Patriots. We sacrificed a possession for no reason.
I was driving to Connecticut today and was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius XM. One of the callers asked what to do about Bortles because it's was clear to most of us that Marrone was worried that he would make a huge mistake. Pat Kerwin (a former GM) said that he would cut Blake, but offer him a non-guaranteed 2 year contract at $10M/yr. He would also try to trade and sign Alex Smith. While Smith isn't a top 10 QB, you guys probably win last week if he were your QB.
(01-26-2018, 09:38 PM)ricko1112 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2018, 12:00 PM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it did set the tone...we all know you have to keep the foot on the gas. Especially against the Patriots. We sacrificed a possession for no reason.
I was driving to Connecticut today and was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius XM. One of the callers asked what to do about Bortles because it's was clear to most of us that Marrone was worried that he would make a huge mistake. Pat Kerwin (a former GM) said that he would cut Blake, but offer him a non-guaranteed 2 year contract at $10M/yr. He would also try to trade and sign Alex Smith. While Smith isn't a top 10 QB, you guys probably win last week if he were your QB.
With the same guy who put up 0 points in the second half against the Titans at home in the WC game and blew a 21-3 halftime lead? I wouldn't bet on that.
(01-27-2018, 12:18 AM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2018, 09:38 PM)ricko1112 Wrote: [ -> ]I was driving to Connecticut today and was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius XM. One of the callers asked what to do about Bortles because it's was clear to most of us that Marrone was worried that he would make a huge mistake. Pat Kerwin (a former GM) said that he would cut Blake, but offer him a non-guaranteed 2 year contract at $10M/yr. He would also try to trade and sign Alex Smith. While Smith isn't a top 10 QB, you guys probably win last week if he were your QB.
With the same guy who put up 0 points in the second half against the Titans at home in the WC game and blew a 21-3 halftime lead? I wouldn't bet on that.
I certainly see and understand where you're coming from and I'm no Smith fan by any means. I don't have Bortles' 2nd half stats, but it seemed like the Jags were playing not to lose. Run on 1st down. Run on 2nd down. Incomplete pass on 3rd and 8. That was the formula. Still, Smith would have been trusted to lead the team. He's much more efficient. You guys really need to look for another option.
BTW, Blake rushed twice for either 2 or -2 yards (I don't remember). He's a better runner than a passer. Why do think he didn't run more? Looked like he had some lanes...
I'll just add this---- Bortles had done nothing to pose a lack of confidence in that half. He was basically locked in.
We were playing with house money. No one expected us there. This decision is all on the coaches, and frankly I agreed with it, regardless of who was playing QB there. We were getting the ball next half, anything can happen, from a fumble to a tipped ball.
Regardless, that decision is all on the coaches, Bortles can't do anything more to inspire confidence than what he did in the 1st half.
(01-25-2018, 04:24 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2018, 03:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]New England only had 1 timeout left. We really should have had 2 running plays called and ran them fairly quickly to see if one of them could have gotten a chunk of yardage and a first down. Even if NE calls time out after a potential 2nd stuffed run play, we could run it again on 3rd or just kneel out the half at that point. With only 1 time out, there was no threat from NE regarding clock stoppages.
Sure it risks an unlikely fumble, but it seems to me that you have to try to win on every down, and the Jaguars showed they weren't doing that at the end of the first half, and it showed in a major way the rest of the game.
I think this sums it up. To beat the Patriots, you have to make every possession count. We didn't even try.
(01-22-2018, 12:08 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't matter. The Refs would still find a way to hand us a loss. "Flag on the playf! Jacksonville has too big of a lead over the Patriots, 99 yard penalty. First down, Patriots Ball."
Agreed. Our wrs were being held the whole 2nd half with no flags thrown. Conservative play calling wouldnt have hurt as bad if we got a couple of those calls and kept brady off the field. The league is hurting for ratings during a time with the Greatest QB of all time in his last years... They will do whatever it takes to help the Pats right now
(01-26-2018, 09:38 PM)ricko1112 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2018, 12:00 PM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it did set the tone...we all know you have to keep the foot on the gas. Especially against the Patriots. We sacrificed a possession for no reason.
I was driving to Connecticut today and was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius XM. One of the callers asked what to do about Bortles because it's was clear to most of us that Marrone was worried that he would make a huge mistake. Pat Kerwin (a former GM) said that he would cut Blake, but offer him a non-guaranteed 2 year contract at $10M/yr. He would also try to trade and sign Alex Smith. While Smith isn't a top 10 QB, you guys probably win last week if he were your QB.
Other than have an amazing 1st half, what had 5 done to cause a lack of confidence? There are safe throws that could be made.
If in fact, it had to do with a lack of confidence in 5, it isn't on him, he did nothing to warrant that in the post season.
(01-28-2018, 02:11 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (01-26-2018, 09:38 PM)ricko1112 Wrote: [ -> ]I was driving to Connecticut today and was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius XM. One of the callers asked what to do about Bortles because it's was clear to most of us that Marrone was worried that he would make a huge mistake. Pat Kerwin (a former GM) said that he would cut Blake, but offer him a non-guaranteed 2 year contract at $10M/yr. He would also try to trade and sign Alex Smith. While Smith isn't a top 10 QB, you guys probably win last week if he were your QB.
Other than have an amazing 1st half, what had 5 done to cause a lack of confidence? There are safe throws that could be made.
If in fact, it had to do with a lack of confidence in 5, it isn't on him, he did nothing to warrant that in the post season.
I can see both sides of this issue. There is an argument to made both ways.
One point that hasn't been made (I think) involves the way that Marrone/Hackett have edited out a number of throws from Blake's "arsenal." They both talk often about using what he does well and eliminating the other stuff.
Well... lot's of that other stuff includes things like out-routes and other near-the-sideline passes that don't require time to develop. They've eliminated those things because he has legitimately struggled with them. In fact a few of his pick sixes came that way. However - these are the types of passes you'd like to be able to execute well in a situation like :55 seconds before the half and the ball on your side of mid-field.
I am more inclined to think that Marrone and probably Hackett did feel at least some degree of discomfort with the potential of a turnover in that situation and it's at least
part of the reason they took the knee.
I don't like it. I think they should have tried to drive for a long FG at the very least. Even if it meant calling a screen pass and a couple of run plays.