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So if SF needs defense... why not include Gipson and Jackson in the trade and get that money off the books while we are at it. Consider them toss ins lol. Maybe it'll save a pick.

You can't simply look at the "needs" of the teams drafting in front of you to dictate your trade-up strategy. If you intend to trade up to get your guy, you need to trade all the way up to the top. What do you gain by trading up to #2 then having someone leapfrog you and taking your guy? (minus lost draft picks).

(01-03-2019, 03:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You can't simply look at the "needs" of the teams drafting in front of you to dictate your trade-up strategy. If you intend to trade up to get your guy, you need to trade all the way up to the top. What do you gain by trading up to #2 then having someone leapfrog you and taking your guy? (minus lost draft picks).

My guess is that they would start at the top (Arizona) and if they say they're staying put, they move down to #2.

(01-03-2019, 03:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 03:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You can't simply look at the "needs" of the teams drafting in front of you to dictate your trade-up strategy. If you intend to trade up to get your guy, you need to trade all the way up to the top. What do you gain by trading up to #2 then having someone leapfrog you and taking your guy? (minus lost draft picks).

My guess is that they would start at the top (Arizona) and if they say they're staying put, they move down to #2.

Agreed.

(01-03-2019, 03:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 03:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You can't simply look at the "needs" of the teams drafting in front of you to dictate your trade-up strategy. If you intend to trade up to get your guy, you need to trade all the way up to the top. What do you gain by trading up to #2 then having someone leapfrog you and taking your guy? (minus lost draft picks).

My guess is that they would start at the top (Arizona) and if they say they're staying put, they move down to #2.

But what does taking them at their word of staying put really mean? What if they intend to stay put and we move up to #2, then NYG make them an offer they can't refuse. If we want him, we need to convince ARI to trade down. 

If the powers that be decide the talent gap between Haskins, Lock, Grier, etc, isn't significant enough, then they should stay put. It will take massive draft capital to move up to #1.

(01-03-2019, 03:58 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 03:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that they would start at the top (Arizona) and if they say they're staying put, they move down to #2.

But what does taking them at their word of staying put really mean? What if they intend to stay put and we move up to #2, then NYG make them an offer they can't refuse. If we want him, we need to convince ARI to trade down. 

If the powers that be decide the talent gap between Haskins, Lock, Grier, etc, isn't significant enough, then they should stay put. It will take massive draft capital to move up to #1.

Well then what can you do? lol

These are all hypothetical but I can't imagine NYG putting together some blockbuster offer because they don't even have a 3rd rounder this year. If you're Arizona, you want a lot of picks this year and next. I'd be more worried about Oakland if they part ways with Carr considering their draft capital.

(01-03-2019, 03:58 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 03:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that they would start at the top (Arizona) and if they say they're staying put, they move down to #2.

But what does taking them at their word of staying put really mean? What if they intend to stay put and we move up to #2, then NYG make them an offer they can't refuse. If we want him, we need to convince ARI to trade down. 

If the powers that be decide the talent gap between Haskins, Lock, Grier, etc, isn't significant enough, then they should stay put. It will take massive draft capital to move up to #1.

I'm hoping they're able to keep close enough tabs on the situation that in the end they can get Haskins at #3. #3 makes for a nice and easy trade up whereas getting the #2 would virtually wipe out our early picks. We'd have to literally sell the farm to get the first overall pick. 

(01-03-2019, 02:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 01:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]But a couple of them were black

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They were talking about the wind up, other than that they were talking about how similar.  Although they did mention Byron could stand in the pocket and get destroyed and deliver a nice pass.  Not so sure about Haskins

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So if his throwing motion is different from Leftwich and his pocket presence is better.... What do they have in common?

Last names that follow a pattern of a singular consonant, a singular vowel, several more consonants, a different singular vowel, and a few more consonants.

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(01-03-2019, 03:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You can't simply look at the "needs" of the teams drafting in front of you to dictate your trade-up strategy. If you intend to trade up to get your guy, you need to trade all the way up to the top. What do you gain by trading up to #2 then having someone leapfrog you and taking your guy? (minus lost draft picks).

In the universe of hypotheticals, of course the idea of the trade is off until that pick is on the clock. I think the folks proposing the deals here are assuming AZ takes Bosa.

Why would you trade for that pick today, or why would you think people are proposing to trade for that pick today?  Come on.

It's looking more certain that Haskins will enter the draft.

Justin Fields the #1 recruit from 2018 is leaving Georgia and going to OSU.

(01-03-2019, 04:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 03:58 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]But what does taking them at their word of staying put really mean? What if they intend to stay put and we move up to #2, then NYG make them an offer they can't refuse. If we want him, we need to convince ARI to trade down. 

If the powers that be decide the talent gap between Haskins, Lock, Grier, etc, isn't significant enough, then they should stay put. It will take massive draft capital to move up to #1.

Well then what can you do? lol

These are all hypothetical but I can't imagine NYG putting together some blockbuster offer because they don't even have a 3rd rounder this year. If you're Arizona, you want a lot of picks this year and next. I'd be more worried about Oakland if they part ways with Carr considering their draft capital.

Don’t know about Arizona, but if I’m SF and NYG offered me their first and Odell for my first I’d take that deal in a heartbeat.

(01-04-2019, 02:08 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 04:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Well then what can you do? lol

These are all hypothetical but I can't imagine NYG putting together some blockbuster offer because they don't even have a 3rd rounder this year. If you're Arizona, you want a lot of picks this year and next. I'd be more worried about Oakland if they part ways with Carr considering their draft capital.

Don’t know about Arizona, but if I’m SF and NYG offered me their first and Odell for my first I’d take that deal in a heartbeat.

SF just may do that deal but there's no way NYG are offering that. They just made Odell the highest paid WR and their GM said Odell is going to be a big part of their plans for the future. The same GM gave no confidence towards Eli for next season though.

giants are all in on haskins. or it’s a smoke screen. maybe they don’t like him and will tank for tua

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i’m hoping we package anything to move to 4 w the raiders. i want haskins

(01-04-2019, 03:19 PM)ramseyx20 Wrote: [ -> ]giants are all in on haskins. or it’s a smoke screen. maybe they don’t like him and will tank for tua

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i’m hoping we package anything to move to 4 w the raiders. i want haskins

I'm not worried. Jaguars always settle and get the leftovers.  Lock, Jones and noodle arm Grier.   Chaaaammmmppppiiiiiooonnnnssshhiipppp

(01-04-2019, 05:58 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 03:19 PM)ramseyx20 Wrote: [ -> ]giants are all in on haskins. or it’s a smoke screen. maybe they don’t like him and will tank for tua

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i’m hoping we package anything to move to 4 w the raiders. i want haskins

I'm not worried. Jaguars always settle and get the leftovers.  Lock, Jones and noodle arm Grier.   Chaaaammmmppppiiiiiooonnnnssshhiipppp

"noodle arm Grier"  lol, clear you have never seen the guy play

(01-04-2019, 02:04 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ]It's looking more certain that Haskins will enter the draft.

Justin Fields the #1 recruit from 2018 is leaving Georgia and going to OSU.

His starting Center, Michael Jordan just declared early as well.

(01-05-2019, 09:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/dh_simba7_/status/10...0234387456

There's nothing there. It says page doesn't exist.

(01-05-2019, 11:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2019, 09:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/dh_simba7_/status/10...0234387456

There's nothing there. It says page doesn't exist.

It was a tweet from Haskins that sounded like he had declared for the draft.  Evidently it's since been deleted and he hasn't posted anything else related to it.

(01-05-2019, 11:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2019, 09:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/dh_simba7_/status/10...0234387456

There's nothing there. It says page doesn't exist.

Looks like it was a fake tweet saying Haskins officially declared, but it was taken down. I posted it as it was retweeted by a couple of known NFL writers.

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Jack - you're an [BLEEP]

(01-05-2019, 11:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2019, 11:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]There's nothing there. It says page doesn't exist.

Looks like it was a fake tweet saying Haskins officially declared, but it was taken down. I posted it as it was retweeted by a couple of known NFL writers.

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I can't ...  

Jack - you're an [BLEEP]

I don't know what you're talking about