(10-22-2019, 04:35 PM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 04:31 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I will give you that getting rid of Hyde after using a pick to get him was a waste.
The QB move was not (and I'm betting after Big Ben went down Pit was regretting sending him off)
Where is Tanner Lee playing currently, btw?
Not even on a PS squad for any team?
You know jack about [BLEEP] boy. Sit down and be quiet lol
Tanner Lee is awful, that’s not the point.
Right your point is that somehow that 5th round pick is going to drastically change our roster for the better more than Dobbs would
You don't know that. Many 5th rounders last less than 3 seasons or are PS fodder for their careers.
Using late round picks to try and salvage a season isn't a bad move. (The bad move was not holding on to Hyde after using said capital)
And with the QB room, Minshew could have stunk it up and been 0-4 in his first 4 starts and we'd want to have another option this year.
You are (more than likely) very alone in your whining of the "misuse" of this pick
What happens to Dobbs, he goes on IR with a phantom injury and becomes a camp body next year.
(10-22-2019, 04:40 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 04:35 PM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]Tanner Lee is awful, that’s not the point.
Right your point is that somehow that 5th round pick is going to drastically change our roster for the better more than Dobbs would
You don't know that. Many 5th rounders last less than 3 seasons or are PS fodder for their careers.
Using late round picks to try and salvage a season isn't a bad move. (The bad move was not holding on to Hyde after using said capital)
And with the QB room, Minshew could have stunk it up and been 0-4 in his first 4 starts and we'd want to have another option this year.
You are (more than likely) very alone in your whining of the "misuse" of this pick
“Drastically change our roster for the better”. Hmm, don’t recall saying that. If we were 0-4 in Minshews starts I’d still rather have the pick than Dobbs. As a pattern, I don’t want to give up draft capital, whatever it may be, if it isn’t getting us closer to the ultimate goal of winning a super bowl. A third string QB isn’t. It reeks of a front office doing whatever it takes to stay borderline competitive to save their jobs. Same with the Hyde trade. As a fan, my expectations are higher. Just my opinion, don’t really care if you don’t agree or if I’m “very alone”. I’m not looking for some majority vote just stating my opinion. This front office has made good decisions and bad ones. I think this was a bad one.
(10-22-2019, 04:42 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]What happens to Dobbs, he goes on IR with a phantom injury and becomes a camp body next year.
Most likely!
Complete waste of a pick. Like the guy was gonna win us any games.
(10-22-2019, 05:21 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Complete waste of a pick. Like the guy was gonna win us any games.
Which QB would have been better for a 5th round pick to back up an unknown 6th round pick when Foles got injured? How many 5th round picks have actually been good enough to help the team? Last I checked, the last 5th round pick worth much of anything was Josh Scobee in 2004. A case might have been made for Telvin Smith picked in 2014, but he quit. So just how valuable is a 5th round pick?
I say keep him cause jags have really really bad luck with players getting injuryed,and lots of times to it seems to be key players on the team.
Trade him back to Pittsburg for a 4th LOL!
(10-22-2019, 05:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 05:21 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Complete waste of a pick. Like the guy was gonna win us any games.
Which QB would have been better for a 5th round pick to back up an unknown 6th round pick when Foles got injured? How many 5th round picks have actually been good enough to help the team? Last I checked, the last 5th round pick worth much of anything was Josh Scobee in 2004. A case might have been made for Telvin Smith picked in 2014, but he quit. So just how valuable is a 5th round pick?
Dobbs isn't anything special. Keep the pick and go sign someone off the street like Kessler. You're going to lose either way, I'd rather be losing with the 5th round pick than without it.
Yeah, odds are your 5th round pick is likely going to be cut in a season or two. But there is always the chnace you'll get lucky.
Desmond King, George Kittle, DJ Reader, Tyreek Hill are just a few really, really good 5th round picks over the past couple years.
And hell, the Seahawks just traded a 5th for an actual solid player in Quandre Diggs. That's what winning franchise do with draft picks.
(10-22-2019, 04:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 03:05 PM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]If we are in the situation of deciding on a 3rd stringer, the season is over, especially with this roster. You can have your mediocre goals I’d rather save draft capital and build a sustained winning culture around here. You and your boy Dobbs can laugh at me all you want but yes, I’d still rather have Tanner Lee and a fifth round pick. Same with the Hyde trade. Sorry but the front office does make mistakes and these are two examples. You can argue but you’d be wrong. Haha haha laugh it up!
Hyde was a stupid trade. Dobbs is a young QB with a bunch of impressive preseason performances under his belt. Again, this is a guy who would be starting right now for the Steelers had Mason Rudolph not been sitting there much later than they--
Know what? That second joke. You don't get it.
Did you watch Dobbs in the preseason? He was terrible. He was 18 of 33 with 0 touchdowns and 2 Interceptions. He was erratic and reckless, which is why the Steelers drafted Rudolph. He just failed to progress from the time they drafted him. We got hosed on that deal! When Rudolph was out with a concussion, they brought a guy in off the street to start for them against the Chargers, in a real game. Devlin led them to a victory with better stats than Dobbs had all preseason.
(10-22-2019, 06:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 04:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Hyde was a stupid trade. Dobbs is a young QB with a bunch of impressive preseason performances under his belt. Again, this is a guy who would be starting right now for the Steelers had Mason Rudolph not been sitting there much later than they--
Know what? That second joke. You don't get it.
Did you watch Dobbs in the preseason? He was terrible. He was 18 of 33 with 0 touchdowns and 2 Interceptions. He was erratic and reckless, which is why the Steelers drafted Rudolph. He just failed to progress from the time they drafted him. We got hosed on that deal! When Rudolph was out with a concussion, they brought a guy in off the street to start for them against the Chargers, in a real game. Devlin led them to a victory with better stats than Dobbs had all preseason.
Watch out! If you disagree with him he might start telling really complicated jokes! He’s very witty.
(10-22-2019, 06:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 04:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Hyde was a stupid trade. Dobbs is a young QB with a bunch of impressive preseason performances under his belt. Again, this is a guy who would be starting right now for the Steelers had Mason Rudolph not been sitting there much later than they--
Know what? That second joke. You don't get it.
Did you watch Dobbs in the preseason? He was terrible. He was 18 of 33 with 0 touchdowns and 2 Interceptions. He was erratic and reckless, which is why the Steelers drafted Rudolph. He just failed to progress from the time they drafted him. We got hosed on that deal! When Rudolph was out with a concussion, they brought a guy in off the street to start for them against the Chargers, in a real game. Devlin led them to a victory with better stats than Dobbs had all preseason.
He killed it last year in the preseason
(10-22-2019, 06:15 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 05:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Which QB would have been better for a 5th round pick to back up an unknown 6th round pick when Foles got injured? How many 5th round picks have actually been good enough to help the team? Last I checked, the last 5th round pick worth much of anything was Josh Scobee in 2004. A case might have been made for Telvin Smith picked in 2014, but he quit. So just how valuable is a 5th round pick?
Desmond King, George Kittle, DJ Reader, Tyreek Hill are just a few really, really good 5th round picks over the past couple years.
And hell, the Seahawks just traded a 5th for an actual solid player in Quandre Diggs. That's what winning franchise do with draft picks.
That's some mighty fine cherry picking of 5th round picks there.
(10-23-2019, 09:02 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 06:15 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]Desmond King, George Kittle, DJ Reader, Tyreek Hill are just a few really, really good 5th round picks over the past couple years.
And hell, the Seahawks just traded a 5th for an actual solid player in Quandre Diggs. That's what winning franchise do with draft picks.
That's some mighty fine cherry picking of 5th round picks there.
So should we just ignore facts to fit your narrative?
(10-23-2019, 09:59 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2019, 09:02 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]That's some mighty fine cherry picking of 5th round picks there.
So should we just ignore facts to fit your narrative?
The thing about the fifth rounder trades is that you have to get value.
They needed a RB really badly when they got Hyde but they didn't use or keep him around enough to get value.
That was a fail.
With Dobbs - it was again driven by an immediate need due to injury - and if they still rate him highly at year's end and keep him into next season he could become a long term back-up/ developmental prospect. Especially if they trade Foles ahead of the deadline in 2020 or prior to 2021.
He still has a chance to be worthy of the traded pick IMO. If he's jettisoned before next September, it's another fail.
(10-22-2019, 06:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 04:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Hyde was a stupid trade. Dobbs is a young QB with a bunch of impressive preseason performances under his belt. Again, this is a guy who would be starting right now for the Steelers had Mason Rudolph not been sitting there much later than they--
Know what? That second joke. You don't get it.
Did you watch Dobbs in the preseason? He was terrible. He was 18 of 33 with 0 touchdowns and 2 Interceptions. He was erratic and reckless, which is why the Steelers drafted Rudolph. He just failed to progress from the time they drafted him. We got hosed on that deal! When Rudolph was out with a concussion, they brought a guy in off the street to start for them against the Chargers, in a real game. Devlin led them to a victory with better stats than Dobbs had all preseason.
Minshew was also terrible in preseason
(10-23-2019, 09:59 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2019, 09:02 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]That's some mighty fine cherry picking of 5th round picks there.
So should we just ignore facts to fit your narrative?
Shall we go down the list of all 5th round picks in the last say, 5 years, and see how many are still even rostered much less the stars you named?
Talk about narratives haha what a dolt.
Never ceases to amaze me how many of you fools come on here spewing your knowledge only to be proven to know little to nothing of the subject in which you speak on.
(10-23-2019, 10:31 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 06:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Did you watch Dobbs in the preseason? He was terrible. He was 18 of 33 with 0 touchdowns and 2 Interceptions. He was erratic and reckless, which is why the Steelers drafted Rudolph. He just failed to progress from the time they drafted him. We got hosed on that deal! When Rudolph was out with a concussion, they brought a guy in off the street to start for them against the Chargers, in a real game. Devlin led them to a victory with better stats than Dobbs had all preseason.
Minshew was also terrible in preseason
(10-23-2019, 09:59 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]So should we just ignore facts to fit your narrative?
Shall we go down the list of all 5th round picks in the last say, 5 years, and see how many are still even rostered much less the stars you named?
Talk about narratives haha what a dolt.
Never ceases to amaze me how many of you fools come on here spewing your knowledge only to be proven to know little to nothing of the subject in which you speak on.
Haha, you think you proved something? What? You think I’m unaware of who’s been picked in that round of the draft? You are good at making baseless assumptions, I’ll give you that.
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