(07-24-2018, 05:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:42 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]As I expected. White supremacist must be righties. SMH!
NO! They were Cultist! Charlie could have told them to eat their own feces and they would have done it
Would you have called the Manson girls lefties? Or is "cultist" just off the charts?
I would not consider them political at all so yeah off the charts. At some point you just gotta call crazy crazy.
2000th post. 5 Stars!
(07-24-2018, 04:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:10 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you day the Manson Girls were righties?
The white supremacism, and that they viewed it as a religion. You don't have to be persuaded by that, though.
Your opinion is irrational.
(07-25-2018, 11:05 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2018, 04:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The white supremacism, and that they viewed it as a religion. You don't have to be persuaded by that, though.
Your opinion is irrational.
What would you call the Manson girls?
(07-25-2018, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 11:05 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Your opinion is irrational.
What would you call the Manson girls?
The case study in the results of 60s liberalism ie resistance to classical authority combined with slavish devotion to a false messiah. Today is only different in that the State is Manson and those who follow along are his Family.
And your white supremacy call is nonsense, the world still recognized that Democrats are the white supremacists in 1970, before their propaganda campaign put that false label on the Republicans.
(07-25-2018, 02:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What would you call the Manson girls?
The case study in the results of 60s liberalism ie resistance to classical authority combined with slavish devotion to a false messiah. Today is only different in that the State is Manson and those who follow along are his Family.
And your white supremacy call is nonsense, the world still recognized that Democrats are the white supremacists in 1970, before their propaganda campaign put that false label on the Republicans.
You're making a clear category error.
We were having an argument about left-wing or liberal versus right-wing or conservative.
I was asserting that white supremecism should be categorized, broadly, as a "right-wing" viewpoint.
You're correct that if you go back in time, the Democratic party used to include more racists and be more racist.
And you're correct that, today, the Democratic Party would be almost completely a "left wing" party.
But that doesn't mean that it was purely "left wing" back when it was racist. Both things changed, actually.
Both parties used to be more white supremacist than they are today.
(07-25-2018, 03:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 02:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The case study in the results of 60s liberalism ie resistance to classical authority combined with slavish devotion to a false messiah. Today is only different in that the State is Manson and those who follow along are his Family.
And your white supremacy call is nonsense, the world still recognized that Democrats are the white supremacists in 1970, before their propaganda campaign put that false label on the Republicans.
You're making a clear category error.
We were having an argument about left-wing or liberal versus right-wing or conservative.
I was asserting that white supremecism should be categorized, broadly, as a "right-wing" viewpoint.
You're correct that if you go back in time, the Democratic party used to include more racists and be more racist.
And you're correct that, today, the Democratic Party would be almost completely a "left wing" party.
But that doesn't mean that it was purely "left wing" back when it was racist. Both things changed, actually.
Both parties used to be more white supremacist than they are today.
I wasn't having an argument, you were busy tilting against facts.
Claiming the "left wing" is not racist is a pure joke. They're still trying to keep minorities on the democrat victim plantation. It's their entire platform to suppress minorities and keep them under the thumb.
(07-25-2018, 04:12 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Claiming the "left wing" is not racist is a pure joke. They're still trying to keep minorities on the democrat victim plantation. It's their entire platform to suppress minorities and keep them under the thumb.
Ok. But I'm talking about history.
We are talking about the Manson girls, who acted out in the mid 1970s. We are talking about how they wanted to re-implement legal white supremacism.
Legal white supremacism had just ended ten years prior.
Lyndon Johnson led the effort to end it. Was he a right winger?
Barry Goldwater and Strom Thurmond had resisted the effort to end white supremacism. They both voted no to the Civil Rights Act. Strom stayed in the Senate and voted no to the Voting Rights Act. Were they left wingers?
What do you mean by "the Democrat victim plantation"? Do you mean our system which allows black people to choose who will lead them, but offers all poor people some handouts and black people specifically some special treatment in college admissions? I admit this is not ideal. Before, we had a system which did not allow them to vote and kept them in segregated schools. Was that better or worse?
What happened to the other 17 dixiecrat senators?
Lyndon Johnson lead? Lol. M L K took a bullet and he still gets white washed for the racist who spied on him? Lol.
And there are still meaningful non racial libertarian problems with the cra from 64 every time someone walks into a cake shop.
(07-25-2018, 09:44 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to the other 17 dixiecrat senators?
Lyndon Johnson lead? Lol. M L K took a bullet and he still gets white washed for the racist who spied on him? Lol.
And there are still meaningful non racial libertarian problems with the cra from 64 every time someone walks into a cake shop.
Do you want me to make a list of the other 17 dixiecrat senators? The assassination attempts were in 1975. Do you think any of those 17 were still in the Senate as Democrats at that time, and still proud of their votes in 1964 and 1965? Bonus if they say they're both proud of their vote and also say that they're "left wing" or "liberal". Let me know if you find one.
Yes. Lyndon Johnson is widely acknowledged as the leader of the Senate, even after he became President. The US Senate is one of the bodies that can change laws in this country. This is why I referred specifically to "legal white supremacy." It was the part of white supremacy that just involved changing laws, not hearts and minds. King was the leader on the hearts and minds front. He was also vocally against the Vietnam War and widely suspected of Communist sympathies. It's unfortunate but understandable that Johnson spied on him. Both men were flawed humans. Both men worked to end white supremacy. In my opinion, both were left wingers, even though King was a registered Republican. Do you disagree? Was either a right winger in your opinion?
I didn't say that the Civil Rights Act was perfect. I'm not talking about its modern effects. I am talking only about what it did originally. But as far as this "cake shop" issue, let's remember what the Act actually did. It outlawed "discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." The "cake shop" issue is about homosexuals. Sexual orientation is not a protected category in federal civil rights law, not then and not now. The "cake shop" issue involves state laws.
(07-25-2018, 10:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 09:44 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to the other 17 dixiecrat senators?
Lyndon Johnson lead? Lol. M L K took a bullet and he still gets white washed for the racist who spied on him? Lol.
And there are still meaningful non racial libertarian problems with the cra from 64 every time someone walks into a cake shop.
Do you want me to make a list of the other 17 dixiecrat senators? The assassination attempts were in 1975. Do you think any of those 17 were still in the Senate as Democrats at that time, and still proud of their votes in 1964 and 1965? Bonus if they say they're both proud of their vote and also say that they're "left wing" or "liberal". Let me know if you find one.
Yes. Lyndon Johnson is widely acknowledged as the leader of the Senate, even after he became President. The US Senate is one of the bodies that can change laws in this country. This is why I referred specifically to "legal white supremacy." It was the part of white supremacy that just involved changing laws, not hearts and minds. King was the leader on the hearts and minds front. He was also vocally against the Vietnam War and widely suspected of Communist sympathies. It's unfortunate but understandable that Johnson spied on him. Both men were flawed humans. Both men worked to end white supremacy. In my opinion, both were left wingers, even though King was a registered Republican. Do you disagree? Was either a right winger in your opinion?
I didn't say that the Civil Rights Act was perfect. I'm not talking about its modern effects. I am talking only about what it did originally. But as far as this "cake shop" issue, let's remember what the Act actually did. It outlawed "discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." The "cake shop" issue is about homosexuals. Sexual orientation is not a protected category in federal civil rights law, not then and not now. The "cake shop" issue involves state laws.
You think LBJ worked to end White Supremacy? Lollllllllll.
(07-25-2018, 10:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 09:44 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to the other 17 dixiecrat senators?
Lyndon Johnson lead? Lol. M L K took a bullet and he still gets white washed for the racist who spied on him? Lol.
And there are still meaningful non racial libertarian problems with the cra from 64 every time someone walks into a cake shop.
Do you want me to make a list of the other 17 dixiecrat senators? The assassination attempts were in 1975. Do you think any of those 17 were still in the Senate as Democrats at that time, and still proud of their votes in 1964 and 1965? Bonus if they say they're both proud of their vote and also say that they're "left wing" or "liberal". Let me know if you find one.
All but Strom Thurman stayed lifelong Democrats. You're putting the burden on us to prove they weren't sorrowful when you should prove they were. It seem more logical to believe that they were content with the choices they made just a couple years before the time period to speak about.
Even Robert Byrd said they regretted how they behaved but then was the only senator to vote against Marshall and Thomas to the Supreme Court. He asked Hoover to investigate Marshall with allegations of communism. The communism line was played much like facism is today but much much worse. You applied it to those you dislike and hope you hurt them. This happened to MLK as you mentioned earlier.
LBJ was a racist, and his legacy has been distorted.
MLK was shot in 1968. Ill get u a list in the morning.
(07-26-2018, 03:16 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]MLK was shot in 1968. Ill get u a list in the morning.
Squeaky Fromme tried to kill Gerald Ford in 1975. I alleged she was a type of right-winger. You brought up MLK, not me. I still don't understand what MLK has to do with my point. FWIW, he was a left-winger.
(07-26-2018, 12:30 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 10:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Do you want me to make a list of the other 17 dixiecrat senators? The assassination attempts were in 1975. Do you think any of those 17 were still in the Senate as Democrats at that time, and still proud of their votes in 1964 and 1965? Bonus if they say they're both proud of their vote and also say that they're "left wing" or "liberal". Let me know if you find one.
Yes. Lyndon Johnson is widely acknowledged as the leader of the Senate, even after he became President. The US Senate is one of the bodies that can change laws in this country. This is why I referred specifically to "legal white supremacy." It was the part of white supremacy that just involved changing laws, not hearts and minds. King was the leader on the hearts and minds front. He was also vocally against the Vietnam War and widely suspected of Communist sympathies. It's unfortunate but understandable that Johnson spied on him. Both men were flawed humans. Both men worked to end white supremacy. In my opinion, both were left wingers, even though King was a registered Republican. Do you disagree? Was either a right winger in your opinion?
I didn't say that the Civil Rights Act was perfect. I'm not talking about its modern effects. I am talking only about what it did originally. But as far as this "cake shop" issue, let's remember what the Act actually did. It outlawed "discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." The "cake shop" issue is about homosexuals. Sexual orientation is not a protected category in federal civil rights law, not then and not now. The "cake shop" issue involves state laws.
You think LBJ worked to end White Supremacy? Lollllllllll.
You think he didn't? Lolllllll.
Why do you think that?
I showed you my evidence: LBJ pushed for and signed the civil rights act and voting rights act, which were major parts of how the legal aspect of white supremacy ended.
What evidence do you have?
(07-26-2018, 01:29 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2018, 10:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Do you want me to make a list of the other 17 dixiecrat senators? The assassination attempts were in 1975. Do you think any of those 17 were still in the Senate as Democrats at that time, and still proud of their votes in 1964 and 1965? Bonus if they say they're both proud of their vote and also say that they're "left wing" or "liberal". Let me know if you find one.
All but Strom Thurman stayed lifelong Democrats. You're putting the burden on us to prove they weren't sorrowful when you should prove they were. It seem more logical to believe that they were content with the choices they made just a couple years before the time period to speak about.
This isnt some sort of trial. I think we agree that the guys morally failed with the votes they cast in 1964 and 1965. The question is how to categorize them, as left wingers, or as right wingers? Neither is a crime or moral failing. You don't usually need to meet a burden of proof to put someone in a category. If you put them in a different category that's fine. I keep telling people my reasons and my evidence and no one ever tells me theirs. It's not really about burden of proof so much as it is not my turn anymore to be the only one bringing up specific names with specific dates and specific events. Someone else needs to step up. The rest of you seem to be going on hunches or feelings. If feelings are all the evidence you need to categorize people, that's fine. Feel however you want. If you have actual reasons, lay them out.
(07-22-2018, 12:29 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]You all need to do a little searching outside your insulated boxes. There was a lot of backlash against Obama after he was elected. Of course, that was probably fake news to those who have been dutifully Trumpified.
The media wasn't a proactive element in that backlash. They've been the tip of the spear in fomenting the Trump hatred from the moment he announced his candidacy. They were all too busy trying to lick Obama's boots for 8 years to instigate any sort of backlash. Those who dared to question "The One" were labeled racists since disagreeing with his policies couldn't be based on opposition to the policies themselves. I guess it makes sense since they basically created his mythology. The threat of being labeled racist squashed probably 90% or more of any backlash.
Without the media distorting, and then dumping gasoline on every incident, we never saw the level of hatred directed at Obama that we're seeing now. Not for lack of trying on Obama's part. Knowing he could say or do just about anything without consequence, he did far more to divide this nation than anything Trump has done in 2 years. Anyone who was genuinely disgusted by Obama's antics (including his administration) was dismissed or completely ignored by the mainstream Obama media who was carrying his water every step of the way. If Trump said some of the things Obama did without sparking any kind of outrage, the mainstream media, RINOs, and liberals would be frothing at the bit. Let Trump say "The police acted stupidly" and watch the sudden "Back the blue" movement by the same people who were marching with P hats strapped on firmly as they protested the police.
(07-25-2018, 04:12 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Claiming the "left wing" is not racist is a pure joke. They're still trying to keep minorities on the democrat victim plantation. It's their entire platform to suppress minorities and keep them under the thumb.
The left practices soft racism on a daily basis based on how they single out minority groups and use identity politics as a weapon.
I always get a kick out of the people opposed to things like voter ID laws because they claim minorities aren't capable of obtaining a state ID.
The left has cheapened the 'racist' label to the point where it's meaningless because they've used it so often to describe things that simply aren't.
I'm sure pointing that out will have the usual suspects jumping in here calling me a racist. That's fine. Those who love to break out the label in a knee jerk reaction are usually just projecting.
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/13TJnnNFHmtLmo/giphy.gif)