(11-08-2020, 06:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Fed Chark and still lost. Love it.
Fields to Shenault and Chark with Joe Brady as the HC/OC.
I had visions of Brady drawing up the same plays to Shenault that Carolina is rocking with Samuel. They were nice visions.
(11-08-2020, 06:45 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Just don’t fall in love with another 6th round diamond in the rough. Finish the tank and go draft a franchise QB
Absolutely. Luton doesn't change our draft plans in any way. We still need a franchise QB.
(11-08-2020, 06:51 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I like what I seen from Luton, but as of now I still hope we are able to get Trask if we miss on Lawrence
Just to carify, are you saying you want Trask with our first pick, which will probably be a top 5 pick? Or as a late first or second rounder?
Its really to early to tell. A lot of football left
(11-08-2020, 06:51 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I like what I seen from Luton, but as of now I still hope we are able to get Trask if we miss on Lawrence
Just to carify, are you saying you want Trask with our first pick, which will probably be a top 5 pick? Or as a late first or second rounder?
With the way Trask is playing, I'd have no problem taking him with our 2nd pick in round 1. I take the BAP with our first pick, which will probably be #2 overall. With the Jets taking Lawrence, I select Oregon OT Penei Sewell. He is by far the #2 overall player on my board.
(11-08-2020, 07:13 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Luton can make all the passes and should be the starter next season draft OT sewell and Pitts in the first round. We set for a run at the AFC south
It's very premature to crown Luton as the franchise QB. We still need to draft one.
(11-08-2020, 07:20 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind that the Texans were the worst defense by EPA in the league, and they were missing two of their best defenders in Mercilus and Roby. Luton will be facing much tougher challenges from here on out.
That's fine. If he succeeds great, if he falters, at least we know what we have.
(11-08-2020, 07:13 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Luton can make all the passes and should be the starter next season draft OT sewell and Pitts in the first round. We set for a run at the AFC south
As much as I would like a QB early, Sewell and Pitts with our 2 1st would be a great way to start a rebuild. 2 future All Pros at 2 important positions. Pure BPA and I like it
All in all, Luton looked better than I expected today. He did have a couple of inaccurate passes that were very lucky not to be intercepted.
(11-08-2020, 06:37 PM)PS9 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, this board man.
Lol
PS9. People are so quick to jump from one ship to the next. But they've been doing that since the Miami game when it comes to Gardner.
I didn't get to really see today's game yet, because I was at work. I have looked at highlights and it seems like Jake looked pretty solid. I had thought he might look decent.
I'm looking around on this site and on Twitter and it does seem a bit much that a lot of people are saying stuff like he's way better than Gardner. And that Gardner should never get the starting QB position back. I mean really after one game, lol? Stuff like this can be very premature and flaky. It looks like he's done some of the same stuff that Gardner has done in the past like try and lead fourth quarter comebacks. Though, it also sounds like there are difference, including pluses for him as well (like his arm strength).
I'm going to look at more of the game when I have some time for that. (Though right now I will look at the Sunday Night Football game). I'm glad to hear that it does sound like Jake looked solid. (And the Jags may indeed shown again how they have a knack for getting talent in later rounds, including possibly two sixth round QB's). If he gets to play again I would like to see how he looks against other teams including tougher teams.
For a guy who had never called a Jag play and never played, much less started a pro game he did ok. We have quite a few tough teams coming up. We'll see whether we want to or not. ....)
(11-08-2020, 09:44 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 06:37 PM)PS9 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, this board man.
I'm looking around on this site and on Twitter and it does seem a bit much that a lot of people are saying stuff like he's way better than Gardner. And that Gardner should never get the starting QB position back. I mean really after one game, lol?
Yeah. Minshew shouldn't get his job back.
He can't even throw a 15 yard out-pattern. That route is there when they're playing off to respect Chark's speed. Jorts wouldn't have even attempted that 1st td pass. Throws parachute passes instead of lasers. Football zings across the screen to TEs in open spaces in the middle.
Seeing Chark's #s and body language, he won't want him back there.
(11-08-2020, 10:45 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 09:44 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking around on this site and on Twitter and it does seem a bit much that a lot of people are saying stuff like he's way better than Gardner. And that Gardner should never get the starting QB position back. I mean really after one game, lol?
Yeah. Minshew shouldn't get his job back.
He can't even throw a 15 yard out-pattern. That route is there when they're playing off to respect Chark's speed. Jorts wouldn't have even attempted that 1st td pass. Throws parachute passes instead of lasers. Football zings across the screen to TEs in open spaces in the middle.
Seeing Chark's #s and body language, he won't want him back there.
I do believe that DJ was probably happier to be utilized more in today's game. Though, Gardner has utilized him well in the past and they have built good chemistry before. This year Gardner has spread the ball around more, in addition to having some issues including his injury. We'll see what happens and how Jake plays going forward. If the team still isn't winning, DJ still won't be that happy. And/or if Jake has a rough game and doesn't end up connecting with him as much as he did in this one. I do think it's premature to say that Gardner "shouldn't get his job back" after one game, that was still a loss. (Albeit the closest scoring game this season).
I swear this board is so ridiculous at times. Luton by all extents and purposes, should have had 3 interceptions today, instead he escaped with one.
His stat total was 26/38 304 1TD/1INT good for a QBR of 90.2
What I saw was a raw rookie that made some good throws but also made some really bad throws. Some of these throws were miscommunications, which given it's his first game, you can give him a bit of a pass. But again, this guy should have thrown 3 picks, but he got lucky.
I won't say he's bad, he shows promise, but to say he's better than Minshew is laughable. If you think Minshew is mediocre, Jake Luton isn't going to be any less mediocre based on what I saw today, infact he may be more mediocre based on what I saw today. Although mad props for the whitest white boy spin move I've seen for the TD scramble today. Either way, need more games under his belt to get a fair evaluation, but aside from throwing a faster/harder ball and 5 extra inches of height, I'm not seeing much else that looks better than what Minshew has shown thus far. Maybe he can develop to be better than Minshew because he possesses traits that Minshew can't obtain without some South Park Dolphin surgery, but considering how incompetent our coaching staff is at actually developing talent, it's a pipe dream.
(11-08-2020, 11:12 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]I swear this board is so ridiculous at times. Luton by all extents and purposes, should have had 3 interceptions today, instead he escaped with one.
His stat total was 26/38 304 1TD/1INT good for a QBR of 90.2
What I saw was a raw rookie that made some good throws but also made some really bad throws. Some of these throws were miscommunications, which given it's his first game, you can give him a bit of a pass. But again, this guy should have thrown 3 picks, but he got lucky.
I won't say he's bad, he shows promise, but to say he's better than Minshew is laughable. If you think Minshew is mediocre, Jake Luton isn't going to be any less mediocre based on what I saw today, infact he may be more mediocre based on what I saw today. Although mad props for the whitest white boy spin move I've seen for the TD scramble today. Either way, need more games under his belt to get a fair evaluation, but aside from throwing a faster/harder ball and 5 extra inches of height, I'm not seeing much else that looks better than what Minshew has shown thus far.
Spot on...agree. We are about to play a few good teams. I say mix and match them the rest of the way. We may need both of them when we play the Ravens anyway...
(11-08-2020, 11:12 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]I swear this board is so ridiculous at times. Luton by all extents and purposes, should have had 3 interceptions today, instead he escaped with one.
His stat total was 26/38 304 1TD/1INT good for a QBR of 90.2
What I saw was a raw rookie that made some good throws but also made some really bad throws. Some of these throws were miscommunications, which given it's his first game, you can give him a bit of a pass. But again, this guy should have thrown 3 picks, but he got lucky.
I won't say he's bad, he shows promise, but to say he's better than Minshew is laughable. If you think Minshew is mediocre, Jake Luton isn't going to be any less mediocre based on what I saw today, infact he may be more mediocre based on what I saw today. Although mad props for the whitest white boy spin move I've seen for the TD scramble today. Either way, need more games under his belt to get a fair evaluation, but aside from throwing a faster/harder ball and 5 extra inches of height, I'm not seeing much else that looks better than what Minshew has shown thus far. Maybe he can develop to be better than Minshew because he possesses traits that Minshew can't obtain without some South Park Dolphin surgery, but considering how incompetent our coaching staff is at actually developing talent, it's a pipe dream.
Excuse me. It's intensive purposes around here.
(11-08-2020, 11:19 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 11:12 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]I swear this board is so ridiculous at times. Luton by all extents and purposes, should have had 3 interceptions today, instead he escaped with one.
His stat total was 26/38 304 1TD/1INT good for a QBR of 90.2
What I saw was a raw rookie that made some good throws but also made some really bad throws. Some of these throws were miscommunications, which given it's his first game, you can give him a bit of a pass. But again, this guy should have thrown 3 picks, but he got lucky.
I won't say he's bad, he shows promise, but to say he's better than Minshew is laughable. If you think Minshew is mediocre, Jake Luton isn't going to be any less mediocre based on what I saw today, infact he may be more mediocre based on what I saw today. Although mad props for the whitest white boy spin move I've seen for the TD scramble today. Either way, need more games under his belt to get a fair evaluation, but aside from throwing a faster/harder ball and 5 extra inches of height, I'm not seeing much else that looks better than what Minshew has shown thus far. Maybe he can develop to be better than Minshew because he possesses traits that Minshew can't obtain without some South Park Dolphin surgery, but considering how incompetent our coaching staff is at actually developing talent, it's a pipe dream.
Excuse me. It's intensive purposes around here.
Uh, intents and purposes.
For a guy thrown in the fire, Luton had a heck of a debut.
-Has a strong arm and Chark was able to use his speed to utilize it.
-He is no Statue in the pocket. Uses his legs well and can make the defense pay like he did the last drive
-Accurate. Outside of a few bad throws he was Accurate most of the day. He was hitting wr's in stride.
-This kid has some Moxy. I never seen him get rattled and he is not afraid to take a hit. You can't coach that!
Too early to tell against this bad Houston team. Impressive debut by any measure for a rookie who had little time to prepare! Threw for over 300 yds his first game.
(11-08-2020, 11:35 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2020, 11:19 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Excuse me. It's intensive purposes around here.
Uh, intents and purposes.
I'm guessing Senor was joking.
(11-08-2020, 11:12 PM)Minshew Mania Wrote: [ -> ]I swear this board is so ridiculous at times. Luton by all extents and purposes, should have had 3 interceptions today, instead he escaped with one.
His stat total was 26/38 304 1TD/1INT good for a QBR of 90.2
What I saw was a raw rookie that made some good throws but also made some really bad throws. Some of these throws were miscommunications, which given it's his first game, you can give him a bit of a pass. But again, this guy should have thrown 3 picks, but he got lucky.
I won't say he's bad, he shows promise, but to say he's better than Minshew is laughable. If you think Minshew is mediocre, Jake Luton isn't going to be any less mediocre based on what I saw today, infact he may be more mediocre based on what I saw today. Although mad props for the whitest white boy spin move I've seen for the TD scramble today. Either way, need more games under his belt to get a fair evaluation, but aside from throwing a faster/harder ball and 5 extra inches of height, I'm not seeing much else that looks better than what Minshew has shown thus far. Maybe he can develop to be better than Minshew because he possesses traits that Minshew can't obtain without some South Park Dolphin surgery, but considering how incompetent our coaching staff is at actually developing talent, it's a pipe dream.
In any given week, I could say the same thing about Minshew though.
Let’s see what happens when defenses scheme for him.
The board dubs him next great hype. Please pour in your enthusiasm and we all get to see enough to stay right where we are year after year.
He was alright. Suitable for a development project with good upside and low risk. Just like last year with a different guy. Line still broke down at the wrong times. Defense still was ran through.
Front office is the same. Coaches are the same. Roster is the same. Going to be 1 or 2 wins that limit some of our options. Just like most years where we pick in top 10 but miss out.
Waiting on change.