(12-16-2018, 11:25 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 10:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Man.
Give. It. Up.
Blake sucks and won’t be back. Move on from him.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...next-week/
not too fast
lol
He says that after every single game. That's not a ringing endorsement for Blake. And when I say Blake won't be back, that's for 2019. Who cares about this season? Blakes time as a Jaguars is almost up and I couldn't be more ready for Haskins.
(12-16-2018, 05:02 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...I thought we wanted to tank? Now we want to win?
Me confused...
Try to keep up. It doesn't matter, win or lose, someone will complain. It's what Jag fans do.
(12-16-2018, 05:09 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]Are we going to fire every coach every other year, there needs to be stability. Keep Marrone and make coaching staff changes.
Marrone is coaching like someone who isn't expecting to be fired. My sense is that he's been given the green light by Coughlin to do exactly what he's doing here. Coughlin was never a Bortles fan, and I think he realized his mistake in extending BB5, and let Marrone have the final say in whether a change needed to be made at QB. You don't stick with a dumpster fire like Kessler if you're coaching for your job.
(12-16-2018, 05:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Before I ever read this thread, I told my wife that Marrone, right or wrong, has one more season. With that being said, I'm glad I chose to play golf instead of watching the game. Both games sucked.
While it wouldn't be a shock to see Marrone fired, I think he's got another year left.. He's going to have to clean house with the coaching staff (minus DeCamillis), but I don't really think he's going anywhere.
(12-16-2018, 05:13 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 05:08 PM)J-Mizzal Wrote: [ -> ]We dont need to rebuild, the defense is fine, number 6 in the NFL, they are not as good as last year in sacks and ints, but that has to do with terrible offense not having leads
We need to rebuild the offense, QB and big time WR to go with Dede and fix the OL
I agree we should get a new HC
No. Teams have figured Wash's predictable defense out. To go with that, guys seem to have regressed this year. Every starting defenders numbers are worse.
Is there some magical defensive scheme being executed in the NFL or any other football venue that hasn't been figured out? That is possibly the weakest argument on the planet. The fact that the defense is constantly put in a position where they have their backs against the wall because of an inept offense certainly plays into some of the struggles. It's not entirely because of that, but that is a huge contributing factor. Every scheme has ultimately been figured out. It comes down to execution, and things have gotten sloppier as the season has progressed.
That being said, Wash probably does end up fired when the season ends, not because they figured him out. But, because his unit has been consistently undisciplined. It was okay last year because they were able to back up their swagger with production. When the production came back to earth, the antics only made things worse. There's too much talent on that defense to see them giving up huge plays so consistently.
(12-16-2018, 05:27 PM)jrvegeeta Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 04:57 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]No excuses.
Just lost to a rejected QB at the last home game. He is who we think he is.
In fact, fire Caldwell and Coughlin.
Burn it down and start over.
This is why other fans laugh at us - because of dumb comments like this. Do you seriously think that’s going to fix this current problem? Most of our starters on offense went down early in the season (and stayed down). The only questionable pick was Bortles, and even then, he might have turned out a bit better if we didn’t hire a first time coach who was in over his head and had no idea how to work with and improve a young QB.
Firing Marrone may or may not work, but firing the people who drafted 3/4 of our defense WITHOUT A BETTER REPLACEMENT is absolutely moronic. While I do agree that it is time for the Jags to move on from Bortles, it’s not time blow up this team. Now, if the next drafted QB turns out in a similar way, THEN we can start throwing stones...
Bingo.
Firing Marrone would ultimately create an environment where you're going to have a tough time finding a legitimate head coach to replace him. What coach is going to look at the history of the coaching carousel here over the past 5 or so years and think "That's where I want to go"?
(12-16-2018, 05:30 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 05:09 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Guys we are tanking:
https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/107...10593?s=21
That or the team is finally fed up with Fournette.
Based on his average, he really needs to consider having his name legally changed to Threenette.
(12-16-2018, 05:32 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Good franchises don't fire the coach less than a year after ending the best season the team has had in 18 years.
It's still undetermined if this is a good franchise or not, so it's quite possible they screw this up. I'm hoping that Tom will steady things this off season and make a few critical moves that lead us back to the "good franchise" path.
FBT,
You assert Marrone isn't coaching like his job is on the line because he's sticking with Kessler. What are we to make of his dismissal of Hackett within that context?
On a related note, if Marrone is expected to clean house in his coaching staff (I am not sold that is the case), Offensive coordinator is of paramount importance.
One guy I would consider if circumstances permit is former Jaguars OC Bobby Petrino.
He knows the NFL and is familiar with Coughlin and Jacksonville.
However, his collegiate offenses have been quite successful using some more modern and contemporary offensive approaches. Lamar Jackson was successful in his system.
With his crashes and burns (no pun intended) at Arkansas and Louisville, he may realize his viability as a head coaching prospect may be past the expiration date.
But he still ma be able to bring a fresh approach to the offense here.
The main question I may have in my mind is whether he alienated TC (or vice versa) while he was here earlier.
(12-17-2018, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]On a related note, if Marrone is expected to clean house in his coaching staff (I am not sold that is the case), Offensive coordinator is of paramount importance.
I would like to see Wash get let go as well and Perry Fewell given a shot at the DC position. Agree with FBT on Decamillis staying he a great coach.
(12-17-2018, 10:36 AM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]On a related note, if Marrone is expected to clean house in his coaching staff (I am not sold that is the case), Offensive coordinator is of paramount importance.
I would like to see Wash get let go as well and Perry Fewell given a shot at the DC position. Agree with FBT on Decamillis staying he a great coach.
Players have had the occasional gripe with his playcalling. So have I.
But last year, the team was 2nd overall in defense, and even with the drop, it is still a top ten defense.
That doesn't scream "dismissal worthy" to me.
(12-16-2018, 09:16 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 08:49 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]I am just ready to sweep this season under the rug. Very disappointing follow-up to last season. I guess we had our one good run for the next 20 years.
nope only until nfl moves team to london. then Jags will start winning a lot cause they will be a big market team. NFL won't alloew a small market team like Jacksonville to win super bowl ever.
Please stop posting until a small market team win the super bowl (hint:
AGAIN) or you discover google.com
(12-17-2018, 10:42 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 10:36 AM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see Wash get let go as well and Perry Fewell given a shot at the DC position. Agree with FBT on Decamillis staying he a great coach.
Players have had the occasional gripe with his playcalling. So have I.
But last year, the team was 2nd overall in defense, and even with the drop, it is still a top ten defense.
That doesn't scream "dismissal worthy" to me.
Just imagine if he had a blitz package in his arsenal.
We barely blitz and he depends on the ability of a four man front too much. He has two of the best CB's!! Play man more and blitz more. Change it up a bit. To me it looks like a standard zone and standard four man front that been figured out already. Innovate some please! Confuse the offense. The seahawks legion of boom crap has been figured out.
(12-17-2018, 11:02 AM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 10:42 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Players have had the occasional gripe with his playcalling. So have I.
But last year, the team was 2nd overall in defense, and even with the drop, it is still a top ten defense.
That doesn't scream "dismissal worthy" to me.
Just imagine if he had a blitz package in his arsenal.
We barely blitz and he depends on the ability of a four man front too much. He has two of the best CB's!! Play man more and blitz more. Change it up a bit. To me it looks like a standard zone and standard four man front that been figured out already. Innovate some please! Confuse the offense. The seahawks legion of boom crap has been figured out.
Well, those are my gripes with him, too.
Though I question whether we have the safeties to run the 46 derivative scheme of Jim Schwartz,it would be interesting to see someone like him run that scheme with our personnel.
(12-16-2018, 05:38 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is running behind NO LINE. Enough said! As questionable as I think LF is, there are not too many RB's that can run behind this line.
Dave Williams did alright in his debut with that same line. Fournette is a bust man. Add on the quarterbacks we passed right behind him amps his bust status to a higher level.
(12-17-2018, 09:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 11:25 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...next-week/
not too fast
lol
He says that after every single game. That's not a ringing endorsement for Blake. And when I say Blake won't be back, that's for 2019. Who cares about this season? Blakes time as a Jaguars is almost up and I couldn't be more ready for Haskins.
Actually the same reporter ask him the same question since he switched to Kessler. Who is starting next game. The last 2 weeks the anser was a difinitive Cody Kessler. This week asked same question he has to look at tape(means check with front office) and then decide.
If Caldwell goes, Marrone should probably go too. If we hire a new GM, let's not tie them to a coach they didn't hand pick.
(12-17-2018, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]FBT,
You assert Marrone isn't coaching like his job is on the line because he's sticking with Kessler. What are we to make of his dismissal of Hackett within that context?
On a related note, if Marrone is expected to clean house in his coaching staff (I am not sold that is the case), Offensive coordinator is of paramount importance.
One guy I would consider if circumstances permit is former Jaguars OC Bobby Petrino.
He knows the NFL and is familiar with Coughlin and Jacksonville.
However, his collegiate offenses have been quite successful using some more modern and contemporary offensive approaches. Lamar Jackson was successful in his system.
With his crashes and burns (no pun intended) at Arkansas and Louisville, he may realize his viability as a head coaching prospect may be past the expiration date.
But he still ma be able to bring a fresh approach to the offense here.
The main question I may have in my mind is whether he alienated TC (or vice versa) while he was here earlier.
I think he's coaching like his job isn't on the line because not only is he sticking with Kessler, but he's playing guys to evaluate them instead of trying to win the last few games. I don't actually have a problem with that to be honest. I like Marrone, and feel like this approach is an honest attempt to look at guys who may or may not be on the roster next year. There are going to be some significant personnel decisions that need to be made since we're unloading some high priced guys to clear the deck for cap room. Had this been a situation where Marrone was coaching for his job, I don't think we would have seen Bortles benched permanently, or Fournette given one snap in the second half of a game.
I think Hackett was sent packing because he was an advocate for Bortles, and benching Blake while sticking with him at OC would have created unnecessary tension there. I think that firing was probably signed off on by Coughlin, and ultimately sent a message to Caldwell that his time here is quickly coming to a close.
I wouldn't have a problem with Petrino, especially since he'll be working with a young QB. I would like to see them find the right QB coach to help with that development. There are some good ones out there. Might be intersting to bring in a guy like Ken Zampese in Cleveland. He's done one heck of a job bringing Mayfield along.
I don't think Petrino did anything to alienate himself from Coughlin, unless his antics since leaving here have soured TC.
(12-19-2018, 12:49 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]If Caldwell goes, Marrone should probably go too. If we hire a new GM, let's not tie them to a coach they didn't hand pick.
If we hire a new GM, it's probably going to be a lot like when we hired an offensive coordinator when Tom was the head coach.
(12-19-2018, 12:49 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]If Caldwell goes, Marrone should probably go too. If we hire a new GM, let's not tie them to a coach they didn't hand pick.
The GM Coughlin will be putting in place wont be making the final calls on coaching or personnel. Tom will be.
It's pretty likely our new GM is gonna be Chris Polian
(12-19-2018, 07:02 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]FBT,
You assert Marrone isn't coaching like his job is on the line because he's sticking with Kessler. What are we to make of his dismissal of Hackett within that context?
On a related note, if Marrone is expected to clean house in his coaching staff (I am not sold that is the case), Offensive coordinator is of paramount importance.
One guy I would consider if circumstances permit is former Jaguars OC Bobby Petrino.
He knows the NFL and is familiar with Coughlin and Jacksonville.
However, his collegiate offenses have been quite successful using some more modern and contemporary offensive approaches. Lamar Jackson was successful in his system.
With his crashes and burns (no pun intended) at Arkansas and Louisville, he may realize his viability as a head coaching prospect may be past the expiration date.
But he still ma be able to bring a fresh approach to the offense here.
The main question I may have in my mind is whether he alienated TC (or vice versa) while he was here earlier.
I think he's coaching like his job isn't on the line because not only is he sticking with Kessler, but he's playing guys to evaluate them instead of trying to win the last few games. I don't actually have a problem with that to be honest. I like Marrone, and feel like this approach is an honest attempt to look at guys who may or may not be on the roster next year. There are going to be some significant personnel decisions that need to be made since we're unloading some high priced guys to clear the deck for cap room. Had this been a situation where Marrone was coaching for his job, I don't think we would have seen Bortles benched permanently, or Fournette given one snap in the second half of a game.
I think Hackett was sent packing because he was an advocate for Bortles, and benching Blake while sticking with him at OC would have created unnecessary tension there. I think that firing was probably signed off on by Coughlin, and ultimately sent a message to Caldwell that his time here is quickly coming to a close.
I wouldn't have a problem with Petrino, especially since he'll be working with a young QB. I would like to see them find the right QB coach to help with that development. There are some good ones out there. Might be intersting to bring in a guy like Ken Zampese in Cleveland. He's done one heck of a job bringing Mayfield along.
I don't think Petrino did anything to alienate himself from Coughlin, unless his antics since leaving here have soured TC.
Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot of sense.
I forgot all about Zampese. I would be thrilled with him here. Of course, I'd also want the team to consider Todd Haley and Kliff Kingsbury.
FBT you forgot to menttion one thiing. our Oline stinks when we lose a first string guy. we need better back ups that can play first string. lots of teams in nfl have good back ups everywere except the jags. it seems
(12-20-2018, 09:19 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]FBT you forgot to menttion one thiing. our Oline stinks when we lose a first string guy. we need better back ups that can play first string. lots of teams in nfl have good back ups everywere except the jags. it seems
Wolfie, that's going to be true for pretty much any team when you see all 5 of your starters miss playing time or wind up on the IR. The Jags could absorb one or two guys going down, but we're on our 4th LT, our 3rd LG, our second Center, our RG has missed playing time, and we're down to #2 at RT. No team is going ot absorb that effectively and continue to produce at a high level.
(12-19-2018, 10:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2018, 07:02 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I think he's coaching like his job isn't on the line because not only is he sticking with Kessler, but he's playing guys to evaluate them instead of trying to win the last few games. I don't actually have a problem with that to be honest. I like Marrone, and feel like this approach is an honest attempt to look at guys who may or may not be on the roster next year. There are going to be some significant personnel decisions that need to be made since we're unloading some high priced guys to clear the deck for cap room. Had this been a situation where Marrone was coaching for his job, I don't think we would have seen Bortles benched permanently, or Fournette given one snap in the second half of a game.
I think Hackett was sent packing because he was an advocate for Bortles, and benching Blake while sticking with him at OC would have created unnecessary tension there. I think that firing was probably signed off on by Coughlin, and ultimately sent a message to Caldwell that his time here is quickly coming to a close.
I wouldn't have a problem with Petrino, especially since he'll be working with a young QB. I would like to see them find the right QB coach to help with that development. There are some good ones out there. Might be intersting to bring in a guy like Ken Zampese in Cleveland. He's done one heck of a job bringing Mayfield along.
I don't think Petrino did anything to alienate himself from Coughlin, unless his antics since leaving here have soured TC.
Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot of sense.
I forgot all about Zampese. I would be thrilled with him here. Of course, I'd also want the team to consider Todd Haley and Kliff Kingsbury.
Haley or Kingsbury would be interesting. Haley would be particularly interesting if he'd be willing to take on a role similar to what Marrone had before he took over for Bradley serving as a position coach (OL) and assistant head coach. I think that's the only way you could really lure Haley in to be our QB coach. What is clear is this team needs to nail it with the QB coach situation if they want to develop a young draft pick quickly and effectively.
I would love for the Jags to bring in McCarthy in an OC/Assit HC role. That way if Doug fails, we can easily promote McCarthy to the head gig.