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What Iran just did was the equivalent of a guy punching you in your face in front of your girlfriend, and when said guy turns around and walks away, you make a "flexing" motion to said guys back to show your girlfriend how tough you are.

P.S. Did Mikesze really present his "bunker priority" theory as fact? Good God man, the effects of TDS may be worse than we originally thought.

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(01-07-2020, 10:51 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 10:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That's what I mean.  Iran probably did it to look tough, but didnt want to kill any US casualties in the attack because of what Trump said.  They know Trump dont bs like Obama

Obama loved bombing a lot more than Trump so thats kind of a weird point

I think you are confused. I think you mean Obama loved giving terrorist nations billions of dollars to build their bombs. Including the ones you saw tonight.

Iran will regret this decision. I don't like it either but this feels like they are forcing our hand at this point.

(01-07-2020, 11:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]What Iran just did was the equivalent of a guy punching you in your face in front of your girlfriend, and when said guy turns around and walks away, you make a "flexing" motion to said guys back to show your girlfriend how tough you are.

P.S. Did Mikesze really present his "bunker priority" theory as fact? Good God man, the effects of TDS may be worse than we originally thought.

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(01-07-2020, 10:51 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Obama loved bombing a lot more than Trump so thats kind of a weird point

I think you are confused. I think you mean Obama loved giving terrorist nations billions of dollars to build their bombs. Including the ones you saw tonight.

America dropped 26,000 bombs alone in 2016.  

its very funny to hear Americans discuss Obamas foreign policy. Liberals want to pretend he is a peace loving saint so they ignore all the bombs, conservatives dont want to portray him as a war hawk because they think that makes a president look strong. So he kinda just skates free from all critique regarding that

(01-08-2020, 12:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 11:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]What Iran just did was the equivalent of a guy punching you in your face in front of your girlfriend, and when said guy turns around and walks away, you make a "flexing" motion to said guys back to show your girlfriend how tough you are.

P.S. Did Mikesze really present his "bunker priority" theory as fact? Good God man, the effects of TDS may be worse than we originally thought.

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I think you are confused. I think you mean Obama loved giving terrorist nations billions of dollars to build their bombs. Including the ones you saw tonight.

America dropped 26,000 bombs alone in 2016.  

its very funny to hear Americans discuss Obamas foreign policy. Liberals want to pretend he is peace loving saint so they ignore all the bombs, conservatives dont want to portray him as a war hawk because they think that makes a president look strong. So he kinda just skates free from all critique regarding that

Americans may be obsessed with war, but everyone loves the protection we provide. 

I can’t speak for others, but when I critique Obama about this stuff, it isn’t because he wasn’t a war hawk. It was because he was ineffective.

(01-08-2020, 12:43 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2020, 12:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]America dropped 26,000 bombs alone in 2016.  

its very funny to hear Americans discuss Obamas foreign policy. Liberals want to pretend he is peace loving saint so they ignore all the bombs, conservatives dont want to portray him as a war hawk because they think that makes a president look strong. So he kinda just skates free from all critique regarding that

Americans may be obsessed with war, but everyone loves the protection we provide. 

I can’t speak for others, but when I critique Obama about this stuff, it isn’t because he wasn’t a war hawk. It was because he was ineffective.

I'd wager there's a lot of countries who would disagree regarding the "everyone".  

That's fair, he was very ineffective too. I just think he's given a Messiah tag by the left despite zero evidence of it and his action abroad and are generally ignored by everyone to maintain their image of him. But that's probably another topic

(01-07-2020, 11:59 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Iran will regret this decision. I don't like it either but this feels like they are forcing our hand at this point.

This is the end of it. There were no American casualties so now the rhetoric and saber rattling continues as before. Iran will go back to exacting their revenge by proxy while denying involvement, like always.

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(01-08-2020, 12:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 11:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]What Iran just did was the equivalent of a guy punching you in your face in front of your girlfriend, and when said guy turns around and walks away, you make a "flexing" motion to said guys back to show your girlfriend how tough you are.

P.S. Did Mikesze really present his "bunker priority" theory as fact? Good God man, the effects of TDS may be worse than we originally thought.

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I think you are confused. I think you mean Obama loved giving terrorist nations billions of dollars to build their bombs. Including the ones you saw tonight.

America dropped 26,000 bombs alone in 2016.  

its very funny to hear Americans discuss Obamas foreign policy. Liberals want to pretend he is a peace loving saint so they ignore all the bombs, conservatives dont want to portray him as a war hawk because they think that makes a president look strong. So he kinda just skates free from all critique regarding that

That’s a valid observation.

(01-07-2020, 11:59 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Iran will regret this decision. I don't like it either but this feels like they are forcing our hand at this point.

I don't think they're forcing our hand at all.  I think they "attacked" us so they could tell their people they got revenge.  But if reports are true that they didn't really hit anything or kill anyone, it's a perfect opportunity to de-escalate the situation and avoid a very expensive and pointless war.  I think they might have intentionally avoided hitting anyone or anything important, so as not to force Trump to back up his threats.

This is the best possible scenario, as long as it doesn't embolden the US to further flex its muscles with the idea that nothing can go wrong, and that everyone is going to continue to be intimidated.  It's an opportunity for everyone to get out of this crisis with minimal damage.

Iran has backed down.  As long as Trump understands this, everything will turn out okay.

The trigger-happy Iranians have shot down a passenger plane with 176 aboard.

Somebody needs to tell the Iranians how to war. They killed 52 of their own during the grieving process, now they have killed 82 Iranian passengers on a commercial flight.

It was reported that Ayatollah Khamenei was in the missile control room. Maybe he panicked when something big came over the radar?

The flight was from Tehran to Kiev. Why were 63 Canadians flying from Tehran to Kiev?

Flight path of airliner was directly in front of Iranian Malard missile site - OOPS.
Iran is refusing to share the black box with Boeing - OOPS

Both the US and Iran seem to be saying the fight is on pause for now. But this is by no means over.

It's interesting to see the commentary on Foxnews.com.  Half of them seem to be saying we have to strike back hard, and the other half seem to be saying Iran has backed down, and we should not strike back hard.  One side or the other will disappear as soon as they figure out what Trump is going to do, because there is one thing you can count on Fox News doing, and that is, uniting behind Trump no matter what. 

The fact that Trump is going to address the country tonight on the subject worries me.  There's no need for that at this point.  Addressing the country on TV usually signals something very important.   I wish he would cancel the nationwide address and let this whole situation cool down.  He killed the guy, Iran shot a few missiles and missed us probably intentionally, and now there's no need to turn this into a war.

The Ayatollahs have threaded the needle on this situation.  They can claim they hit us back, when they really didn't.   Let's hope Trump has the wisdom to see this.  He campaigned on getting the US out of endless middle eastern wars.   He can declare victory if he must, but I hope to God he has the wisdom to stop what would be a majorly expensive war that would damage the world economy and cause a lot of suffering in the United States as well as Iran.

(01-08-2020, 12:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 11:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]What Iran just did was the equivalent of a guy punching you in your face in front of your girlfriend, and when said guy turns around and walks away, you make a "flexing" motion to said guys back to show your girlfriend how tough you are.

P.S. Did Mikesze really present his "bunker priority" theory as fact? Good God man, the effects of TDS may be worse than we originally thought.

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I think you are confused. I think you mean Obama loved giving terrorist nations billions of dollars to build their bombs. Including the ones you saw tonight.

America dropped 26,000 bombs alone in 2016.  

its very funny to hear Americans discuss Obamas foreign policy. Liberals want to pretend he is a peace loving saint so they ignore all the bombs, conservatives dont want to portray him as a war hawk because they think that makes a president look strong. So he kinda just skates free from all critique regarding that

Indeed - Obama was absolutely a murder drone proponent. For all the left hype(d/s) him up to be, I was never a fan of how often (and ineffective) the Obama administration used drone strikes. There's a Patton Oswalt bit about own-party capitulation in here somewhere.

Great speech by the president.

(01-08-2020, 09:49 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]It's interesting to see the commentary on Foxnews.com.  Half of them seem to be saying we have to strike back hard, and the other half seem to be saying Iran has backed down, and we should not strike back hard.  One side or the other will disappear as soon as they figure out what Trump is going to do, because there is one thing you can count on Fox News doing, and that is, uniting behind Trump no matter what. 

The fact that Trump is going to address the country tonight on the subject worries me.  There's no need for that at this point.  Addressing the country on TV usually signals something very important.   I wish he would cancel the nationwide address and let this whole situation cool down.  He killed the guy, Iran shot a few missiles and missed us probably intentionally, and now there's no need to turn this into a war.

The Ayatollahs have threaded the needle on this situation.  They can claim they hit us back, when they really didn't.   Let's hope Trump has the wisdom to see this.  He campaigned on getting the US out of endless middle eastern wars.   He can declare victory if he must, but I hope to God he has the wisdom to stop what would be a majorly expensive war that would damage the world economy and cause a lot of suffering in the United States as well as Iran.

I’m glad you don’t advise him. That was an awesome speech.

I haven't heard a casualty report.

If no one got killed, I would just let Iran get away with puffing it's chest to save some face.

In the end, Soleimani is still dead and the Iranians know what we will do if they participate in killing Americans.

If they killed people, I think we will have to respond.

Edit* I just saw there were no casualties. Looks like they are letting Iran slide.

(01-08-2020, 01:09 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't heard a casualty report.

If no one got killed, I would just let Iran get away with puffing it's chest to save some face.

In the end, Soleimani is still dead and the Iranians know what we will do if they participate in killing Americans.

If they killed people, I think we will have to respond.

Trump just said in his speech there were no casualties

(01-07-2020, 11:20 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 10:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. 
The American troops get priority for primo spots in the bunker.
The Iraqis are the most vulnerable.
It's not sustainable unless the Iraqis love us, unless they feel they need us.
If all the American troops are in a bunker, and all the Iraqis are above ground, who's to say the Iraqis will let our guys out?
Obviously it's more complicated than that, and obviously dudes smarter than me spend all day thinking about OpSec, but, the parts I'm leaving out don't change the final analysis: if the Iraqis don't want us there, our presence is not sustainable.

Nice to see you pull another narrative out your rear.

Sounds like we let the Iraqis in the bunker.  Sounds like we knew when the missiles were coming, down to the minute, rather than days.  
I only said what I said because there were reports of Iraqi casualties at that time.
I propose narratives based on the facts available at the time.
If Iraqis suffer due to our presence, our presence will not be sustainable there.  You can count on that.

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(01-08-2020, 12:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Great speech by the president.

It was a good speech.

(01-07-2020, 10:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 09:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]There were Iraqi casualties only

Exactly. 
The American troops get priority for primo spots in the bunker.
The Iraqis are the most vulnerable.
It's not sustainable unless the Iraqis love us, unless they feel they need us.
If all the American troops are in a bunker, and all the Iraqis are above ground, who's to say the Iraqis will let our guys out?
Obviously it's more complicated than that, and obviously dudes smarter than me spend all day thinking about OpSec, but, the parts I'm leaving out don't change the final analysis: if the Iraqis don't want us there, our presence is not sustainable.

Lol.

Zero casualties.

Iran standing down.

(01-08-2020, 09:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2020, 11:59 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Iran will regret this decision. I don't like it either but this feels like they are forcing our hand at this point.

I don't think they're forcing our hand at all.  I think they "attacked" us so they could tell their people they got revenge.  But if reports are true that they didn't really hit anything or kill anyone, it's a perfect opportunity to de-escalate the situation and avoid a very expensive and pointless war.  I think they might have intentionally avoided hitting anyone or anything important, so as not to force Trump to back up his threats.

This is the best possible scenario, as long as it doesn't embolden the US to further flex its muscles with the idea that nothing can go wrong, and that everyone is going to continue to be intimidated.  It's an opportunity for everyone to get out of this crisis with minimal damage.

Iran has backed down.  As long as Trump understands this, everything will turn out okay.

Now that I see there is no casualties and they tipped us off ahead of time, I think this was a face saving maneuver. They don't want real conflict. It seems like the old adage of speak softly and carry a big stick has changed to speak loudly and throw tiny pebbles.