(01-10-2020, 10:35 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (01-09-2020, 07:47 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]There is a big difference and a problem between "releasing frozen assets" and delivering pallets of cash in foreign currency in secret. Iran may have "committed to restrain from nuclear development" according to their words at the time, but their actions indicate otherwise.
I kind of anticipate another "Stuxnet" kind of thing happening real soon.
Perhaps it's part of the libertarian leanings I have, but I'm a proponent of paying one's debts. If Iran was "walking the talk" (at the time), then I'm all for agreements that are progessive toward peace. Personally, I would have substantially benchmarked such an agreement - We'll release X% every 6 months with P5+1 oversight and acceptable reporting/findings.
Nonetheless, they've halted any restraints to their nuclear program as of this week. Logically, this is due to Soleimani's assassination - the one where Pompeo chuckilishly can't/won't provide evidence for what imminent threat/attack Soleimani posed.
(01-10-2020, 07:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. 
There's a blurry line in saying that the $400m that we previously owed Iran was used specifically to maim and kill US military members. Serious question to consider: Would they have done what they did without the $400m IOU plus 45 years' interest?
(01-10-2020, 09:05 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Really?
I don't think the Irish have the right to call anyone out on terrorism.
The ends always justify the means. Right?
You throw a lot of rocks from your glass house.
Europeans and their hypocrisy.
Glass house question: what countries off the top of anyone's heads have any right to call anyone out on (domestic or international) terrorism?
The Federated States of Micronesia?
I wonder if shooting down a Ukraine airline with all Canadian passengers is provoking a war?
(01-10-2020, 09:05 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 02:06 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]When did someone overtake Saudi Arabia and America as the PREMIER sponsor of world wide terror? Surprising to see Iran fight so hard against ISIS........where did they stem from again?
Really?
I don't think the Irish have the right to call anyone out on terrorism.
The ends always justify the means. Right?
You throw a lot of rocks from your glass house.
Europeans and their hypocrisy.
Of course I can call out terrorism. Using your own logic Americans can't feasibly say anything about Iran interfering in other countries affairs or murdering civlians/soldiers either.
Regarding Irish terrorism which form are you referring to? The one where they attempted to remove a foreign aggressor from THEIR land? Its not surprising you would take the English empires side in that conflict given Americas history but I guess rooting for the bully every year tends to warp ones cognitive ability on these matters
(01-10-2020, 02:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if shooting down a Ukraine airline with all Canadian passengers is provoking a war?
I don't think that it was all Canadian passengers.
With that being said, some on the looney left are blaming Trump for it.
(01-10-2020, 04:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 09:05 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Really?
I don't think the Irish have the right to call anyone out on terrorism.
The ends always justify the means. Right?
You throw a lot of rocks from your glass house.
Europeans and their hypocrisy.
Of course I can call out terrorism. Using your own logic Americans can't feasibly say anything about Iran interfering in other countries affairs or murdering civlians/soldiers either.
Regarding Irish terrorism which form are you referring to? The one where they attempted to remove a foreign aggressor from THEIR land? Its not surprising you would take the English empires side in that conflict given Americas history but I guess rooting for the bully every year tends to warp ones cognitive ability on these matters
If it weren't for us intervening, you ignorant European hypocrites would be trying to annihilate each other. You would also be speaking German.
Europeans are the most aggressive and murderous people in the history of the planet.
I'm talking about the murder of innocent protestants in Northern Ireland an area that voted not to become part of Ireland.
Doesn't sound like Ireland has much of a problem with intervening on another sovereign nation's land.
Freaking hypocrites.
(01-10-2020, 06:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 04:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I can call out terrorism. Using your own logic Americans can't feasibly say anything about Iran interfering in other countries affairs or murdering civlians/soldiers either.
Regarding Irish terrorism which form are you referring to? The one where they attempted to remove a foreign aggressor from THEIR land? Its not surprising you would take the English empires side in that conflict given Americas history but I guess rooting for the bully every year tends to warp ones cognitive ability on these matters
If it weren't for us intervening, you ignorant European hypocrites would be trying to annihilate each other. You would also be speaking German.
Europeans are the most aggressive and murderous people in the history of the planet.
I'm talking about the murder of innocent protestants in Northern Ireland an area that voted not to become part of Ireland.
Doesn't sound like Ireland has much of a problem with intervening on another sovereign nation's land.
Freaking hypocrites.
You ever see the Doug Stanhope bit about Nationalism? it fits in very well with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4&t=82s
I already figured you don't have much idea about irish history/general world history but you are aware how the whole Northern Irish situation went down right? The land was stolen by the UK and then Ireland was threatened with total wipe out unless the 6 counties were kept. Then through oppressive regimes which made Catholics 2nd class citizens and gerry mandering which kept unionists in power they maintained political power.
And for the record I don't agree with the murder of innocent civilians in the North. That goes for the thousands of civilians killed by the British here too.
Maybe more education on world affairs in schools could help you guys gain a better perspective on International conflict instead of just "yeerrr but we stopped yall from speaking german!"
(01-10-2020, 06:19 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 06:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If it weren't for us intervening, you ignorant European hypocrites would be trying to annihilate each other. You would also be speaking German.
Europeans are the most aggressive and murderous people in the history of the planet.
I'm talking about the murder of innocent protestants in Northern Ireland an area that voted not to become part of Ireland.
Doesn't sound like Ireland has much of a problem with intervening on another sovereign nation's land.
Freaking hypocrites.
You ever see the Doug Stanhope bit about Nationalism? it fits in very well with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4&t=82s
I already figured you don't have much idea about irish history/general world history but you are aware how the whole Northern Irish situation went down right? The land was stolen by the UK and then Ireland was threatened with total wipe out unless the 6 counties were kept. Then through oppressive regimes which made Catholics 2nd class citizens and gerry mandering which kept unionists in power they maintained political power.
And for the record I don't agree with the murder of innocent civilians in the North. That goes for the thousands of civilians killed by the British here too.
Maybe more education on world affairs in schools could help you guys gain a better perspective on International conflict instead of just "yeerrr but we stopped yall from speaking german!"
Yup.
This was going to be the thrust of the next "lessons from Ireland" post.
(01-10-2020, 06:19 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 06:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If it weren't for us intervening, you ignorant European hypocrites would be trying to annihilate each other. You would also be speaking German.
Europeans are the most aggressive and murderous people in the history of the planet.
I'm talking about the murder of innocent protestants in Northern Ireland an area that voted not to become part of Ireland.
Doesn't sound like Ireland has much of a problem with intervening on another sovereign nation's land.
Freaking hypocrites.
You ever see the Doug Stanhope bit about Nationalism? it fits in very well with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4&t=82s
I already figured you don't have much idea about irish history/general world history but you are aware how the whole Northern Irish situation went down right? The land was stolen by the UK and then Ireland was threatened with total wipe out unless the 6 counties were kept. Then through oppressive regimes which made Catholics 2nd class citizens and gerry mandering which kept unionists in power they maintained political power.
And for the record I don't agree with the murder of innocent civilians in the North. That goes for the thousands of civilians killed by the British here too.
Maybe more education on world affairs in schools could help you guys gain a better perspective on International conflict instead of just "yeerrr but we stopped yall from speaking german!"
Oh I'm quite aware of history. I'm aware that the protestants have lived there for over 400 years. It is no longer Irish Catholic land to take back no mater what your little Catholic jihadist think.
It's funny you bring up nationalism while you give us a speech on Irish national rights in Northern Ireland.
The Irish and Hitler have a lot in common. Both are willing to use violence under the pretense of stolen lands with the nationalistic intent to " Reclaim the Motherland!"
Way to go Ireland.
(01-10-2020, 07:59 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 06:19 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You ever see the Doug Stanhope bit about Nationalism? it fits in very well with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4&t=82s
I already figured you don't have much idea about irish history/general world history but you are aware how the whole Northern Irish situation went down right? The land was stolen by the UK and then Ireland was threatened with total wipe out unless the 6 counties were kept. Then through oppressive regimes which made Catholics 2nd class citizens and gerry mandering which kept unionists in power they maintained political power.
And for the record I don't agree with the murder of innocent civilians in the North. That goes for the thousands of civilians killed by the British here too.
Maybe more education on world affairs in schools could help you guys gain a better perspective on International conflict instead of just "yeerrr but we stopped yall from speaking german!"
Oh I'm quite aware of history. I'm aware that the protestants have lived there for over 400 years. It is no longer Irish Catholic land to take back no mater what your little Catholic jihadist think.
It's funny you bring up nationalism while you give us a speech on Irish national rights in Northern Ireland.
I don't believe in an armed struggle for the north so you are missing massively with these points. I admire your effort nonetheless. You might be surprised to learn that the current iteration of these "Catholic jihadists" have almost nothing to do with the IRA of the early 19OOs.
Did you watch the bit? I don't care about nationalism, I was mocking the "we saved y'all" as that's one of the first points of the video
(01-10-2020, 08:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]The Irish and Hitler have a lot in common. Both are willing to use violence under the pretense of stolen lands with the nationalistic intent to " Reclaim the Motherland!"
Way to go Ireland.
Edgy but you could have workshopped this more for greater effect.
Do you think the IRA of the early 19OOs were wrong to try remove a foreign oppressor after being 2nd class citizens for hundreds of years? Or in your view were the English entitled to it because they were there for so long , conversely, what are your thoughts on America getting their freedom?
(01-10-2020, 09:06 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 07:59 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I'm quite aware of history. I'm aware that the protestants have lived there for over 400 years. It is no longer Irish Catholic land to take back no mater what your little Catholic jihadist think.
It's funny you bring up nationalism while you give us a speech on Irish national rights in Northern Ireland.
I don't believe in an armed struggle for the north so you are missing massively with these points. I admire your effort nonetheless. You might be surprised to learn that the current iteration of these "Catholic jihadists" have almost nothing to do with the IRA of the early 19OOs.
Did you watch the bit? I don't care about nationalism, I was mocking the "we saved y'all" as that's one of the first points of the video
(01-10-2020, 08:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]The Irish and Hitler have a lot in common. Both are willing to use violence under the pretense of stolen lands with the nationalistic intent to " Reclaim the Motherland!"
Way to go Ireland.
Edgy but you could have workshopped this more for greater effect.
Do you think the IRA of the early 19OOs were wrong to try remove a foreign oppressor after being 2nd class citizens for hundreds of years? Or in your view were the English entitled to it because they were there for so long , conversely, what are your thoughts on America getting their freedom?
Sure they had a right to gain there independence. What you didn't have a right to do was to try to enforce Catholic Irish rule in a protestant majority region that wanted no part of the Irish Republic. You brought 30 years of gangland type violence and terror to innocent protestant civilians.
Someone from a country that has committed the amount of terrorist atrocities as Ireland has no business calling out the US for killing a major terrorist who was actively participating in the killing of Americans.
Or maybe you just sympathize with people who like to spread terror and violence.
It doesn't matter what your personal belief is. You called us out as a nation and I'm calling you out as a nation.
(01-10-2020, 09:41 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 09:06 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe in an armed struggle for the north so you are missing massively with these points. I admire your effort nonetheless. You might be surprised to learn that the current iteration of these "Catholic jihadists" have almost nothing to do with the IRA of the early 19OOs.
Did you watch the bit? I don't care about nationalism, I was mocking the "we saved y'all" as that's one of the first points of the video
Edgy but you could have workshopped this more for greater effect.
Do you think the IRA of the early 19OOs were wrong to try remove a foreign oppressor after being 2nd class citizens for hundreds of years? Or in your view were the English entitled to it because they were there for so long , conversely, what are your thoughts on America getting their freedom?
Sure they had a right to gain there independence. What you didn't have a right to do was to try to enforce Catholic Irish rule in a protestant majority region that wanted no part of the Irish Republic. You brought 30 years of gangland type violence to innocent protestant civilians.
Someone from a country that has committed the amount of terrorist atrocities as Ireland has no business calling out the US for killing a major terrorist who was actively participating in the killing of Americans.
Or maybe you just sympathize with people who like to spread terror and violence.
It doesn't matter what your personal belief is. You called us out as a nation and I'm calling you out as a nation.
You are confusing two very different things. The Irish nationalist movement of the early 1900s was led by the government to remove the foreign oppressor. The Troubles were caused by groups not affiliated with the Irish government to cause havoc for the North to try remove the occupancy of the British and prevent themselves being oppressed.
The latter does not prevent me from calling out the imperialism of America and its insidious foreign policy, which is absolutely driven by the government, but you already know that.
Do you see the difference between that and the Troubles or do you still need more history lessons on the Northern conflict. I'm sorry if you got upset by me disagreeing with the policies of governments but it's not limited to America
(01-10-2020, 09:56 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 09:41 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Sure they had a right to gain there independence. What you didn't have a right to do was to try to enforce Catholic Irish rule in a protestant majority region that wanted no part of the Irish Republic. You brought 30 years of gangland type violence to innocent protestant civilians.
Someone from a country that has committed the amount of terrorist atrocities as Ireland has no business calling out the US for killing a major terrorist who was actively participating in the killing of Americans.
Or maybe you just sympathize with people who like to spread terror and violence.
It doesn't matter what your personal belief is. You called us out as a nation and I'm calling you out as a nation.
You are confusing two very different things. The Irish nationalist movement of the early 1900s was led by the government to remove the foreign oppressor. The Troubles were caused by groups not affiliated with the Irish government to cause havoc for the North to try remove the occupancy of the British and prevent themselves being oppressed.
The latter does not prevent me from calling out the imperialism of America and its insidious foreign policy, which is absolutely driven by the government, but you already know that.
Do you see the difference between that and the Troubles or do you still need more history lessons on the Northern conflict. I'm sorry if you got upset by me disagreeing with the policies of governments but it's not limited to America
I don't give a crap what they were dooing in the early 1900's.
I'm talking about the terrorist campaign The Troubles. the one that was carried out from the late 60's to the 90's. The one where every other day you would see the graphic footage of injured and dead civilians after the bombs where set off in Belfast.
I'm talking about The Troubles where the IRA would drag protestants out of their cars and execute them. I'm talking about The Troubles where the Irish Republic would allow the IRA to take refuge across their borders.
The Republic of Ireland. The country that will be forever be known for as the country that gave terrorist asylum and sat complacently by while the most extensive and extended terrorist campaign probably ever, outside of the middle east, took place in their name.
Give me a break with your self righteous bull [BLEEP].
(01-10-2020, 10:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 09:56 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You are confusing two very different things. The Irish nationalist movement of the early 1900s was led by the government to remove the foreign oppressor. The Troubles were caused by groups not affiliated with the Irish government to cause havoc for the North to try remove the occupancy of the British and prevent themselves being oppressed.
The latter does not prevent me from calling out the imperialism of America and its insidious foreign policy, which is absolutely driven by the government, but you already know that.
Do you see the difference between that and the Troubles or do you still need more history lessons on the Northern conflict. I'm sorry if you got upset by me disagreeing with the policies of governments but it's not limited to America
I don't give a crap what they were dooing in the early 1900's.
I'm talking about the terrorist campaign The Troubles. the one that was carried out from the late 60's to the 90's. The one where every other day you would see the graphic footage of injured and dead civilians after the bombs where set off in Belfast.
I'm talking about The Troubles where the IRA would drag protestants out of their cars and execute them. I'm talking about The Troubles where the Irish Republic would allow the IRA to take refuge across their borders.
The Republic of Ireland. The country that will be forever be known for as the country that gave terrorist asylum and sat complacently by while the most extensive and extended terrorist campaign probably ever, outside of the middle east, took place in their name.
Give me a break with your self righteous bull [BLEEP].
The same troubles where thousands of Catholics were killed and made second class citizens in their own country? Where their vote didn't matter?
I've already said I don't agree with the armed struggle for the north. Nothing you have said excludes me from critiquing other nations or my own awful government.
Again, if you want to use your own logic (which is highly flawed), you aren't allowed critique any other country in the world on something America did itself. Meaning, you aren't allowed critique Iran for things America has done in their past.
You see how dumb that sounds? Your takes in here are as bad as your football ones. Which I thought would actually be hard to do
Remember when America used to test biowarfare on its own unsuspecting citizens? Do you think that means you can never critique another nation for doing something similar?
Of course not. It would take an amazingly large amount of pig headed logic to believe that
Iran has admitted they "unintentionally" shot down the Ukraine airliner.
(01-11-2020, 09:26 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Iran has admitted they "unintentionally" shot down the Ukraine airliner.
Don’t worry they still blamed it on American ‘adventurism’ so it’s still our fault according to the dems.
(01-10-2020, 10:35 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2020, 07:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.
There's a blurry line in saying that the $400m that we previously owed Iran was used specifically to maim and kill US military members. Serious question to consider: Would they have done what they did without the $400m IOU plus 45 years' interest?
"$400m IOU plus 45 years' interest" - Let's not equivocate, that number is actually $150,000,000,000. The money was kept from them in sanctions because they're bad people doing bad things. Regardless, giving them that huge amount of money (which our government kept secret from us for 8 months) is like asking for a pledge of honor from a panhandling drug addict that he will spend all the money you give him on food. But don't take my word for it.
Let the lead DNC information agency lay it out.
2 state tv anchors quit in protest. This is the most vulnerable this regime has been since it first stormed the embassy in 79.