(09-23-2020, 04:56 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2020, 04:38 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. If we draft so great, why are we 36-76? Put the Teal Kool-Aid down brother.
Lol you're being obtuse on purpose. We owe most of that record to Gus "Icecream" Bradley.
Who hired Gus? You're being an apologist.
And I don't even know what obtuse means, so it can't be intentional.
Also... we are woefully deficient in talent on defense. That is Caldwell's fault. What specific tactical decisions do you think we to change with Wash? I think there is some room for improvement in play-calling, but for the most part guys are schemed to make a play and don't get it done. That's a lack of talent.
(09-22-2020, 09:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2020, 09:03 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]How about we play that game with Dave
-#1 2nd overall pick Luke Joeckle "The Joke" Was off the team before he retired
-#1 3rd overall pick Blake Bortles Just a disaster of a pick
#1 3rd overall pick Dante Fowler was traded for peanuts .
#1 5th overall pick Jalen Ramsey: Just a disaster of a situation that made the team look very bad
I could do this with Forunette and lower round picks etc. Lets also not forget the very poor free agents Caldwell has wasted money on as well. This team should be a dynasty with the draft capital and salary cap room we have had.
Joeckel always was going to be one of the top picks. I wanted Ziggy, but Joeckel was constantly in the talks to be #1 overall. He busted, it happens. Wasn't a reach.
Bortles, definitely a reach and a bad pick. No way around it.
Fowler is productive and was drafted right where he should of been. Couldn't pay everybody.
Ramsey is an elite talent and drafted right where he should of been. You can't blame Caldwell for Ramsey acting like a baby and a spoiled brat. That's on him, not Dave.
The point is, I responded to your previous post because you claimed all of those players went on to contribute to their new teams and tried to make it seem like Dave cut them for no reason and that it greatly hurt this team, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Every one of those players didn't contribute to their new teams and most were out of the league within 2 years.
The point was Dave came here in 2013 and released the few solid players we had. He played a role on how bare the roster was in 2013. Also, Dave came here with the philosophy of building through the draft. Dave has a done a really poor job at drafting in the first round. With his philosophy with "building through the draft" the first round is essential to get the top elite talent. Dave has failed time and time again to pick the right player. The few times he does get it right with the Ramsey, Yannick(2nd round), or Fowler picks he failed to retain such players.
Any place outside of Jacksonville, Detroit, or Cleveland Calwell would of been fired years ago. Regardless if I like it or not, I have to deal with this at least another season. I hope he has learned from his many failures and maybe put a solid consistent team together.
(09-23-2020, 04:56 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2020, 04:38 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. If we draft so great, why are we 36-76? Put the Teal Kool-Aid down brother.
Lol you're being obtuse on purpose. We owe most of that record to Gus "Icecream" Bradley.
IN that case, Caldwell gets the blame for allowing Gus "52 flavors" Bradley around as long as he was. Gus was a glorified cheerleader.
(09-23-2020, 05:02 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2020, 04:56 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]Lol you're being obtuse on purpose. We owe most of that record to Gus "Icecream" Bradley.
Who hired Gus? You're being an apologist.
And I don't even know what obtuse means, so it can't be intentional.
Also... we are woefully deficient in talent on defense. That is Caldwell's fault. What specific tactical decisions do you think we to change with Wash? I think there is some room for improvement in play-calling, but for the most part guys are schemed to make a play and don't get it done. That's a lack of talent.
Okay blame Caldwell for Gus, sure. I don't know if he was responsible, but he may have been. Khan could have been pushing for Gus this whole time and Caldwell wanted to head a different direction. Maybe Khan learned his lesson thru Gus and Coughlin and is letting Caldwell do his thing. The facts certainly line up to fit that narrative but I respect the fact that neither of us know and you can twist the facts to fit any narrative.
Point is, Gus is gone, Caldwell and Marrone are here. We got a few key pieces on defense but obviously are lacking in areas. Doesn't help when we had a couple rotten apples on defense that got shipped off, they would have plugged those holes nicely I think. But obviously they weren't on board with the program, that I refuse to blame on Caldwell. We got 4 picks in the first two rounds going into next year, I think its fair to see how Caldwell addresses the needs with that draft before issuing final judgment.
There's been a litany of issues in Caldwell's way since he started. Now he has a decent head coach in Marrone, say what you will about Balogne man, he's at least competent, albeit imperfect.
The issue with Wash is a scheme one. The Seattle defense relies too much on an overabundance of talent and individual players making adjustments on the fly. I'm not a fan of the scheme, even when we had the talent to back it up. Our defense could potentially look much better if we sheltered our secondary a bit rather than hung them out to dry play in and play out.
(09-23-2020, 06:15 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2020, 04:56 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]Lol you're being obtuse on purpose. We owe most of that record to Gus "Icecream" Bradley.
IN that case, Caldwell gets the blame for allowing Gus "52 flavors" Bradley around as long as he was. Gus was a glorified cheerleader.
Sure fair, but that's crying over spilled milk at this point. I'm not gonna argue to fire a guy for a mistake he made 5 years ago. Let him have these two years, no excuses and see what he can do. I have faith in him because I've seen the talent he's drafted.
(09-22-2020, 11:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2020, 11:46 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]Personally i think OC is his calling. His HC stint in Washington was pretty bad. I'd prefer we kept him as OC and kept this offense trending the way it is. But no doubt I feel we need a DC for sure.
Truthfully they were a middling team on the rise until the FO forced Haskins on him after Alex Smith got broke in 2018. What you call "pretty bad" would be a step up for this organization.
Ill take what ive seen worked or atleast so far it seems in Jacksonville over what could of in Washington.
(09-24-2020, 05:28 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2020, 11:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Truthfully they were a middling team on the rise until the FO forced Haskins on him after Alex Smith got broke in 2018. What you call "pretty bad" would be a step up for this organization.
Ill take what ive seen worked or atleast so far it seems in Jacksonville over what could of in Washington.
You mean Marrone? while I think he should be fired (team lack discipline big time and he makes dumb decision from time to time) yes, at least he has won playoffs games.
Gruden being a good OC doesn't mean he is a good HC
(09-23-2020, 11:03 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2020, 05:02 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]Who hired Gus? You're being an apologist.
And I don't even know what obtuse means, so it can't be intentional.
Also... we are woefully deficient in talent on defense. That is Caldwell's fault. What specific tactical decisions do you think we to change with Wash? I think there is some room for improvement in play-calling, but for the most part guys are schemed to make a play and don't get it done. That's a lack of talent.
Okay blame Caldwell for Gus, sure. I don't know if he was responsible, but he may have been. Khan could have been pushing for Gus this whole time and Caldwell wanted to head a different direction. Maybe Khan learned his lesson thru Gus and Coughlin and is letting Caldwell do his thing. The facts certainly line up to fit that narrative but I respect the fact that neither of us know and you can twist the facts to fit any narrative.
Point is, Gus is gone, Caldwell and Marrone are here. We got a few key pieces on defense but obviously are lacking in areas. Doesn't help when we had a couple rotten apples on defense that got shipped off, they would have plugged those holes nicely I think. But obviously they weren't on board with the program, that I refuse to blame on Caldwell. We got 4 picks in the first two rounds going into next year, I think its fair to see how Caldwell addresses the needs with that draft before issuing final judgment.
There's been a litany of issues in Caldwell's way since he started. Now he has a decent head coach in Marrone, say what you will about Balogne man, he's at least competent, albeit imperfect.
The issue with Wash is a scheme one. The Seattle defense relies too much on an overabundance of talent and individual players making adjustments on the fly. I'm not a fan of the scheme, even when we had the talent to back it up. Our defense could potentially look much better if we sheltered our secondary a bit rather than hung them out to dry play in and play out.
Please explain how we are hanging our secondary out to dry? Hanging them out to dry would imply blitzing and leaving them in man coverage with no help. We have one of the lowest blitz percentages in the League (9.6% after 2 games). That IS sheltering our secondary. We seem to be in Cover 3 or Quarters all game and get picked apart because we can't get to the QB. The problem is our pass rush isn't good enough to get pressure without blitzing and our secondary isn't good enough to hold up in coverage if we do. You know why? Its
LACK OF TALENT. Great defenses can rush and cover, average defenses are good at one or the other... we do not do either well. The fact we have been giving up 400 yards per game (300 in the pass game) and have only had 2 sacks all season clearly demonstrates that.
What would you like to see Wash do differently? Blitz more and truly leave our secondary exposed? I actually feel for the guy... he is choosing a slower death by playing coverage and hoping someone can make a play than a quick one by blitzing. Its damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's not scheme... its lack of talent.
(09-24-2020, 10:33 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 05:28 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]Ill take what ive seen worked or atleast so far it seems in Jacksonville over what could of in Washington.
You mean Marrone? while I think he should be fired (team lack discipline big time and he makes dumb decision from time to time) yes, at least he has won playoffs games.
Gruden being a good OC doesn't mean he is a good HC
No, i mean so far Gruden has looked like a good OC for us and i wouldn't want to change it. As for our head coach, thats a different story.
Anybody still doubting Caldwell?
I have always doubted Caldwell when others didn't, and still don't.
Sometimes the accuracy of my talent "eye test" astounds me.
(09-24-2020, 10:36 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Anybody still doubting Caldwell?
We just focus on convincing our fans we won the draft... not actual games.
Doubting we should fire him? No.
My 7 and 8 year old children could literally throw darts at a draft board and do better than David Caldwell.
They would also do it for a McFlurry.
Because of course we miss the XP. Lmao.
(09-22-2020, 02:40 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]This is some serious Stockholm Syndrome stuff. Dave kept us in the pitch black dungeon with shackles on and daily beatings for so long that just a glimmer of light has us falling in love.
Back to the dungeon for us. Sorry we got our hopes up for a minute.
So DC will have another losing season what a surprise! He just can't have a winning one without TC as his nanny.
Expect Khan to extend him any time now lol
(09-24-2020, 11:25 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So DC will have another losing season what a surprise! He just can't have a winning one without TC as his nanny.
Expect Khan to extend him any time now lol
When we are 4-12 at the end of the season and they don't blow the whole thing up... I swear to God I am done with this organization. I will go take up knitting or water-color paint or SOMETHING.
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