(11-08-2018, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 02:10 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]With WRs who caught the ball last year, BB5 got us to the AFCC game.
That's why I wonder why we didn't obtain 1 of those WRS. (Thomas, Dez, Cooper, Tate)
He seriously needs help. Westbrook is seriously his only viable option.
If you think wide receiver is the primary issue with this offense, I can't really reason with you.
It's way down the list in my opinion - and QB is definitely a larger issue.
Is it possible to win with Blake? Obviously - yes - we've done it. But is it reasonable to require the #1 run game in the league and a top two or three defense to get him by? No - It's not the way to get it done. Not long term. It is not sustainable.
The QB has to be able to go win some games on his own at times. We've seen that what, maybe 3 times in 5 years? Not enough.
Now weigh that against the games that Blake gifted away on a silver platter with picks and do the math.
I think the QB needs a bit more help, sure. But I think we need a better QB even more that that.
Even last year's formula firing on all cylinders would not likely have us return to the AFCCG. The league has taken another offensive leap this season and this team is way way behind.
(11-08-2018, 03:42 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you think wide receiver is the primary issue with this offense, I can't really reason with you.
It's way down the list in my opinion - and QB is definitely a larger issue.
Is it possible to win with Blake? Obviously - yes - we've done it. But is it reasonable to require the #1 run game in the league and a top two or three defense to get him by? No - It's not the way to get it done. Not long term. It is not sustainable.
The QB has to be able to go win some games on his own at times. We've seen that what, maybe 3 times in 5 years? Not enough.
Now weigh that against the games that Blake gifted away on a silver platter with picks and do the math.
I think the QB needs a bit more help, sure. But I think we need a better QB even more that that.
Even last year's formula firing on all cylinders would not likely have us return to the AFCCG. The league has taken another offensive leap this season and this team is way way behind.
Yep and by the time we find our own air raid QB and a coach that can run the jet sweep offense... the fad will have moved back to power football and defense
#becausejaguars
(11-08-2018, 02:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 02:10 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]With WRs who caught the ball last year, BB5 got us to the AFCC game.
That's why I wonder why we didn't obtain 1 of those WRS. (Thomas, Dez, Cooper, Tate)
He seriously needs help. Westbrook is seriously his only viable option.
The Dez Bryant that no one wanted and we still have no clue how he's gonna play? His only chance is the fact he has Brees who is a top 5 QB of all time. Didn't Cooper lead the league in drops a year ago? Demaryius is absolutely nothing like he was before and Tate is a 30 year old slot receiver.
But even if those guys got open, you expect Blake to be able to hit them in stride? Blake doesn't anticipate his throws and half those guys you listed can't beat man coverage.
You just discredited all of those guys. But they are all of a higher talent than what we have here other than Dede. And its not like teams gave up the farm to get these guys other than Cooper, which IMO was a horrible decision by the Cowgirls.
(11-08-2018, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 02:10 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]With WRs who caught the ball last year, BB5 got us to the AFCC game.
That's why I wonder why we didn't obtain 1 of those WRS. (Thomas, Dez, Cooper, Tate)
He seriously needs help. Westbrook is seriously his only viable option.
If you think wide receiver is the primary issue with this offense, I can't really reason with you.
It's way down the list in my opinion - and QB is definitely a larger issue.
Is it possible to win with Blake? Obviously - yes - we've done it. But is it reasonable to require the #1 run game in the league and a top two or three defense to get him by? No - It's not the way to get it done. Not long term. It is not sustainable.
The QB has to be able to go win some games on his own at times. We've seen that what, maybe 3 times in 5 years? Not enough.
Now weigh that against the games that Blake gifted away on a silver platter with picks and do the math.
I think the QB needs a bit more help, sure. But I think we need a better QB even more that that.
I didn't say that was the #1 issue, but in the scheme of things when you already traded for Hyde and you aren't getting any other LTs from anyone else, the best thing you can do is help your QB if you expect him to throw it 40, 50, and 60 times a game.
That's just common sense. And I know any of those guys aren't world beaters but they would draw attention in coverage allowing those who catch the ball such as Westbrook and sometimes Chark to be a little more open quicker for Blake to get them the ball.
But I love the fact that you guys just know it all.
LOL
Yes, SF and Kane. I can't disagree on either speculation, unfortunately.
(11-08-2018, 03:48 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2018, 02:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The Dez Bryant that no one wanted and we still have no clue how he's gonna play? His only chance is the fact he has Brees who is a top 5 QB of all time. Didn't Cooper lead the league in drops a year ago? Demaryius is absolutely nothing like he was before and Tate is a 30 year old slot receiver.
But even if those guys got open, you expect Blake to be able to hit them in stride? Blake doesn't anticipate his throws and half those guys you listed can't beat man coverage.
You just discredited all of those guys. But they are all of a higher talent than what we have here other than Dede. And its not like teams gave up the farm to get these guys other than Cooper, which IMO was a horrible decision by the Cowgirls.
(11-08-2018, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you think wide receiver is the primary issue with this offense, I can't really reason with you.
It's way down the list in my opinion - and QB is definitely a larger issue.
Is it possible to win with Blake? Obviously - yes - we've done it. But is it reasonable to require the #1 run game in the league and a top two or three defense to get him by? No - It's not the way to get it done. Not long term. It is not sustainable.
The QB has to be able to go win some games on his own at times. We've seen that what, maybe 3 times in 5 years? Not enough.
Now weigh that against the games that Blake gifted away on a silver platter with picks and do the math.
I think the QB needs a bit more help, sure. But I think we need a better QB even more that that.
I didn't say that was the #1 issue, but in the scheme of things when you already traded for Hyde and you aren't getting any other LTs from anyone else, the best thing you can do is help your QB if you expect him to throw it 40, 50, and 60 times a game.
That's just common sense. And I know any of those guys aren't world beaters but they would draw attention in coverage allowing those who catch the ball such as Westbrook and sometimes Chark to be a little more open quicker for Blake to get them the ball.
But I love the fact that you guys just know it all.
Never claimed to know it all. Just talking football here. I don't agree with your opinion. That's all.
I think this team is praying to all things Holy Blake won't throw it more than 30-35 times in any game ever actually.
They doubled down on the run because they know they have to mitigate the QB mistakes - and they felt they were missing Fournette badly enough - they had to go get Hyde.
Could they have tried a different approach? Sure. It requires putting a lot of eggs in the Bortles basket though, and they clearly felt unsteady doing that. Hard to blame them given his rollercoaster season.
(11-08-2018, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-08-2018, 03:48 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]You just discredited all of those guys. But they are all of a higher talent than what we have here other than Dede. And its not like teams gave up the farm to get these guys other than Cooper, which IMO was a horrible decision by the Cowgirls.
I didn't say that was the #1 issue, but in the scheme of things when you already traded for Hyde and you aren't getting any other LTs from anyone else, the best thing you can do is help your QB if you expect him to throw it 40, 50, and 60 times a game.
That's just common sense. And I know any of those guys aren't world beaters but they would draw attention in coverage allowing those who catch the ball such as Westbrook and sometimes Chark to be a little more open quicker for Blake to get them the ball.
But I love the fact that you guys just know it all.
Never claimed to know it all. Just talking football here. I don't agree with your opinion. That's all.
I think this team is praying to all things Holy Blake won't throw it more than 30-35 times in any game ever actually.
They doubled down on the run because they know they have to mitigate the QB mistakes - and they felt they were missing Fournette badly enough - they had to go get Hyde.
Could they have tried a different approach? Sure. It requires putting a lot of eggs in the Bortles basket though, and they clearly felt unsteady doing that. Hard to blame them given his rollercoaster season.
Everyone agrees that since 904nette has been hurt the offense has gone downhill. Now they have asked Blake to throw over 35 attempts 4 times. Now he is throwing in these games to WRs who: 1. Arent really trying, just getting paid. 2. Drops the ball. 3. Catches the ball but immediately fumbles it.
It doesn't requires putting a lot of eggs in the Bortles basket, it requires them to provide him with another target if they're going to ask him to throw so much.
Look at what he has been working with:
Moncrief- No effort
Westbrook -Reliable
Cole- Drops/Fumbles
Chark- Drops/ Some catches
Greene- DNP
Barnidge (If I spelled it right) - I don't even know.
The bulldozer kid- IDK
When you look at it like that, you're telling me adding a WR is putting a lot of eggs in the Bortles basket?
IMO, that's just attempting to help your team succeed on the field.