Well Leftwich and Gabbert were second choice QBs. Palmer/Newton went before them. So before people go off on this look how it worked in the past ... they were second choices. Bortles was #3 overall and a total project. That QB class was absolutely terrible. Using those as examples as to saying why it hasn't worked out... is so dumb. We likely will be stuck with a second choice QB again. Only way to get the best guy is a higher pick and try to move to #1. Moving from 10 to 1 would be selling the absolute farm. Won't be done. 5 to 1? Yes this can happen. One more win and we've likely completely tied ourselves with the second choice.
(12-02-2018, 09:58 PM)SCJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]The same people whining about the Jags winning today are the same ones that would be losing their minds for the Jags losing 8 in a row.
No one knows what could happen leading up to the draft and to want to lose on purpose is just plain stupid. The fans that continue to stick by this team should be rewarded with every win the Jags can get...regardless of draft position.
Are there any Jags fans who weren't losing their minds over the 7 game losing streak?
(12-03-2018, 10:11 AM)Browntrouser Wrote: [ -> ]The 2019 Draft will not have any top 5 QB's and maybe not even a top 10.
That was the popular opinion of the 2017 draft class as well, and yet it yielded Watson, Mahomes, and Trubisky.
It was certainly fun to see the team win, but it still rings a bit hollow. Oh, what could have been.
And I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of drafting a new quarterback... No rookie QB has ever played in a Super Bowl, much less won one. I sure hope we can hit on one finally though.
You always play to win the game... NEVER for draft position. This is the NFL. It's PROFESSIONAL football. Being a professional means doing your job to the best of your ability. That's why coaches/players work as hard as they do to win the next game... no matter what. It's what they get paid to do.
My guess is that the people that think the team should play for draft position either a) play too much fantasy football or b) play too much Madden or similar games.
Look at the top 10 picks in the last 3 year's drafts. There aren't many on the list that are absolute game-changers or stars. The ones that I would list are as follows.
2015 DRAFT CLASS
Maybe Todd Gurley drafted at #10
Reaching Amari Cooper drafted at #4
2016 DRAFT CLASS
This draft class produced some very good players in the top 5. After the top 5 it drops off.
Jared Goff drafted #1
Carson Wentz drafted at #2
Joey Bosa drafted at #3
Ezekiel Elliott drafted at #4
Jalen Ramsey drafted at #5
2017 DRAFT CLASS
Only two stick out in my mind making a huge difference for their respective teams.
Leonard Fournette drafted at #4 - He makes a difference in our offense when he is playing.
Patrick Mahomes drafted at #10 - He has been playing lights out and is well worth his draft position.
My point is that getting a high draft pick doesn't always equal success. There are MANY players drafted near the top that turn into huge busts. We have one on the team now that was let go by his former team (Ereck Flowers drafted #9 in 2015) that is only on an NFL team due to injuries.
getting a high draft qb doesn't always work out either. anyone rember Ryan leaf a number 1 pick,he ended up with no fotball carraer after his 2-0 start he ended up loseingg more games then he won.
(12-03-2018, 06:14 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Leonard Fournette drafted at #4 - He makes a difference in our offense when he is playing.
I literally laughed out loud at including Fournette and not McCaffrey.
(12-02-2018, 06:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously.
I will never root against the Jags, no matter how frustrating they are playing.
Teams don’t and shouldn’t tank. And you should not root against them either.
I don’t care if it was 2-0 or 30-27 I’m just happy to have a fun Sunday again. Feels nice
Do you have season tickets?
(12-03-2018, 06:14 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]You always play to win the game... NEVER for draft position. This is the NFL. It's PROFESSIONAL football. Being a professional means doing your job to the best of your ability. That's why coaches/players work as hard as they do to win the next game... no matter what. It's what they get paid to do.
My guess is that the people that think the team should play for draft position either a) play too much fantasy football or b) play too much Madden or similar games.
Look at the top 10 picks in the last 3 year's drafts. There aren't many on the list that are absolute game-changers or stars. The ones that I would list are as follows.
2015 DRAFT CLASS
Maybe Todd Gurley drafted at #10
Reaching Amari Cooper drafted at #4
2016 DRAFT CLASS
This draft class produced some very good players in the top 5. After the top 5 it drops off.
Jared Goff drafted #1
Carson Wentz drafted at #2
Joey Bosa drafted at #3
Ezekiel Elliott drafted at #4
Jalen Ramsey drafted at #5
2017 DRAFT CLASS
Only two stick out in my mind making a huge difference for their respective teams.
Leonard Fournette drafted at #4 - He makes a difference in our offense when he is playing.
Patrick Mahomes drafted at #10 - He has been playing lights out and is well worth his draft position.
My point is that getting a high draft pick doesn't always equal success. There are MANY players drafted near the top that turn into huge busts. We have one on the team now that was let go by his former team (Ereck Flowers drafted #9 in 2015) that is only on an NFL team due to injuries.
Exactly. I mean are Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen taking their team to the playoff? Most QB's need a learning curve, Mahomes is a freak one off and plays in an O that gives him lots of options. He doesn't have to make the play, he just needs to find the open receiver.
I just can't get my head around Jags fans saying high picks gives you the best shot at talent. We are the example it doesn't!
(12-02-2018, 07:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never bash anyone who feels like you, but I'll also never bash anyone who realizes we just went from what would have been 3rd or 4th pick in the draft to 9th. That could easily cost us a franchise changing QB. There are multiple angles to look at it.
Nonsense. The team should play to win and not worry about draft position. If there's a player they covet enough in the draft, there's a way to cook up a deal to go get him.
(12-03-2018, 08:11 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2018, 07:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never bash anyone who feels like you, but I'll also never bash anyone who realizes we just went from what would have been 3rd or 4th pick in the draft to 9th. That could easily cost us a franchise changing QB. There are multiple angles to look at it.
Nonsense. The team should play to win and not worry about draft position. If there's a player they covet enough in the draft, there's a way to cook up a deal to go get him.
Cool, that brief dopamine shot of winning sure is worth potentially having to give up future starters or much needed depth by having to give up picks.
I'm obviously not saying what players and coaches do, if you're on the field you're trying as hard as possible. You have to feed your family. But fans, there is absolutely more than logical angle to look at.
Draft position doesn't guarantee squat. This locker room needed a W however they could get it. There were some gut-punching losses lately. Stacking losses is a dangerous thing for a team. It's hard to get out of that mentality/culture as we should all know.
(12-03-2018, 08:36 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 08:11 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Nonsense. The team should play to win and not worry about draft position. If there's a player they covet enough in the draft, there's a way to cook up a deal to go get him.
Cool, that brief dopamine shot of winning sure is worth potentially having to give up future starters or much needed depth by having to give up picks.
I'm obviously not saying what players and coaches do, if you're on the field you're trying as hard as possible. You have to feed your family. But fans, there is absolutely more than logical angle to look at.
Yes, let's be logical. I would love to see them lose every game when it's costing me $250 a pop plus parking to go see the games. Get a life.
(12-04-2018, 12:39 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Draft position doesn't guarantee squat. This locker room needed a W however they could get it. There were some gut-punching losses lately. Stacking losses is a dangerous thing for a team. It's hard to get out of that mentality/culture as we should all know.
You would think we all as fans would have learned this by now.
Not only do you have to draft a decent player....and remember the college players are supposed to be the best of the best.....
But, so much depends on the coaches and system you draft them into...and then....are they thrown into the fire? Or allowed to develop
and acclimate to the speed and fury of the pro's.
Bottom line it just isn't simple as drafting high.
I have to admit though, that when I saw that we were projected by some pundit the Jags were taking
Luck from Missouri.....images of Lame Gabbert flashed through my mind. Yikes!
Those who advocate tanking are the shining example of the soft vulnerable underbelly of our society. Those who will try to manipulate the system to their advantage even when that very manipulation shows a side of man kind that is the weakest of weak. To even mention it puts on display the pathetic timid nature of themselves.
(12-03-2018, 08:03 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2018, 06:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously.
I will never root against the Jags, no matter how frustrating they are playing.
Teams don’t and shouldn’t tank. And you should not root against them either.
I don’t care if it was 2-0 or 30-27 I’m just happy to have a fun Sunday again. Feels nice
Do you have season tickets?
I wish. I live four hours away and and I just can’t quite afford the expenses. I try and catch a home game every season or so
(12-03-2018, 08:03 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2018, 06:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously.
I will never root against the Jags, no matter how frustrating they are playing.
Teams don’t and shouldn’t tank. And you should not root against them either.
I don’t care if it was 2-0 or 30-27 I’m just happy to have a fun Sunday again. Feels nice
Do you have season tickets?
I do. Drive up from Winter Garden for every game. Was there last Sunday rooting for the Jags to WIN. I'll be there for the next (and last of the season) home game too. Rooting and making noise for another win. You?
(12-03-2018, 08:11 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2018, 07:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never bash anyone who feels like you, but I'll also never bash anyone who realizes we just went from what would have been 3rd or 4th pick in the draft to 9th. That could easily cost us a franchise changing QB. There are multiple angles to look at it.
Nonsense. The team should play to win and not worry about draft position. If there's a player they covet enough in the draft, there's a way to cook up a deal to go get him.
I don't think anyone is insinuating the players or coaches should not attempt to win at all costs, however, if games come down to last second field goals it sure wouldn't hurt to have us lose by 2 points rather than win by 1. A high draft pick is a valuable asset that can be used to trade down (for additional picks) or use as part of a trade package to obtain a quality QB.
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(12-04-2018, 11:15 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I don't recall asking you because I really don't care whether you have season tickets or not. Unlike the poor dude that's probably got his GED last year, you didn't start a thread telling others what to do.
Gotcha. Curious, though, do you have season tickets?
(12-03-2018, 06:36 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]getting a high draft qb doesn't always work out either. anyone rember Ryan leaf a number 1 pick,he ended up with no fotball carraer after his 2-0 start he ended up loseingg more games then he won.
I suggest you consult google on this one, snowy.
I would have been happy with that year's #1 pick, and as an added bonus we could have saved some funds on what we spent to redo the video boards a few years back by recycling ol' fivehead's helmet.
(12-03-2018, 08:03 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2018, 06:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously.
I will never root against the Jags, no matter how frustrating they are playing.
Teams don’t and shouldn’t tank. And you should not root against them either.
I don’t care if it was 2-0 or 30-27 I’m just happy to have a fun Sunday again. Feels nice
Do you have season tickets?
I do. And have since Day 1 - which means I've seen a whole lot of loses. I want to see the Jaguars win every damn game they can. It makes for a much more enjoyable game day experience.
(12-04-2018, 01:54 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2018, 12:52 PM)Perkolater Wrote: [ -> ]Gotcha. Curious, though, do you have season tickets?
Absolutely. Bought them when I moved here from DC; the same year we drafted Leftwich.
Wow, OK. I'm surprised you could still root for a loss in the stadium. I have to admit, I was kinda "meh" walking in, but once they kicked off, there was NO WAY I could not root for a win.
I get your point about draft position, but I just can't root against my team. I did mention on our way out that that would hurt our draft position, but was still glad to beat the colts.