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Trevor Lawrence favorite player was Peyton Manning. He gonna demand a trade to Indianapolis

I'd rather draft a BETTER QB with no major injury history with our 1st pick rather than giving it up for someone of lesser talent.

With the 1st pick and Trevor Lawrence available? Not a chance.

Now if we had the 2nd pick or TLAW decided to stay in school, i'd atleast give it some thought before I'd ultimately say no.

NO --- Another major factor is Trevor will be playing on a Rookie Contract so the 1st 4 years are relatively cheap for a franchise QB.

Only way I would trade for Watson is if we were out of Lawrence or Fields range, but I doubt Houston would keep him in the division unless they had a pick that could involve one of those two.

I mean there is no way I would trade the #1 overall pick.. but it's a different conversation if you are talking about the second 1st round pick. I could imagine a scenario where it could make sense. I've come to realize the people on this forum are for the most part ridiculous, they want a forum page to talk about Jaguars, but give 1 or 2 words on any given post. That or its some attempt at insulting your intelligence for even asking something or making a suggestion. It's like we should all just be silent lol.

It's not impossible to imagine Watson coming here for the second pick in the first round. It would certainly give us a proven QB, maybe not the potential <-- of Lawrence. Also, it would give us the ability to trade out of #1 for a ridiculous amount to build with. OBVIOUSLY this isn't going to happen. But I like to think the forum is for these kind of rabbit holes to explore. I actually think if Watson is traded it would probably be the Patriots making that move.

And here it comes.

(01-07-2021, 07:11 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2021, 04:11 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Burn this thread..

Honestly. I saw the thread title and thought wow!

I mean, I couldn't NOT share this ridiculousness with everyone here

Pretty surprised that it's such a staunch no from literally everyone. Watson is a guaranteed top 5 QB on a very expensive contract, but one that we can easily afford.

Lawrence SHOULD be around that good while on a rookie deal, but it would be awfully tempting to lock in the top 5 QB and not take the risk. I would proooooobably lean Lawrence but it's far from laughable like y'all are saying.

Fwiw, twitter is mostly saying it would be a slam dunk the other way.

EDIT: After reading more it seems like the sticking point is y'all are simply the only people in the world that don't agree he is a top 5 QB lol.

Watson is better than I thought he would be. The Texans are making odd choices with building around him. I really wouldn't want another team's QB. Give us a clean slate and franchise first picking at the top.

Considering i screamed at the TV for us to draft him (Watson) during his draft year... only to be let down by our regime, i would still adamantly say NO to this question.

Like many have already mentioned, were not really in a 'Just a QB away' situation here... or perhaps, it'd at least be worth more entertaining the outcomes of either scenario. that being said, even if that's the case - i dont see Watson being rated higher then Lawrence... so ultimately, it's still a giant NO from me.

(01-07-2021, 11:57 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty surprised that it's such a staunch no from literally everyone. Watson is a guaranteed top 5 QB on a very expensive contract, but one that we can easily afford.

Lawrence SHOULD be around that good while on a rookie deal, but it would be awfully tempting to lock in the top 5 QB and not take the risk. I would proooooobably lean Lawrence but it's far from laughable like y'all are saying.

Fwiw, twitter is mostly saying it would be a slam dunk the other way.

EDIT: After reading more it seems like the sticking point is y'all are simply the only people in the world that don't agree he is a top 5 QB lol.

Watson is great, but Lawrence is younger, cheaper (for now) and is only going to cost us 1 draft pick. It would take more than just the 1st overall pick to get Watson. I'd rather use those extra picks and money else where.

(01-08-2021, 01:14 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Watson is great, but Lawrence is younger, cheaper (for now) and is only going to cost us 1 draft pick. It would take more than just the 1st overall pick to get Watson. I'd rather use those extra picks and money else where.

My assumption is it was a straight up discussion. I would not give anything on top. Heck, like I said I probably wouldn't do it...but it would and should be awfully tempting to just cash the #1 pick in for the proven elite QB.

(01-08-2021, 01:19 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2021, 01:14 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Watson is great, but Lawrence is younger, cheaper (for now) and is only going to cost us 1 draft pick. It would take more than just the 1st overall pick to get Watson. I'd rather use those extra picks and money else where.

My assumption is it was a straight up discussion. I would not give anything on top. Heck, like I said I probably wouldn't do it...but it would and should be awfully tempting to just cash the #1 pick in for the proven elite QB.

I think there'd be zero chance for a straight up trade like that. If Tunsil, Mack, Ramsey, Adams etc all got multiple 1st rounders ++, why would a proven elite QB go for less?

Bias against a division rival is showing in this thread. Wouldn't be nearly as one sided as some of you are making it seem. That being said I would also stand pat and draft Lawrence.

I’d rather keep Lawrence and whatever else we would have to give up. An added bonus would be watching Houston trade Watson out of the division.

Not to mention the huge amount of Front Office wisdom this team would gain by trading for Watson.

(01-07-2021, 01:14 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on a AFCS FB page I follow. Someone said they would give our 1st overall pick for Deshaun Watson because they "have seen what he can do"

I laughed, thought about it, and then laughed some more. There is NO WAY I would trade the potential of Trevor Lawrence for Deshaun Watson, even on cheap contract.

You wouldn't trade Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, prime Peyton/Brees for Watson. No possible way. And that's the type of talent Lawrence can be. This is along the lines of people on twitter and whatnot saying to take Fields/Wilson or even Mac Jones ahead of Lawrence... just stupid.

But it bears asking, would you trade *this years* #1 for Watson? With Lawrence on the line. Not talking about a #1 where the top pick is Eric Fisher or even a Chase Young type DE.

Not at all.

Going off of Joey B's 1st-pick deal last year, whoever we take is going to be roughly 7M against the cap, with gradual progression upward. You trade for Watson, while you don't pay his bonus, next year he costs 10M, the year after that $35M (!) GUARANTEED, then 37, 32, 32 for the duration of the contract. Gimme the rook and the cap space to build young talent around him.

Watson IMO is good, not great, basically a Matt Ryan or Phil Rivers level of talent - he won't kill you with horribad QB play, but I'm not breaking the bank to bring him here because he's stuck in hell. If we were a team that was already built, and just a QB away, I might say bring him in before the window closes, otherwise we are throwing away a lot of opportunity to bring a QB into a build.

(01-08-2021, 01:30 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2021, 01:19 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]My assumption is it was a straight up discussion. I would not give anything on top. Heck, like I said I probably wouldn't do it...but it would and should be awfully tempting to just cash the #1 pick in for the proven elite QB.

I think there'd be zero chance for a straight up trade like that. If Tunsil, Mack, Ramsey, Adams etc all got multiple 1st rounders ++, why would a proven elite QB go for less?

Because this is a very, very special first rounder.

(01-07-2021, 04:27 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, no thanks to that trade.

Now, can Watson even be traded with that deal?

HOU is tight against the cap, currently showing an overage for next year. I think they can rework some deals or purge some of the roster to get back under.

On Watson's side, I think he is absolutely tradeable with that deal. You aren't trading for the prorated bonus, HOU would eat that as dead money; the guarantees come out to 2 years for $45.5M. After that, you could actually cut him with no dead money on your own cap. Or, more likely, you redo the deal (which I am sure he will request, if he has an agent worth a darn) to convert the remaining salary into a bonus to spread out the $30-odd million price tags at the end of his deal.

Someone like SF would be a great spot for him to land. They are probably the most built team in need of QB.

Watson is reportedly very unhappy with his situation. Why relieve the Texans of this burden? Why not leave Watson where he is, and force the Texans to deal with an unhappy player, thereby undermining a division rival?