(01-04-2021, 06:24 AM)AlsJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2021, 04:13 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If we hire Meyer before hiring a GM, we're getting the bottom of the barrel. Who would want to come to a team where they let you buy the groceries, but you can't hire your own chef? If they are gonna force a head coach on the new GM, that is gonna eliminate all the best candidates.
It would be typical of this clueless ownership and ruin all the goodwill the fans had after finally seeing some hope on the horizon. So, it's probably gonna happen, because that's what the Jaguars do.
So why is hiring the HC before the GM a problem? Either way you slice it their philosophies have to line up. I can understand being upset if the HC is hired and the GM is hired without the input of the HC. Just like I can understand getting upset that the HC was hired without the input of the GM. The chances of their styles meshing are very low if neither party has the input. However, if either is hired before the other and they get a say in the candidate, what does it matter? The HC coaches the GM finds the talent. If their philosophies are the same it doesn't really matter, at least in my eyes.
Just because a team hires the best GM available and the best HC available doesn't mean success. They have to have the same ideas on how to run a team and what type of team they want to field, if they do and the GM finds the talent and the HC can coach that talent, I don't see the problem.
Am I missing something?
I Concur w/your sentiments but I'll add to the frey.
1.) If Meyers or any HC is hired prior to the GM and given total control of player personnel (ie Coughlin), the GM could bring in all the talent in the world and the HC will have the power of veto.
I sincerely agree that both will have to be on the same page in order for this scenario to be successful.
2.) Meyers may prefer Fields as our franchise QB and we all know why. He MUST trust the do-diligence w\respect to the scouting department and the will of the GM. They'll be ALOT of fans Seriously Upset if this were to happen. Fans would be going for his jugular w/o him coming up w/a game plan.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(01-04-2021, 07:01 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 06:24 AM)AlsJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]So why is hiring the HC before the GM a problem? Either way you slice it their philosophies have to line up. I can understand being upset if the HC is hired and the GM is hired without the input of the HC. Just like I can understand getting upset that the HC was hired without the input of the GM. The chances of their styles meshing are very low if neither party has the input. However, if either is hired before the other and they get a say in the candidate, what does it matter? The HC coaches the GM finds the talent. If their philosophies are the same it doesn't really matter, at least in my eyes.
Just because a team hires the best GM available and the best HC available doesn't mean success. They have to have the same ideas on how to run a team and what type of team they want to field, if they do and the GM finds the talent and the HC can coach that talent, I don't see the problem.
Am I missing something?
I Concur w/your sentiments but I'll add to the frey.
1.) If Meyers or any HC is hired prior to the GM and given total control of player personnel (ie Coughlin), the GM could bring in all the talent in the world and the HC will have the power of veto.
I sincerely agree that both will have to be on the same page in order for this scenario to be successful.
2.) Meyers may prefer Fields as our franchise QB and we all know why. He MUST trust the do-diligence w\respect to the scouting department and the will of the GM. They'll be ALOT of fans Seriously Upset if this were to happen. Fans would be going for his jugular w/o him coming up w/a game plan.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
Urban Meyer never coached Justin Fields. Fields transferred to OSU after Meyer left.
Also, Urban Meyer called Trevor Lawrence "the best quarterback in college football." So there's no indication that Meyer would prefer Fields over Lawrence.
(01-04-2021, 07:15 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 07:01 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I Concur w/your sentiments but I'll add to the frey.
1.) If Meyers or any HC is hired prior to the GM and given total control of player personnel (ie Coughlin), the GM could bring in all the talent in the world and the HC will have the power of veto.
I sincerely agree that both will have to be on the same page in order for this scenario to be successful.
2.) Meyers may prefer Fields as our franchise QB and we all know why. He MUST trust the do-diligence w\respect to the scouting department and the will of the GM. They'll be ALOT of fans Seriously Upset if this were to happen. Fans would be going for his jugular w/o him coming up w/a game plan.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
Urban Meyer never coached Justin Fields. Fields transferred to OSU after Meyer left.
Also, Urban Meyer called Trevor Lawrence "the best quarterback in college football." So there's no indication that Meyer would prefer Fields over Lawrence.
Dooley Noted. I saw this on another post of which I would've sworn that Fields and Meyer were there for one year. Also I was unaware of his comment(s) on Lawwrence.
NH3...
Ran into a guy who just moved to Maryland from Jacksonville at the grocery store.
We both said “Trevor!” before discussing GMs and Urban. First time I’ve talked to another Jags fan in person in a while hahaha
I don’t know what to prefer here but I just want it to be right.
(01-04-2021, 08:30 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Ran into a guy who just moved to Maryland from Jacksonville at the grocery store.
We both said “Trevor!” before discussing GMs and Urban. First time I’ve talked to another Jags fan in person in a while hahaha
I don’t know what to prefer here but I just want it to be right.
I live in Ohio and in 25 years, I think I've run into 4 Jaguars fans here. In that time, we just kinda looked at one another and gave a depressing groan. I hope that changes now.
Apparently Shad has told prospective GMs he is in control of the roster. Oh boy.
(01-04-2021, 12:27 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently Shad has told prospective GMs he is in control of the roster. Oh boy.
He told the media he is in control of roster
spending.
He isn't asserting that he will be making personnel decisions. Wants to control the cap management after Coughlin screwed it up.
Everyone on Twitter going nuts on Shad's comments about roster control. I think he means, he doesn't want to continue losing the Ramseys of the world and people acting like he said he will be making all the picks.
(01-04-2021, 12:45 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 12:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/HaysCarlyon/status/1...39712?s=20
Sounds to me like a Meyer/TLaw combo.. Like it or not, we'll see..
From the chatter, it sounds like the job is Meyer's if he wants it. People had gotten used to the wine-and-roses positivity of Bradley and the aw-shucks, we tried self-deprecating Marrone; wanting a coach with more intensity. Well, here it (potentially) comes, lol. Local media will be whining for sure.
Anyway, as we see in New England, the QB is more important to the success of a franchise than the coach.
Saw the tweet that we are interviewing Fontenot. That's a great start. He along with Dodds and Borgonzi are the best 3 candidates IMO.
(01-04-2021, 09:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Saw the tweet that we are interviewing Fontenot. That's a great start. He along with Dodds and Borgonzi are the best 3 candidates IMO.
That gives me a lot of hope. At least we are recognizing guys from successful systems. Those are definitely 3 of my top 5 candidates. I'd be thrilled to get any of them.
(01-04-2021, 01:30 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 12:45 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds to me like a Meyer/TLaw combo.. Like it or not, we'll see..
From the chatter, it sounds like the job is Meyer's if he wants it. People had gotten used to the wine-and-roses positivity of Bradley and the aw-shucks, we tried self-deprecating Marrone; wanting a coach with more intensity. Well, here it (potentially) comes, lol. Local media will be whining for sure.
Anyway, as we see in New England, the QB is more important to the success of a franchise than the coach.
So intense he overlooks the criminality of players and the domestic abuse of assistant coaches! What an awesome human being!
Not to mention he has literally zero NFL experience or connections and may or may not have health issues related to stress that could cause him to quit at any time.
Sounds just like a Jags type move.
(12-26-2020, 07:43 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ranchises/
"Those who think the Jets killed the future of their franchise by winning on Sunday and giving the Jaguars the lead in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes may want to look at how Super Bowl winners are built. It’s hardly ever by losing enough to earn the first overall pick, and using that pick on a franchise quarterback.
"In fact, of the NFL’s eight current division leaders, none drafted their quarterback first overall. None even drafted their quarterback in the Top 5."
Yes, I still want to draft Trevor Lawrence, and yes, he will help us immensely. But I think we should also entertain the thought that an even better way to become a great team is to get a great General Manager. And that makes the choice of GM obviously the most important thing for this franchise to do this offseason. By far.
No, That's not how this works.
What the article should have pointed out is that of the 8 divisional champions, You have 6 Tried and True Franchise QB's, Ryan Tannehill who just threw for 3800 yards, 33 tds 7 picks and looks like someone taking the step to becoming a Franchise Guy and Alex Smith a quality qb (who oddly enough was drafted #1 overall).
The fact most of them weren't drafted #1 overall speaks to the eccentricities of the QB position and the difficulty evaluating it, not the lack of its importance. GM's come and go, Coaches Come and go. You have to have THE GUY! IF Lawrence is THE GUY then he trumps everything.
(01-04-2021, 10:37 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 01:30 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]From the chatter, it sounds like the job is Meyer's if he wants it. People had gotten used to the wine-and-roses positivity of Bradley and the aw-shucks, we tried self-deprecating Marrone; wanting a coach with more intensity. Well, here it (potentially) comes, lol. Local media will be whining for sure.
Anyway, as we see in New England, the QB is more important to the success of a franchise than the coach.
So intense he overlooks the criminality of players and the domestic abuse of assistant coaches! What an awesome human being!
Not to mention he has literally zero NFL experience or connections and may or may not have health issues related to stress that could cause him to quit at any time.
Sounds just like a Jags type move.
Yep. I don't like it because I see Nick Saban all over again - as soon as he realizes that it's not as easy as out-recruiting the opposition how willing is Urbz to stick around? He's already abandoned two jobs on short notice for health/family reasons (allegedly), and leaves a trail of slime in his wake.
I'm not looking for a coach ready to ride off into the sunset. Urbz doesn't NEED this job. It gives me a weird feeling. I may be wrong, but I am not comfortable giving him the reins.
(01-04-2021, 10:37 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2021, 01:30 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]From the chatter, it sounds like the job is Meyer's if he wants it. People had gotten used to the wine-and-roses positivity of Bradley and the aw-shucks, we tried self-deprecating Marrone; wanting a coach with more intensity. Well, here it (potentially) comes, lol. Local media will be whining for sure.
Anyway, as we see in New England, the QB is more important to the success of a franchise than the coach.
So intense he overlooks the criminality of players and the domestic abuse of assistant coaches! What an awesome human being!
Not to mention he has literally zero NFL experience or connections and may or may not have health issues related to stress that could cause him to quit at any time.
Sounds just like a Jags type move.
Wow, Gators are some bitter [BLEEP] fans, really bitter.