(07-27-2018, 08:42 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 08:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]James Alex Fields Jr. would be interested to find out that you think he's "from the Left". Jeremy Joseph Christian might be as well.
1. You might want to supply some context rather than just naming names.
2. Neither of those were politically motivated, which is the topic of this discussion. The first was not even a hate crime, it was an unplanned extreme response to a guy's car being blocked and attacked, he didn't set out that day to drive over people. I'm not sure what the motive was in the second case; it seems to be racial but not political.
So white supremacy isn't a political opinion?
(07-27-2018, 08:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I think we have a duty to teach all people that there used to be slavery and Jim Crow.
We have a duty to teach that segregation in education is still going on at the primary level, and that as late as the 1960s states ran universities that were for whites only.
We have a duty to teach that even in areas in the North, continuing into the 1970s, mob violence would be threatened against a black person who tried to move into a white neighborhood.
We have a duty to teach that, from 1934 to 1968, black people could not get mortgages on the same terms as white people.
To stop teaching these things is supressing the truth. To stop teaching these things deprives students of all colors the ability to properly make sense of what they see.
It's up to the students to decide that they're not going to adopt a victim mentality. We can certainly encourage them to not see themselves as victims, but, we can't re-write history either. If they want to look at the clear facts and decide that they need to spend their lives feeling like a victim, that's a freedom that they have as Americans.
We do teach it, hell, some people make a great living off of never, ever, ever shutting up about it. What we really need is to teach history accurately so that today's Victim Class will come to understand that they aren't victims of anything except the willful victims of their own actions and the race hucksters..
I don't understand what you mean. Are you implying that anything on my list was inaccurate?
(07-27-2018, 09:13 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 08:42 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]1. You might want to supply some context rather than just naming names.
2. Neither of those were politically motivated, which is the topic of this discussion. The first was not even a hate crime, it was an unplanned extreme response to a guy's car being blocked and attacked, he didn't set out that day to drive over people. I'm not sure what the motive was in the second case; it seems to be racial but not political.
So white supremacy isn't a political opinion?
(07-27-2018, 08:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We do teach it, hell, some people make a great living off of never, ever, ever shutting up about it. What we really need is to teach history accurately so that today's Victim Class will come to understand that they aren't victims of anything except the willful victims of their own actions and the race hucksters..
I don't understand what you mean. Are you implying that anything on my list was inaccurate?
I'm implying that no one with a brain and a decent education doesn't know about the past. Since the left controls education in this country we can be certain that "decent" isn't common because they need a large Victim Class to achieve their goals.
(07-27-2018, 10:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 09:13 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]So white supremacy isn't a political opinion?
I don't understand what you mean. Are you implying that anything on my list was inaccurate?
I'm implying that no one with a brain and a decent education doesn't know about the past. Since the left controls education in this country we can be certain that "decent" isn't common because they need a large Victim Class to achieve their goals.
I dunno. I took AP US history and it wasn't until I was out of college and trying to learn about politics on my own that I found out about FHA redlining or the reception that MLK got in Chicago. We read Raisin in the Sun in English class but it wasn't taught as history and frankly that play makes the situation look a lot better than it actually was.
(07-27-2018, 10:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 10:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm implying that no one with a brain and a decent education doesn't know about the past. Since the left controls education in this country we can be certain that "decent" isn't common because they need a large Victim Class to achieve their goals.
I dunno. I took AP US history and it wasn't until I was out of college and trying to learn about politics on my own that I found out about FHA redlining or the reception that MLK got in Chicago. We read Raisin in the Sun in English class but it wasn't taught as history and frankly that play makes the situation look a lot better than it actually was.
So you fall outside those with a decent education then. You're like most people, there's no shame in that. Its good that you are trying to improve.
(07-27-2018, 10:51 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 10:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I dunno. I took AP US history and it wasn't until I was out of college and trying to learn about politics on my own that I found out about FHA redlining or the reception that MLK got in Chicago. We read Raisin in the Sun in English class but it wasn't taught as history and frankly that play makes the situation look a lot better than it actually was.
So you fall outside those with a decent education then. You're like most people, there's no shame in that. Its good that you are trying to improve.
But are these the types of historical facts that contribute to the "victim mentality" pirkster is complaining about?
(07-27-2018, 11:25 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 10:51 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So you fall outside those with a decent education then. You're like most people, there's no shame in that. Its good that you are trying to improve.
But are these the types of historical facts that contribute to the "victim mentality" pirkster is complaining about?
The facts themselves, no. The manipulation of those facts? Absolutely. It's why we have the response to Trump at the root of this thread.
(07-27-2018, 03:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 02:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I see a theme forming
Give me a Jaaaayyyy
Give me a Duuubbbb
What's that spell????
Who is manipulating the facts? Did you find the way I laid them out manipulative? What do these manipulated facts look like?
(07-27-2018, 12:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 11:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The facts themselves, no. The manipulation of those facts? Absolutely. It's why we have the response to Trump at the root of this thread.
I don't understand.
Probably the most accurate and factual post you've ever made.
(07-27-2018, 03:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 03:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Give me a Jaaaayyyy
Give me a Duuubbbb
What's that spell????
Who is manipulating the facts? Did you find the way I laid them out manipulative? What do these manipulated facts look like?
so I got three personal insults for asking for help and no answers to my questions.
Is it that you can't explain it or that you won't explain it?
if you can't explain what you're talking about someone who's uninitiated you might not actually know very much about the topic.
when you realize that there is a lot that you don't know you will probably feel better and be less angry about the topic.
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/0...erstanding
(07-27-2018, 08:04 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 07:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]if you can't explain what you're talking about someone who's uninitiated you might not actually know very much about the topic.
when you realize that there is a lot that you don't know you will probably feel better and be less angry about the topic.
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/0...erstanding
And so far you haven't explained anything, and are re-defining words when your mistaken opinions are challenged.
The Left is targeting people on the Right with violence solely for their political beliefs. This is not happening in the other direction, not now, nor when Obama was POTUS. That is the point of this thread.
If you want people to come to your side, lumping them in with murderers and other violent people seems like an odd first step. Maybe a better step would be, "I know we don't agree about much, but you dont agree with these violent people, right?"
Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?
I mean the baseball game thing was pretty unprecedented and fortunately hasn't become a trend.
Its not like other violent events. There was an intent to kill. The man definitely wanted to kill Republican politicians specifically. You won't find another event like that.
But then the original poster brings in Whoopi Goldberg being profane with Jeannine Pirro. This was not violent. No intent to kill. Neither is a politician, though one used to be a politician. There are a lot of "rude, but not violent" political exchanges every day.
To me this invites others to bring up similar events from many other angles, but, apparently not. Maybe only if they are other examples of "the right" being the victim.
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