04-20-2019, 02:20 PM
04-20-2019, 02:20 PM
04-20-2019, 02:48 PM
(04-20-2019, 09:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](04-19-2019, 09:27 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You just said it yourself, April 17...
How much pain and suffering is going to be endured right now with some conditioning drills and weight lifting? And even then, I think it's still limited per the CBA rules anyways. It's not the 90's anymore when Coughlin could run his team into the dirt every workout/practice.
I get what you're trying to say with the team building and grind, but that's not going to happen yet, it's not that time. Hell, the draft hasn't even taken place. We don't even have rookies in the building yet man. Pretty hard to have team building when there's a good chunk of players who aren't even on the team yet.
While I don’t have an issue with jalen and telvin skipping this, if they happened to be offensive players, I might feel differently.
Foles answered a question the other day about the new offense and the learning curve associated and in that answer he asserted that they have begun the install.
So, while this is a conditioning thing, it would appear that the offense is at least being given something to begin chewing on so they can get familiar with the new terminology.
Well that's because the Offense is beyond garbage and they're installing a new playbook for it.
These workouts are all about getting your playbook, conditioning and lifting. I'm sure there's a little talk with the coaches, but I doubt there's very much going on per the CBA rules.
(04-20-2019, 01:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ](04-19-2019, 08:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]So from me saying that "I think Coughlin is doing more harm than good", means I said Ramsey should be in control of the team?
Are you being serious right now? Because if you are, you got some comprehension problems dude.
If Foles skipped would it be ok?
Foles isn't good enough to be skipping any workout, or practice. He needs all the work and help he can get.
04-20-2019, 11:33 PM
I just heard it earlier today. This is a non issue. That speech was probably written months ago. and as you listen to it, it is simply talking about team and unity in general, and not directed at anyone at all.
04-21-2019, 09:08 AM
(04-20-2019, 02:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](04-20-2019, 09:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]While I don’t have an issue with jalen and telvin skipping this, if they happened to be offensive players, I might feel differently.
Foles answered a question the other day about the new offense and the learning curve associated and in that answer he asserted that they have begun the install.
So, while this is a conditioning thing, it would appear that the offense is at least being given something to begin chewing on so they can get familiar with the new terminology.
Well that's because the Offense is beyond garbage and they're installing a new playbook for it.
These workouts are all about getting your playbook, conditioning and lifting. I'm sure there's a little talk with the coaches, but I doubt there's very much going on per the CBA rules.
(04-20-2019, 01:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If Foles skipped would it be ok?
Foles isn't good enough to be skipping any workout, or practice. He needs all the work and help he can get.
But it "voluntary " So now it depends on how good you are if it's ok to skip voluntary training camp?
04-21-2019, 11:17 AM
(04-21-2019, 09:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ](04-20-2019, 02:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Well that's because the Offense is beyond garbage and they're installing a new playbook for it.
These workouts are all about getting your playbook, conditioning and lifting. I'm sure there's a little talk with the coaches, but I doubt there's very much going on per the CBA rules.
Foles isn't good enough to be skipping any workout, or practice. He needs all the work and help he can get.
But it "voluntary " So now it depends on how good you are if it's ok to skip voluntary training camp?
Is the concept really so difficult to grasp?
The team has made it clear they want everyone there.
Offensive players would be foolish not to begin getting a jump on a new playbook with new terminology.
Defensive players that consider missing have slightly more rope with which to hang themselves, but if you’re going to skip it, you’d better feel you’re valuable enough to the team to live through a little time in the dog house with some of the staff. (Be able to survive some scrutiny)
So yes, if you’re not good enough to have a starting role cemented in April, your [BLEEP] had better be there buttering up to the teacher, doing all of those extra credit assignments and leaving a fresh Apple on the desk on your way out the door each day.
04-21-2019, 11:23 AM
It really doesn't matter at all
04-21-2019, 11:43 AM
(04-21-2019, 11:23 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It really doesn't matter at all
When the guy that ultimately drops the gavel on every personnel decision for the team decides to make a big deal out of it at a press event, it clearly matters to him.
The consequence is little to none if you show up in shape and do your job in June/July.
But what if you’ve garnered Coughlin’s attention by no-showing and then you get hurt in mini camp - giving another player time to earn your spot?
There are scenarios where it could be detrimental to a bubble player for sure. For those players — Why unnecessarily drop your stock within the building?
04-21-2019, 12:01 PM
(04-21-2019, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](04-21-2019, 11:23 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It really doesn't matter at all
When the guy that ultimately drops the gavel on every personnel decision for the team decides to make a big deal out of it at a press event, it clearly matters to him.
The consequence is little to none if you show up in shape and do your job in June/July.
But what if you’ve garnered Coughlin’s attention by no-showing and then you get hurt in mini camp - giving another player time to earn your spot?
There are scenarios where it could be detrimental to a bubble player for sure. For those players — Why unnecessarily drop your stock within the building?
I'm talking Telvin and Ramsey. A 3rd string fullback isn't going to skip workouts.
As long as they go to camp and put in the work it will have zero bearing, and with Ramsey he can probably skip it all and still be his usual self on game day if we're being honest. The only detriment there is the media aspect and any possible team chemistry stuff , which likely is fine.
04-21-2019, 12:57 PM
(04-21-2019, 11:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](04-21-2019, 09:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]But it "voluntary " So now it depends on how good you are if it's ok to skip voluntary training camp?
Is the concept really so difficult to grasp?
The team has made it clear they want everyone there.
Offensive players would be foolish not to begin getting a jump on a new playbook with new terminology.
Defensive players that consider missing have slightly more rope with which to hang themselves, but if you’re going to skip it, you’d better feel you’re valuable enough to the team to live through a little time in the dog house with some of the staff. (Be able to survive some scrutiny)
So yes, if you’re not good enough to have a starting role cemented in April, your [BLEEP] had better be there buttering up to the teacher, doing all of those extra credit assignments and leaving a fresh Apple on the desk on your way out the door each day.
It's not difficult to grasp at all. Last year was the first year Ramsey skipped it and was his worst year as a pro. He was still good last year but not close to his 2017 year. Players have personal life and sometimes things might come up and I understand, like last year Ramsey had a baby and he skipped it and it was no big deal. Someone on FB said Telvin is skipping it because he has heard his name in trade rumors. Has anyone heard that's why Telvin didn't show up?
It would be nice if they were there but by training camp it will be a non issue
04-21-2019, 01:50 PM
(04-21-2019, 12:01 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ](04-21-2019, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When the guy that ultimately drops the gavel on every personnel decision for the team decides to make a big deal out of it at a press event, it clearly matters to him.
The consequence is little to none if you show up in shape and do your job in June/July.
But what if you’ve garnered Coughlin’s attention by no-showing and then you get hurt in mini camp - giving another player time to earn your spot?
There are scenarios where it could be detrimental to a bubble player for sure. For those players — Why unnecessarily drop your stock within the building?
I'm talking Telvin and Ramsey. A 3rd string fullback isn't going to skip workouts.
As long as they go to camp and put in the work it will have zero bearing, and with Ramsey he can probably skip it all and still be his usual self on game day if we're being honest. The only detriment there is the media aspect and any possible team chemistry stuff , which likely is fine.
Agreed
(04-21-2019, 12:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ](04-21-2019, 11:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Is the concept really so difficult to grasp?
The team has made it clear they want everyone there.
Offensive players would be foolish not to begin getting a jump on a new playbook with new terminology.
Defensive players that consider missing have slightly more rope with which to hang themselves, but if you’re going to skip it, you’d better feel you’re valuable enough to the team to live through a little time in the dog house with some of the staff. (Be able to survive some scrutiny)
So yes, if you’re not good enough to have a starting role cemented in April, your [BLEEP] had better be there buttering up to the teacher, doing all of those extra credit assignments and leaving a fresh Apple on the desk on your way out the door each day.
It's not difficult to grasp at all. Last year was the first year Ramsey skipped it and was his worst year as a pro. He was still good last year but not close to his 2017 year. Players have personal life and sometimes things might come up and I understand, like last year Ramsey had a baby and he skipped it and it was no big deal. Someone on FB said Telvin is skipping it because he has heard his name in trade rumors. Has anyone heard that's why Telvin didn't show up?
It would be nice if they were there but by training camp it will be a non issue
It’s only speculation/rumor.
Telvin’s reasoning is not known.
04-22-2019, 12:01 PM
(04-21-2019, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](04-21-2019, 11:23 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It really doesn't matter at all
When the guy that ultimately drops the gavel on every personnel decision for the team decides to make a big deal out of it at a press event, it clearly matters to him.
The consequence is little to none if you show up in shape and do your job in June/July.
But what if you’ve garnered Coughlin’s attention by no-showing and then you get hurt in mini camp - giving another player time to earn your spot?
There are scenarios where it could be detrimental to a bubble player for sure. For those players — Why unnecessarily drop your stock within the building?
I think people need to go actually listen to what the man said. Highly doubting he was doing anything other than talking about team bonding and the need for everyone being all in. I don’t get the supposed singling out of anyone at all in listening to it, especially in context to the event, basically like a season starter.
04-22-2019, 08:16 PM
(04-20-2019, 11:33 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard it earlier today. This is a non issue. That speech was probably written months ago. and as you listen to it, it is simply talking about team and unity in general, and not directed at anyone at all.
Not sure if I completely buy this.
Victor Cruz, who played under TC with the Giants, said his tone was a flashback to the butt chewing he gave to the team when he was mad.
This is how Oesher characterized it...
Quote:Marrone said he and retired NFL tight end Marcus Pollard, the team’s director of player development, both had the wrong number for Ramsey and didn’t realize it until after Coughlin ripped Ramsey and linebacker Telvin Smith for their absences. Marrone also said Ramsey had been in contact with his position coach, Tim Walton.(Emphasis added)
04-23-2019, 01:01 PM
Leveon Bell a no show
04-23-2019, 06:58 PM
(04-23-2019, 01:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Leveon Bell a no show
Hahahaha
04-24-2019, 11:37 AM
(04-23-2019, 01:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Leveon Bell a no show
Wonder if the coach has the right number.
04-24-2019, 12:12 PM
Tom received a warning from the league
04-24-2019, 01:42 PM
(04-24-2019, 12:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Tom received a warning from the league
Fake news.
04-24-2019, 01:44 PM
04-24-2019, 01:50 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26595...-voluntary
Quote:The NFL has sent a warning letter to Tom Coughlin, the [font=Georgia,]Jacksonville Jaguars' executive vice president of football operations, about his criticism of players not attending voluntary offseason workouts, a source told ESPN's Dan Graziano on Wednesday.[/font]
Coughlin was not fined, but another source told Graziano that the letter warned Coughlin and the Jaguars that future comments could lead to discipline in the form of a fine or possible loss of OTA practice days.
04-24-2019, 01:50 PM
(04-22-2019, 08:16 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](04-20-2019, 11:33 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard it earlier today. This is a non issue. That speech was probably written months ago. and as you listen to it, it is simply talking about team and unity in general, and not directed at anyone at all.
Not sure if I completely buy this.
Victor Cruz, who played under TC with the Giants, said his tone was a flashback to the butt chewing he gave to the team when he was mad.
This is how Oesher characterized it...
Quote:Marrone said he and retired NFL tight end Marcus Pollard, the team’s director of player development, both had the wrong number for Ramsey and didn’t realize it until after Coughlin ripped Ramsey and linebacker Telvin Smith for their absences. Marrone also said Ramsey had been in contact with his position coach, Tim Walton.(Emphasis added)
I am talking I listened to it myself, so how Oesher characterizes things to me, after his colleagues reported on it for their own story means little to me.
Also, this wasn't directed at the team, and so no team directed tone/scolding should be inferred, as in it should not be in terms of a scolding, because that is not what the speech was to begin with. It was more of a teams come together and suffer together, and the whole team should be there. I wonder if Cruz listened to it....
Seriously overblown.