(07-23-2018, 06:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 06:06 PM)Kotite Wrote: [ -> ](For those who are not members of this forum and browsing as a guest, this thread provides a classic example of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I promise, it is not reflective of the political views or mental state of all Jaguars fans.)
Yes, you're really about the only one with full blown TDS. A few mild cases here and there, but you clearly have the worst case by far.
(07-23-2018, 05:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Can those things be revoked? Say you were just joking and I'll take it back.
So you're saying your Horse Shoe Theory nonsense wasn't legit? Because my example is just about as logical as your Manson Family one. Were you just kidding?
I'm just asking you to take back the one comment that I downvoted, that's all.
Anybody on this board can ask me what I believe.
I don't think you would want anybody on this board telling you what you believe.
and likewise I don't appreciate you telling the whole board what I believe, especially considering you got it wrong.
If you want to flesh my beliefs out more, ask me questions.
Assumptions and accusations are a bad route. They are not civil. We have to be civil with each other if we expect this nation to last beyond our generation as a democratic Republic.
(07-23-2018, 12:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The horseshoe theory is that any political views that is sufficiently different from the current political consensus is, functionally and in the short term, indistinguishable from any other extreme view.
This is because, in the short term, such extremists are focused on destroying the existing centers of power.
Anyone willing to resort to violence, like assassination, to change our political system can fall in this category.
Say what?
(07-23-2018, 12:54 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]The Horse Shoe Theory from my understanding is that the further either side gets away from the center the more they resemble each other.
This is the horseshoe theory I spent my entire educational experience learning about.
(07-23-2018, 07:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 06:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, you're really about the only one with full blown TDS. A few mild cases here and there, but you clearly have the worst case by far.
So you're saying your Horse Shoe Theory nonsense wasn't legit? Because my example is just about as logical as your Manson Family one. Were you just kidding?
I'm just asking you to take back the one comment that I downvoted, that's all.
Anybody on this board can ask me what I believe.
I don't think you would want anybody on this board telling you what you believe.
and likewise I don't appreciate you telling the whole board what I believe, especially considering you got it wrong.
If you want to flesh my beliefs out more, ask me questions.
Assumptions and accusations are a bad route. They are not civil. We have to be civil with each other if we expect this nation to last beyond our generation as a democratic Republic.
It's no assumption to judge your words on their merits using the common definitions. You continually take words and use them as you think they should be not as they are, so you end up with faulty conclusions, like your mistaken use of HSTheory, where you now disagree with my perfectly reasonable example. This puts you at a disadvantage if you're trying to convince people that you're right. Like your use of civility here, the intent of your word is "submit", not civil. No, I won't take it back because I'm right. In your misbegotten use of Horse Shoe Theory you either believe Waters is what I said, or you were wrong about the Mansons, or you are buzzing from the cognitive dissonance, or you're just trolling.
(07-23-2018, 11:50 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 12:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The horseshoe theory is that any political views that is sufficiently different from the current political consensus is, functionally and in the short term, indistinguishable from any other extreme view.
This is because, in the short term, such extremists are focused on destroying the existing centers of power.
Anyone willing to resort to violence, like assassination, to change our political system can fall in this category.
Say what?
(07-23-2018, 12:54 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]The Horse Shoe Theory from my understanding is that the further either side gets away from the center the more they resemble each other.
This is the horseshoe theory I spent my entire educational experience learning about.
Right. The simplified version you've heard is fine. But it's one dimensional. The simplification that it makes is that it assumes that a politician who is somewhat right leaning on one issue is somewhat right leaning on all issues. But we know that real people aren't like that. A real person might have an extremely right wing view about, say abortion, while having an extremely left wing view about marijuana or socialized medicine. So my more complicated description accounts for this. Political views don't just go right and left away from the center. They can go out in any direction. But once they get far enough away, the short term goals become the same: to take down the center.
(07-24-2018, 06:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 07:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just asking you to take back the one comment that I downvoted, that's all.
Anybody on this board can ask me what I believe.
I don't think you would want anybody on this board telling you what you believe.
and likewise I don't appreciate you telling the whole board what I believe, especially considering you got it wrong.
If you want to flesh my beliefs out more, ask me questions.
Assumptions and accusations are a bad route. They are not civil. We have to be civil with each other if we expect this nation to last beyond our generation as a democratic Republic.
It's no assumption to judge your words on their merits using the common definitions. You continually take words and use them as you think they should be not as they are, so you end up with faulty conclusions, like your mistaken use of HSTheory, where you now disagree with my perfectly reasonable example. This puts you at a disadvantage if you're trying to convince people that you're right. Like your use of civility here, the intent of your word is "submit", not civil. No, I won't take it back because I'm right. In your misbegotten use of Horse Shoe Theory you either believe Waters is what I said, or you were wrong about the Mansons, or you are buzzing from the cognitive dissonance, or you're just trolling.
You are misinterpreting my words and blaming me for it. You should be asking questions to clarify your understanding of what I'm trying to say.
If you think I'm being inconsistent about Maxine Waters vs. the Manson girls, maybe I am. Wouldn't be the first time for any of us to be inconsistent about something.
But I don't think I'm being inconsistent.
The Manson girls attempted to kill the President. They were violent. They had no official role in government.
Maxine Waters hasn't even called for violence. She simply called for the trend of Trump enablers being trespassed out of public restaurants to continue. And she has an official role in government.
So yes, I am applying different rules to how I categorize these two people, and I think that's fine.
I think putting them both this broad category of "extreme political views" is not very illuminating.
(07-24-2018, 11:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 11:50 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Say what?
This is the horseshoe theory I spent my entire educational experience learning about.
Right. The simplified version you've heard is fine. But it's one dimensional. The simplification that it makes is that it assumes that a politician who is somewhat right leaning on one issue is somewhat right leaning on all issues. But we know that real people aren't like that. A real person might have an extremely right wing view about, say abortion, while having an extremely left wing view about marijuana or socialized medicine. So my more complicated description accounts for this. Political views don't just go right and left away from the center. They can go out in any direction. But once they get far enough away, the short term goals become the same: to take down the center.
Yeah Bender, you simpleton, you need to work harder to understand the Gospel Mikie the Lightbringer is offering you.
(07-24-2018, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 06:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's no assumption to judge your words on their merits using the common definitions. You continually take words and use them as you think they should be not as they are, so you end up with faulty conclusions, like your mistaken use of HSTheory, where you now disagree with my perfectly reasonable example. This puts you at a disadvantage if you're trying to convince people that you're right. Like your use of civility here, the intent of your word is "submit", not civil. No, I won't take it back because I'm right. In your misbegotten use of Horse Shoe Theory you either believe Waters is what I said, or you were wrong about the Mansons, or you are buzzing from the cognitive dissonance, or you're just trolling.
You are misinterpreting my words and blaming me for it. You should be asking questions to clarify your understanding of what I'm trying to say.
If you think I'm being inconsistent about Maxine Waters vs. the Manson girls, maybe I am. Wouldn't be the first time for any of us to be inconsistent about something.
But I don't think I'm being inconsistent.
The Manson girls attempted to kill the President. They were violent. They had no official role in government.
Maxine Waters hasn't even called for violence. She simply called for the trend of Trump enablers being trespassed out of public restaurants to continue. And she has an official role in government.
So yes, I am applying different rules to how I categorize these two people, and I think that's fine.
I think putting them both this broad category of "extreme political views" is not very illuminating.
I dont think you're inconsistent, I think you're just wrong.
(07-24-2018, 12:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 11:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Right. The simplified version you've heard is fine. But it's one dimensional. The simplification that it makes is that it assumes that a politician who is somewhat right leaning on one issue is somewhat right leaning on all issues. But we know that real people aren't like that. A real person might have an extremely right wing view about, say abortion, while having an extremely left wing view about marijuana or socialized medicine. So my more complicated description accounts for this. Political views don't just go right and left away from the center. They can go out in any direction. But once they get far enough away, the short term goals become the same: to take down the center.
Yeah Bender, you simpleton, you need to work harder to understand the Gospel Mikie the Lightbringer is offering you.
(07-24-2018, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You are misinterpreting my words and blaming me for it. You should be asking questions to clarify your understanding of what I'm trying to say.
If you think I'm being inconsistent about Maxine Waters vs. the Manson girls, maybe I am. Wouldn't be the first time for any of us to be inconsistent about something.
But I don't think I'm being inconsistent.
The Manson girls attempted to kill the President. They were violent. They had no official role in government.
Maxine Waters hasn't even called for violence. She simply called for the trend of Trump enablers being trespassed out of public restaurants to continue. And she has an official role in government.
So yes, I am applying different rules to how I categorize these two people, and I think that's fine.
I think putting them both this broad category of "extreme political views" is not very illuminating.
I dont think you're inconsistent, I think you're just wrong.
Look, of the two of us, you're the one with "God" in your name. I'm not trying to "bring a gospel," you are.
I didn't tell Bender he was wrong or needed to work harder. You did.
You think I'm wrong? About what?
(07-21-2018, 03:27 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]The other night before Whoopi Goldberg kicked Judge Jannine off of the view while spewing profanities at her, Whoopi mentioned how she's never seen so much hate before Trump came into office. Well, frankly, neither have I, but all of the hate has been from liberals towards republicans, Trump supporters and even towards whites in general. I'm not seeing any increase in racist hate towards blacks, women or in hate towards or anything else they're claiming. It just doesn't exist. But these liberals are foaming at the mouth. They've even shot republican congressmen at their annual baseball game last year.
Why so much hate? I know mainstream media encourages much of this hatred, but it's sad how many buy into it so easily. Can't we all just get along and recognize all the great things Trump is doing like fixing our economy.
Nope. That can't happen as long as Russia owns our Government right? We also have a bunch of illegal immigrants we have to worry about feeding and clothing with tax payer money. And also we need to worry about referring to everyone as "they" instead of "he" and "she" for now on. Since those are more important to the well being of our country at this time.
We need to start preparing to protect ourselves from the next Hitler. I don't know how we'll do that though if we keep pushing for tighter gun control and laws but somehow, someway, in the event our Government decides to go full on Nazi or North Korea on us. We'll defend ourselves with sticks and stones since words can clearly hurt us in the face of such a tyrannical regime.
Also, don't forget. Trump didn't build that. Obama did. All of Trump's economical accomplishments since he's been in office is all because of Obama. Not Trump. Clearly by having a 72 year old business tycoon in the white house had little to no impact in how other countries viewed our importing and exporting prospects moving forward. It was all Obama. Things were perfect with Obama. Everything got better. Even crime rates in Chicago and race relations.
Obviously that's all sarcasm from me. But that's the world we live in (according to the left).
Makes sense. He only leaves good things in his wake. Never mind the fact that he was responsible for ISIS getting out of control, Iran growing a bigger pair in the middle east and weakening the relationships with the very few allies we have in that region. I forgot. It was Trump who bombed seven prominent Muslim based countries simultaneously and is going down as the only president in US history to not have a single day's worth of peace during an eight year run. I must have missed the part where Trump also ended up going down as the President who sold more arms and ammunition to foreign countries in our country's history.
(07-24-2018, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 06:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's no assumption to judge your words on their merits using the common definitions. You continually take words and use them as you think they should be not as they are, so you end up with faulty conclusions, like your mistaken use of HSTheory, where you now disagree with my perfectly reasonable example. This puts you at a disadvantage if you're trying to convince people that you're right. Like your use of civility here, the intent of your word is "submit", not civil. No, I won't take it back because I'm right. In your misbegotten use of Horse Shoe Theory you either believe Waters is what I said, or you were wrong about the Mansons, or you are buzzing from the cognitive dissonance, or you're just trolling.
You are misinterpreting my words and blaming me for it. You should be asking questions to clarify your understanding of what I'm trying to say.
If you think I'm being inconsistent about Maxine Waters vs. the Manson girls, maybe I am. Wouldn't be the first time for any of us to be inconsistent about something.
But I don't think I'm being inconsistent.
The Manson girls attempted to kill the President. They were violent. They had no official role in government.
Maxine Waters hasn't even called for violence. She simply called for the trend of Trump enablers being trespassed out of public restaurants to continue. And she has an official role in government.
So yes, I am applying different rules to how I categorize these two people, and I think that's fine.
I think putting them both this broad category of "extreme political views" is not very illuminating.
I have repeatedly but you refuse to answer a direct question.
(07-24-2018, 12:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2018, 03:27 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]The other night before Whoopi Goldberg kicked Judge Jannine off of the view while spewing profanities at her, Whoopi mentioned how she's never seen so much hate before Trump came into office. Well, frankly, neither have I, but all of the hate has been from liberals towards republicans, Trump supporters and even towards whites in general. I'm not seeing any increase in racist hate towards blacks, women or in hate towards or anything else they're claiming. It just doesn't exist. But these liberals are foaming at the mouth. They've even shot republican congressmen at their annual baseball game last year.
Why so much hate? I know mainstream media encourages much of this hatred, but it's sad how many buy into it so easily. Can't we all just get along and recognize all the great things Trump is doing like fixing our economy.
Nope. That can't happen as long as Russia owns our Government right? We also have a bunch of illegal immigrants we have to worry about feeding and clothing with tax payer money. And also we need to worry about referring to everyone as "they" instead of "he" and "she" for now on. Since those are more important to the well being of our country at this time.
We need to start preparing to protect ourselves from the next Hitler. I don't know how we'll do that though if we keep pushing for tighter gun control and laws but somehow, someway, in the event our Government decides to go full on Nazi or North Korea on us. We'll defend ourselves with sticks and stones since words can clearly hurt us in the face of such a tyrannical regime.
Also, don't forget. Trump didn't build that. Obama did. All of Trump's economical accomplishments since he's been in office is all because of Obama. Not Trump. Clearly by having a 72 year old business tycoon in the white house had little to no impact in how other countries viewed our importing and exporting prospects moving forward. It was all Obama. Things were perfect with Obama. Everything got better. Even crime rates in Chicago and race relations.
Obviously that's all sarcasm from me. But that's the world we live in (according to the left).
Makes sense. He only leaves good things in his wake. Never mind the fact that he was responsible for ISIS getting out of control, Iran growing a bigger pair in the middle east and weakening the relationships with the very few allies we have in that region. I forgot. It was Trump who bombed seven prominent Muslim based countries simultaneously and is going down as the only president in US history to not have a single day's worth of peace during an eight year run. I must have missed the part where Trump also ended up going down as the President who sold more arms and ammunition to foreign countries in our country's history.
Does FBT know you've taken his old man "Get off my lawn!" role? Is it now your task to do the Rush/Sean diatribe? Good job - always go back to Obama. Always.
(07-24-2018, 12:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah Bender, you simpleton, you need to work harder to understand the Gospel Mikie the Lightbringer is offering you.
I dont think you're inconsistent, I think you're just wrong.
Look, of the two of us, you're the one with "God" in your name. I'm not trying to "bring a gospel," you are.
I didn't tell Bender he was wrong or needed to work harder. You did.
You think I'm wrong? About what?
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm just reflecting on your statements. You remarked that Bender has a simple interpretation, as though you need to enlarge his understanding so that he will agree with your more complex and correct one. But you, who chastised me for my pointing out your flaws by saying I put words in your mouth, think yourself qualified to educate someone you don't know. You aren't more complex or enlightened, you're just bloviating.
(07-24-2018, 12:31 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You are misinterpreting my words and blaming me for it. You should be asking questions to clarify your understanding of what I'm trying to say.
If you think I'm being inconsistent about Maxine Waters vs. the Manson girls, maybe I am. Wouldn't be the first time for any of us to be inconsistent about something.
But I don't think I'm being inconsistent.
The Manson girls attempted to kill the President. They were violent. They had no official role in government.
Maxine Waters hasn't even called for violence. She simply called for the trend of Trump enablers being trespassed out of public restaurants to continue. And she has an official role in government.
So yes, I am applying different rules to how I categorize these two people, and I think that's fine.
I think putting them both this broad category of "extreme political views" is not very illuminating.
I have repeatedly but you refuse to answer a direct question.
I don't remember that. What was the question?
(07-24-2018, 12:41 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Look, of the two of us, you're the one with "God" in your name. I'm not trying to "bring a gospel," you are.
I didn't tell Bender he was wrong or needed to work harder. You did.
You think I'm wrong? About what?
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm just reflecting on your statements. You remarked that Bender has a simple interpretation, as though you need to enlarge his understanding so that he will agree with your more complex and correct one. But you, who chastised me for my pointing out your flaws by saying I put words in your mouth, think yourself qualified to educate someone you don't know. You aren't more complex or enlightened, you're just bloviating.
the simpler explanation that Bender agreed with was posted after my more complicated one.
Bender initiated the exchange by making a vague comment that could have been interpreted as him saying that I was wrong. I took the high road and tried to explain that neither of us are wrong.
You're trying to make a fight out of the way that I try to avoid fights.
(07-24-2018, 12:37 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. That can't happen as long as Russia owns our Government right? We also have a bunch of illegal immigrants we have to worry about feeding and clothing with tax payer money. And also we need to worry about referring to everyone as "they" instead of "he" and "she" for now on. Since those are more important to the well being of our country at this time.
We need to start preparing to protect ourselves from the next Hitler. I don't know how we'll do that though if we keep pushing for tighter gun control and laws but somehow, someway, in the event our Government decides to go full on Nazi or North Korea on us. We'll defend ourselves with sticks and stones since words can clearly hurt us in the face of such a tyrannical regime.
Also, don't forget. Trump didn't build that. Obama did. All of Trump's economical accomplishments since he's been in office is all because of Obama. Not Trump. Clearly by having a 72 year old business tycoon in the white house had little to no impact in how other countries viewed our importing and exporting prospects moving forward. It was all Obama. Things were perfect with Obama. Everything got better. Even crime rates in Chicago and race relations.
Obviously that's all sarcasm from me. But that's the world we live in (according to the left).
Makes sense. He only leaves good things in his wake. Never mind the fact that he was responsible for ISIS getting out of control, Iran growing a bigger pair in the middle east and weakening the relationships with the very few allies we have in that region. I forgot. It was Trump who bombed seven prominent Muslim based countries simultaneously and is going down as the only president in US history to not have a single day's worth of peace during an eight year run. I must have missed the part where Trump also ended up going down as the President who sold more arms and ammunition to foreign countries in our country's history.
Does FBT know you've taken his old man "Get off my lawn!" role? Is it now your task to do the Rush/Sean diatribe? Good job - always go back to Obama. Always.
It's not me always going back to Obama. It's just how the left goes about it's business. They sling dirt everywhere they can. Everywhere but on themselves. Even though we can all see it on their faces and on their hands. It's embarrassing. But that's the rhetoric we see in the media anytime one network praises Trump they find something to try and take him down a notch on the opposing network or networks.
I don't watch CNN or FOX. At all. But yet I still have to see it with snowflakes on both sides of the aisle throughout Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and then it even goes further by being showcased and shoved down our throats through television series and movies. It's impossible to avoid these days unless you live on a remote island.
Personally I've never liked our political system. I feel it can be better and WILL be better in due time. The more and more corruption and dirty laundry that gets aired out and exposed the better. It should ultimately only serve the public's decision to get away from black and white politics when it comes to this two party [BLEEP].
I wouldn't throw Obama out there if he himself kept his trap shut. But he can't seem to help himself either. And just to make things crystal clear. I despise the Bush family just as much as the Obama's and the Clinton's. Neither of those families ever had my vote. I don't want to be mistaken as anything other than a person that aligns himself in the middle politically. Vote with your brain. Not with your blind loyalty.
(07-24-2018, 12:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:31 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I have repeatedly but you refuse to answer a direct question.
I don't remember that. What was the question?
Why do you say the Manson Girls were righties?
(07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember that. What was the question?
Why do you day the Manson Girls were righties?
Because like Maxine Waters they are so far left that they are on the right. Innnnnnn the circle...the circle of life!!!!
(07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 12:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember that. What was the question?
Why do you day the Manson Girls were righties?
The white supremacism, and that they viewed it as a religion. You don't have to be persuaded by that, though.
(07-24-2018, 04:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you day the Manson Girls were righties?
The white supremacism, and that they viewed it as a religion. You don't have to be persuaded by that, though.
As I expected. White supremacist must be righties. SMH!
NO! They were Cultist! Charlie could have told them to eat their own feces and they would have done it.
(07-24-2018, 04:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you day the Manson Girls were righties?
Because like Maxine Waters they are so far left that they are on the right. Innnnnnn the circle...the circle of life!!!!
Now that makes sense. +1
(07-24-2018, 04:42 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The white supremacism, and that they viewed it as a religion. You don't have to be persuaded by that, though.
As I expected. White supremacist must be righties. SMH!
NO! They were Cultist! Charlie could have told them to eat their own feces and they would have done it
Would you have called the Manson girls lefties? Or is "cultist" just off the charts?