(03-19-2018, 04:04 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is Lauletta crushed it at the Senior Bowl. We have had some decent luck with guys who have played in the Senior Bowl.
Like former Jag Brandon Allen? He and Dak Prescott put up similar stats at the senior bowl a few years ago while Carson Wentz looked pretty uninspiring.
How'd that all work out?
While my little armchair analysis is nothing more than just another fan's opinion, I did try to base it on more than just 5 good plays made at the senior bowl.
(the guy I'm touting ahead of Lauletta looked pretty good in that game too - going 8/11 - 128 yards w/ a TD at the senior bowl)
I like Lauletta a lot. He processes very quick. Clean mechanics, quick release. Executes NFL type concepts well. Mobile. One of the best anticipation throwers in the class. All those intangible traits people look for but are boring to discuss too.
I don't think he has the strongest arm by any means but the rest of the package makes up for it. No problem with him in the 2nd.
(03-19-2018, 04:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 04:04 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is Lauletta crushed it at the Senior Bowl. We have had some decent luck with guys who have played in the Senior Bowl.
Like former Jag Brandon Allen? He and Dak Prescott put up similar stats at the senior bowl a few years ago while Carson Wentz looked pretty uninspiring.
How'd that all work out?
While my little armchair analysis is nothing more than just another fan's opinion, I did try to base it on more than just 5 good plays made at the senior bowl.
(the guy I'm touting ahead of Lauletta looked pretty good in that game too - going 8/11 - 128 yards w/ a TD at the senior bowl)
Not saying we have to go with Lauletta but I wouldn't be upset if we did. Honestly I just want to find a guy who can push Blake or even surpass him. I don't care who he is or where he played or how he did in the Senior Bowl. And for the record, I wanted us to find a way to keep Allen last year. I was not happy when he got cut.
I'm also happy with an NFL retread than with wasting a pick before the 6th round.
(03-19-2018, 04:23 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I like Lauletta a lot. He processes very quick. Clean mechanics, quick release. Executes NFL type concepts well. Mobile. One of the best anticipation throwers in the class. All those intangible traits people look for but are boring to discuss too.
I don't think he has the strongest arm by any means but the rest of the package makes up for it. No problem with him in the 2nd.
That reminds me of what people were saying about Nathan Peterman last year, except that he was projected to the 4th round. I read that last year, and I was all over Peterman. "We need to get Peterman! He's the most NFL ready!" NOT
(03-20-2018, 06:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 04:23 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I like Lauletta a lot. He processes very quick. Clean mechanics, quick release. Executes NFL type concepts well. Mobile. One of the best anticipation throwers in the class. All those intangible traits people look for but are boring to discuss too.
I don't think he has the strongest arm by any means but the rest of the package makes up for it. No problem with him in the 2nd.
That reminds me of what people were saying about Nathan Peterman last year, except that he was projected to the 4th round. I read that last year, and I was all over Peterman. "We need to get Peterman! He's the most NFL ready!" NOT
Yeah Peterman was the next Garoppolo before Lauletta was the next Garoppolo.
If Lauletta doesn't have the arm strength to make all the NFL throws, and threw many picks in college because he couldn't drive the ball downfield to the spot - both will only be that much more difficult for him at the NFL level.
This is not the QB to fall in love with. This is not the QB you're looking for.
Folks talk themselves into bad picks every year because they fall in love.
Don't let that be you.
(03-19-2018, 07:19 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 03:12 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/k...id=2559882
Projected 5th rounder. Doesn't have arm strength to become an NFL starter.
Outside the top guys: Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen... Rudolph has a 2-3 round projection. Jackson a 1-2.
Beyond those two it's kind of a horror show at QB. None expected to be NFL starting material, an some may struggle to be a backup.
To me, it's Rudolph or Jackson, or pass entirely. I'd rather an NFL backup/journeyman/retread than a rookie who may struggle to give you even that much.
I feel that Luke Falk can be a starter although it sounds like he'll be there for our third round pick.
He could be there, but I don't share your opinion that he could become a starter.
Maybe, but what kind of starter? NFL.com comps him to Mike Glennon. His knocks are that he takes a lot of sacks, and while he has a quick release he doesn't consistently drive the ball. He may make a decent backup. In the third that may not be a bad selection.
With no one behind Bortles, I feel we need to go for the higher caliber candidates for more assurance. Regardless, having a rookie as a backup we'll also have to pick up a veteran as well. Looks like they aren't going to bid for one, but pick one up off the waiver wire.
(03-18-2018, 11:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 11:01 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen's arm is so strong that air concedes resistance is futile.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that the laws of physics become merely suggestions.
Josh Allen's arm is so strong that the nazis tried to weaponize it.
OK, make that the Top Thirteen.
He has the most interesting arm in the world. Stay thirsty, my friends.
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
First-round spot: 29
» Jaguars' 2018 draft picks | Draft history
Top prospects associated with the Jaguars:
» Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma: Interviews with Jaguars at Combine
» Dante Pettis, WR, Washington: Jaguars interview Pettis at combine
Source -
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-prospects
What would jags have to give up to get Mayfield.
(03-25-2018, 02:45 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
First-round spot: 29
» Jaguars' 2018 draft picks | Draft history
Top prospects associated with the Jaguars:
» Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma: Interviews with Jaguars at Combine
» Dante Pettis, WR, Washington: Jaguars interview Pettis at combine
Source - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-prospects
What would jags have to give up to get Mayfield.
They will have to give up a lot but it won't do it because they like Blake and we'll stick with him for right now.
(03-25-2018, 02:45 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
First-round spot: 29
» Jaguars' 2018 draft picks | Draft history
Top prospects associated with the Jaguars:
» Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma: Interviews with Jaguars at Combine
» Dante Pettis, WR, Washington: Jaguars interview Pettis at combine
Source - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-prospects
What would jags have to give up to get Mayfield.
My understanding is that Mayfield's listed height of 6'1" is being very generous and that he may be closer to 6' 1/2". There's no precedent for a QB of Mayfield's height being drafted high in the 1st round (there's a good reason for that) which leads me to believe he may still be there in the teens and perhaps later. Unfortunately there are QB needy teams picking in the teens as well.
I'm not really a fan of his schtick, but if we were able to acquire him at the back half of the 1st round I think I'd be able to get on board with it. A trade into the mid to late teens shouldn't be back breaking. Last year, KC gave up picks 27 and 91 (1st and 3rd) and this year's 1st which ended up being pick 22 to move from 27 to 10 to get Mahomes. Houston gave up pick 25 last year and this year's 1st which ended up being pick 4 to move from 25 to 12 to get Watson.
If the Jags moved from 29 to let's say 16 or so, I'm guessing it would involve next year's 1st or at the very least this year's 2nd. The Jaguars should be expecting to pick in the 20's again next year so giving up a future 1st shouldn't preclude them from trading up. However, I'm sure the tinhorns weren't expecting to earn the #4 overall pick when they made their trade last year. If Watson is as good as some believe, it was probably still worth it though.
Last thought would be that Mayfield doesn't really seem like a personality that would mesh well on a team where Coughlin is ultimately calling the shots.
(03-25-2018, 06:02 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2018, 02:45 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
First-round spot: 29
» Jaguars' 2018 draft picks | Draft history
Top prospects associated with the Jaguars:
» Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma: Interviews with Jaguars at Combine
» Dante Pettis, WR, Washington: Jaguars interview Pettis at combine
Source - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-prospects
What would jags have to give up to get Mayfield.
My understanding is that Mayfield's listed height of 6'1" is being very generous and that he may be closer to 6' 1/2". There's no precedent for a QB of Mayfield's height being drafted high in the 1st round (there's a good reason for that) which leads me to believe he may still be there in the teens and perhaps later. Unfortunately there are QB needy teams picking in the teens as well.
I'm not really a fan of his schtick, but if we were able to acquire him at the back half of the 1st round I think I'd be able to get on board with it. A trade into the mid to late teens shouldn't be back breaking. Last year, KC gave up picks 27 and 91 (1st and 3rd) and this year's 1st which ended up being pick 22 to move from 27 to 10 to get Mahomes. Houston gave up pick 25 last year and this year's 1st which ended up being pick 4 to move from 25 to 12 to get Watson.
If the Jags moved from 29 to let's say 16 or so, I'm guessing it would involve next year's 1st or at the very least this year's 2nd. The Jaguars should be expecting to pick in the 20's again next year so giving up a future 1st shouldn't preclude them from trading up. However, I'm sure the tinhorns weren't expecting to earn the #4 overall pick when they made their trade last year. If Watson is as good as some believe, it was probably still worth it though.
Last thought would be that Mayfield doesn't really seem like a personality that would mesh well on a team where Coughlin is ultimately calling the shots.
I keep seeing 6' 5/8" for Mayfield when I dig around.
If I recall correctly Brunell was almost dead on 6'1" in his playing days.
(03-25-2018, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2018, 06:02 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]My understanding is that Mayfield's listed height of 6'1" is being very generous and that he may be closer to 6' 1/2".
I keep seeing 6' 5/8" for Mayfield when I dig around.
If I recall correctly Brunell was almost dead on 6'1" in his playing days.
No question that height is an advantage, but......................................Drew Brees is 6'0".
(03-25-2018, 08:11 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2018, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing 6' 5/8" for Mayfield when I dig around.
If I recall correctly Brunell was almost dead on 6'1" in his playing days.
No question that height is an advantage, but......................................Drew Brees is 6'0".
I'm not saying vertically challenged guys can't have success in the league, but QBs under 6'2" that actually have the skill and mental toughness to overcome some of the limitations that their height presents are few and far between. Under 6'1" is going to make it even tougher. All the defensive linemen and linebackers are bigger and faster than the guys they might have been beating in college. Obviously there are currently guys in the league who are short and really good like Brees and Wilson which I guess makes some fans think that height of the QB isn't a big deal any more. If you go back through history though you just won't see really anyone else at their height that's had much of any sustained success. Mayfield is taller than both of those guys, but he's in this height range that really doesn't usually produce a lot of success at the next level so would a team overlook that and select him in the top 10? I have my doubts.
There are enough guys at 6'1" that have had success, but again, how many were taken in the 1st round? Brunell was a 5th rounder. Brees was about as close to being picked in the 1st round as a sub 6'1" guy can get that has actually ended up having success in this league as he was selected 32nd overall which was the 1st pick of the 2nd round that year. Manzier is 6'0" and was selected at pick 22 by the Browns, but I think all bets are off when it comes to conventional wisdom when the Browns are on the clock. It wouldn't shock me if the Browns go Barkley at 1 and come back for a QB at 4 that Mayfield might be the pick there. Anyone else taking him in the top 10 would be a surprise to me though. And again, it's not an indictment on whether he'll be a success or not. There are a lot of factors that go into it, but if you're playing the percentages on height he probably won't be. Do you play that game if you're a team holding a top 10 pick or maybe even top 15 pick? I doubt it.
Beyond that range? It's a lot easier to justify the selection if you miss and a lot more forgivable. I guess the counter argument would be that if you miss on a QB in the 1st round you're probably done anyway as a GM.
(03-25-2018, 08:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] It wouldn't shock me if the Browns go Barkley at 1 and come back for a QB at 4 that Mayfield might be the pick there. Anyone else taking him in the top 10 would be a surprise to me though.
Browns also have #33 and 35 picks. Barkley at 1, Chubb at 4 and then trade back up into the mid to late 1st for a QB?
(03-25-2018, 09:39 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2018, 08:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] It wouldn't shock me if the Browns go Barkley at 1 and come back for a QB at 4 that Mayfield might be the pick there. Anyone else taking him in the top 10 would be a surprise to me though.
Browns also have #33 and 35 picks. Barkley at 1, Chubb at 4 and then trade back up into the mid to late 1st for a QB?
Maybe, but I think they have to take one at 1 or 4 and it will more than likely be at 1.
I just hope they have a legit backup plan at qb maybe bortles sucks alot this year or gets injured even though thats the best part of his game so far.