(03-17-2018, 08:48 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 06:42 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming we can take him at his word, “We have a plan” and “when it’s time to reveal the plan...” appear to suggest he has something very specific in mind.
And something he expects to happen.
My first thought was this might suggest a trade is being discussed, because if it was a move to sign one of the remaining free agents, wouldn’t it have happened by now?
And any plan to pick a late-round QB would be far from guaranteed, because he couldn’t be certain is target was available.
The other possibility (as has been discussed) is he is planning a move up in the draft. But it would have to be a big jump up the board if he’s looking to get someone other than Rudolph or Jackson. And I’m not sure we have the ability to do that without giving up our ability to replace our expensive veterans like Campbell, Jackson and Dareus.
So if it IS a trade, who are the options?
If we were to trade up with our 2nd round pick we would likely net the 17th pick. At that spot, we might be able to get Calvin Ridley, Mike McGlinchy, Roquan Smith or Dallas Goedert.
All worth considering.
But we’re not going to get a top QB there.
Maybe Jackson.
(03-17-2018, 09:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 05:37 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Why are you more enamored with White than Lauletta?
Technique.
I think he'd take less work to fix.
His footwork in his dropback through to his release is superior and consistent. He stands taller at the point of release and gets the ball out higher where it won't be easily batted.
Sounds logical. Where will Lauletta be drafted? Who’s his NFL comparison or ceiling?
(03-17-2018, 11:02 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2018, 02:47 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If I am not mistaken, offset language only applies to salaries and not bonus money.
FWIW, I asked Andrew Brandt this question on twitter and he says offsets cover both salaries and bonus money on any new deal.
It's a 1 year deal if the Jags choose to treat it that way.
That clears things up then.
(03-17-2018, 12:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 08:40 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]I watch a lot of Wyoming games. As for why you draft Josh Allen, I can count the number of QBs I've seen over the past fifty years with a comparable arm with seven fingers. Doug Williams, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Jeff George, Terry Bradshaw, and Johnny Unitas.
Josh Allen's elite arm strength makes him a Super Bowl contending quarterback automatically. He will need some grooming to learn a pro system and how to make plays within such a system. A team may decide that he is too valuable to bench and want to teach him on the fly.
Seriously?
You clearly never actually watched those players. Jeff George and Terry Bradshaw had elite arm strength. Kelly, Favre, Marino, and Unitas didn't. I'm not sure about Doug Williams.
There have been plenty of QBs with elite arm strength who have failed in the NFL. Once a QB's arm strength is sufficient, then any more is immaterial.
Or am I missing something? Was your post sarcasm?
Jim Kelly had one of the best deep balls in the business. That takes arm strength. Brett Favre broke a lot of fingers. Dan Marino threw the ball with great velocity and he featured a wickedly quick release.
Add Bert Jones, Elway, Stafford, and Randall Cunningham to the list, as well. QBs like Johnny Unitas and Troy Aikman never really are noted for their arm strength because their accuracy dominated the conversations about them. It's called the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, BTW.
I personally watched Doug Williams a lot in 1979. Tampa Bay was typically a territorial game. If I recall it right, CBS Sports carried all NFC games and NBC aired all AFC games. CBS made a lot of Redskins' fans mad. Prior to the 1976 expansion, Washington was the predominant territorial franchise. Was for a lot of the south. They lost fans in Georgia when the Falcons entered the league, but to this day, Washington still has a following in the deep south despite Carolina, Jacksonville and Atlanta.
Williams played for both. Never know. He might have ended up in Washington cuz so many Redskins fans knew everything there was to know about him.
Doug could throw a forty-yard pass to a crossing receiver with zero arc on it. The thing traveled 40 yards in the air, never higher than eye level.
The QBs with elite arm strength that didn't make it in the NFL didn't wash out due to elite arm strength. They fail for many other reasons, but I suppose a few never managed to discontinue bouncing fastballs off of their intended targets.
(03-17-2018, 12:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 08:40 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]I watch a lot of Wyoming games. As for why you draft Josh Allen, I can count the number of QBs I've seen over the past fifty years with a comparable arm with seven fingers. Doug Williams, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Jeff George, Terry Bradshaw, and Johnny Unitas.
Josh Allen's elite arm strength makes him a Super Bowl contending quarterback automatically. He will need some grooming to learn a pro system and how to make plays within such a system. A team may decide that he is too valuable to bench and want to teach him on the fly.
Seriously?
You clearly never actually watched those players. Jeff George and Terry Bradshaw had elite arm strength. Kelly, Favre, Marino, and Unitas didn't. I'm not sure about Doug Williams.
There have been plenty of QBs with elite arm strength who have failed in the NFL. Once a QB's arm strength is sufficient, then any more is immaterial.
Or am I missing something? Was your post sarcasm?
I would put Favre in the elite arm strength category. But I am most curious as to how Elway escaped both of your lists. Have you guys ever heard of the "Elway cross?" Elway was the first NFL QB (Non video game) I saw that could roll to his left and throw back deep to his right and get away with it because his arm was so strong. His combination of arm strength size and mobility are what made him the highest rated prospect of all time.
(03-18-2018, 06:24 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 05:32 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Brett Favre broke a lot of fingers.
Favre had one of the strongest arms. I still remember one of his passes breaking his TE's finger, and he could fling that ball deep.
Mooch said Brett threw passes so hard with such arm strength that he split one of his receiver's hands in half between the fingers. They had to stitch it up and he had to wear a club bandage over his hand.
(03-18-2018, 06:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 12:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously?
You clearly never actually watched those players. Jeff George and Terry Bradshaw had elite arm strength. Kelly, Favre, Marino, and Unitas didn't. I'm not sure about Doug Williams.
There have been plenty of QBs with elite arm strength who have failed in the NFL. Once a QB's arm strength is sufficient, then any more is immaterial.
Or am I missing something? Was your post sarcasm?
I would put Favre in the elite arm strength category. But I am most curious as to how Elway escaped both of your lists. Have you guys ever heard of the "Elway cross?" Elway was the first NFL QB (Non video game) I saw that could roll to his left and throw back deep to his right and get away with it because his arm was so strong. His combination of arm strength size and mobility are what made him the highest rated prospect of all time.
I did a follow up post which does mention John Elway.
Modern cannon arms? Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Derek Carr.
(03-18-2018, 07:37 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 06:24 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Favre had one of the strongest arms. I still remember one of his passes breaking his TE's finger, and he could fling that ball deep.
Mooch said Brett threw passes so hard with such arm strength that he split one of his receiver's hands in half between the fingers. They had to stitch it up and he had to wear a club bandage over his hand.
Lots of Favre stories out there. I remember reading that a lot the receivers from his Superbowl teams couldn’t wear their rings because their fingers are swollen / broken.
(03-17-2018, 08:40 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen's elite arm strength makes him a Super Bowl contending quarterback automatically.
This may not be the most ridiculous statement ever made on this board, but it probably ranks in the Top Ten all-time.
My brother worked with a guy who spent a training camp with the Dolphins years ago. He talked about the broken fingers if you didn't catch Marino's passes correctly and the intimidation factor of hearing the ball hiss through the air as it approached.
(03-18-2018, 10:08 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 08:40 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen's elite arm strength makes him a Super Bowl contending quarterback automatically.
This may not be the most ridiculous statement ever made on this board, but it probably ranks in the Top Ten all-time.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that air concedes resistance is futile.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that the laws of physics become merely suggestions.
(03-18-2018, 11:01 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 10:08 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]This may not be the most ridiculous statement ever made on this board, but it probably ranks in the Top Ten all-time.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that air concedes resistance is futile.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that the laws of physics become merely suggestions.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that the nazis tried to weaponize it.
(03-18-2018, 08:22 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 06:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I would put Favre in the elite arm strength category. But I am most curious as to how Elway escaped both of your lists. Have you guys ever heard of the "Elway cross?" Elway was the first NFL QB (Non video game) I saw that could roll to his left and throw back deep to his right and get away with it because his arm was so strong. His combination of arm strength size and mobility are what made him the highest rated prospect of all time.
I did a follow up post which does mention John Elway.
Modern cannon arms? Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Derek Carr.
Tom Savage has a cannon as well, just not much else.
Chuck Norris wears Josh Allen's arm pajamas to bed.
(03-17-2018, 06:15 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 09:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Technique.
I think he'd take less work to fix.
His footwork in his dropback through to his release is superior and consistent. He stands taller at the point of release and gets the ball out higher where it won't be easily batted.
Sounds logical. Where will Lauletta be drafted? Who’s his NFL comparison or ceiling?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/k...id=2559882
Projected 5th rounder. Doesn't have arm strength to become an NFL starter.
Outside the top guys: Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen... Rudolph has a 2-3 round projection. Jackson a 1-2.
Beyond those two it's kind of a horror show at QB. None expected to be NFL starting material, an some may struggle to be a backup.
To me, it's Rudolph or Jackson, or pass entirely. I'd rather an NFL backup/journeyman/retread than a rookie who may struggle to give you even that much.
(03-17-2018, 06:15 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 09:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Technique.
I think he'd take less work to fix.
His footwork in his dropback through to his release is superior and consistent. He stands taller at the point of release and gets the ball out higher where it won't be easily batted.
Sounds logical. Where will Lauletta be drafted? Who’s his NFL comparison or ceiling?
I'd guess he goes somewhere between late third-and early fifth round, but you know it's tough to know which GM might have a soft spot for a particular QB. There are a few outliers every year.
I'd guess Lauletta's ceiling to be somewhere around a Trevor Siemian/AJ McCarron level but I certainly don't claim to be any gifted evaluator of the QB position. I just try to spot some traits and tendencies and go with my gut on how they'll translate in the league.
I've been right - I've been wrong.
All I know is Lauletta crushed it at the Senior Bowl. We have had some decent luck with guys who have played in the Senior Bowl.