(01-11-2021, 07:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2021, 08:12 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If I was taking a QB currently in the NFL to lead my team for the next 10+ years, Mahomes is the only QB i'd take over Watson. Age + Talent they are 1a and 1b. So yes, I would bet my money on the guy i've seen play at a top 5 level over a college player who is hyped, not proven.
Not sure what you're trying to say?
The steelers thread was a joke about the fact that we usually can't even win at losing. And Doug Marrone is not that bad of a coach, when we had talent we went to the playoffs. I didn't say he was a great coach, but do you honestly think we would have gone to the AFCC game with Bradley or Mularkey?
He isnt younger, nor is he more talented than Josh Allen and if we want to look at numbers, he was better this year but last year he was on par with Minshew
Let's cool the jets on Josh Allen, he has had one good year. He looks like he's going to be a baller but also one has to wonder how much Stefon Diggs has to do with that.
(01-11-2021, 08:00 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 07:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He isnt younger, nor is he more talented than Josh Allen and if we want to look at numbers, he was better this year but last year he was on par with Minshew
Let's cool the jets on Josh Allen, he has had one good year. He looks like he's going to be a baller but also one has to wonder how much Stefon Diggs has to do with that.
But we are talking about who is younger, more talented, and who we think will be better. Allen has improved every year since he's been in the league. Same with drafting a player, im not gonna take who I feel was the best player in college or who has been the best player. I want to take who I feel will be the best player in the future or who will have the best career. This is Diggs first year with Allen and he had by far his best year and led the league in receiving, alot of his success could be because of Allen. Beasley also had his best year and led the league in receiving yards from the slot, the most by any WR from the slot since 2017
Here's an interesting fact: Deshaun Watson has a no-trade clause in his contract. He cannot be traded without his permission.
There are folks on this board who think Minshew is better than Lamar Jackson...I've learned that a lot on this board don't really know anything about QBs lol.
Anyway to answer the question. I wouldn't trade the #1 overall pick.
(01-11-2021, 08:00 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 07:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He isnt younger, nor is he more talented than Josh Allen and if we want to look at numbers, he was better this year but last year he was on par with Minshew
Let's cool the jets on Josh Allen, he has had one good year. He looks like he's going to be a baller but also one has to wonder how much Stefon Diggs has to do with that.
And the streak continues
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Absolutely not. You want Trevor to perform under that rookie contract and have $$ for other players. You’d have to pay Watson.
(01-10-2021, 03:38 PM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2021, 03:30 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Deshaun Watson >>>> Tua by a longshot.
I know Tua's career is just a fart in the wind at this point in terms of # of games but I don't believe he will become a better player than Deshaun Watson as a one-for-one comparison.
And as a Jags fan, I'd love it if they got rid of Watson for Tua but they'd have to be braindead to do something like that unless the Dolphins give up a multitude of good draft picks.
Disagree. Everything about Tua is better.
If the Texans don't want a supposed "Franchise elite QB" then that guy is not really a top 5 QB.
Tua is trash. But I would expect a ‘tank’ commander to want him, lol, He would be good for that. Guy has Gabbert like games. If Miami wasn’t so good in the other phases or if he was on the jets or is, everyone would know he’s a bust.
(01-12-2021, 01:44 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2021, 03:38 PM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ]Disagree. Everything about Tua is better.
If the Texans don't want a supposed "Franchise elite QB" then that guy is not really a top 5 QB.
Tua is trash. But I would expect a ‘tank’ commander to want him, lol, He would be good for that. Guy has Gabbert like games. If Miami wasn’t so good in the other phases or if he was on the jets or is, everyone would know he’s a bust.
Tua is awful. If you put Watson on that team they'd be dangerous.
But to be fair, Houston sucks right now even with Watson, Miami is meh with Tua. Do you weaken Houston further by removing Watson but strengthen a conference opponent in the process? Probably.
I know there have been 6 pages, so I don't have the time to weed through and see if this has been mentioned:
No.
(01-12-2021, 12:27 PM)DangerousBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I know there have been 6 pages, so I don't have the time to weed through and see if this has been mentioned:
No.
This is all you need to know: Watson has a no trade clause in his contract, so he can veto any trade. I doubt he would want to come here. I would think he would rather be traded to a team that is closer to contending.
Texans would have to offer a boat load of draft picks as well... i mean, high draft picks... 1st's 2nd's etc.
This thread has to be owned and operated by the Houston organization BEGGING us to make this ridiculous trade to get them out of the purgatory they are currently entering. Problem is if we do this we go through the purgatory instead of them so.....NO
(01-11-2021, 11:34 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 08:00 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Let's cool the jets on Josh Allen, he has had one good year. He looks like he's going to be a baller but also one has to wonder how much Stefon Diggs has to do with that.
And the streak continues
My entire argument on this thread has to do with, would you rather take a proven top 10 qb over someone who has yet to prove themself. If Josh Allen has proven himself based on one year to you, you musta been clamoring for Bortles extension in 2015 right? Josh Allen looks like he will be a stud but why would i pick Josh Allen over Watson when Watson has had multiple years under his belt playing at the same elite level Allen has this year?
(01-12-2021, 01:14 AM)WVUJagsman Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely not. You want Trevor to perform under that rookie contract and have $$ for other players. You’d have to pay Watson.
What good is his cheap contract if he happens to be a bust?
You just like to argue whether it makes sense or not...lol
(01-12-2021, 05:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You just like to argue whether it makes sense or not...lol
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
We have a winner.
(01-12-2021, 01:41 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]Texans would have to offer a boat load of draft picks as well... i mean, high draft picks... 1st's 2nd's etc.
That's something they don't have at the moment.
(01-12-2021, 05:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You just like to argue whether it makes sense or not...lol
If you are talking about me its not so much that i like to argue, but more that i enjoy debating things and seeing other peoples point of view. Sadly tho on this forum if you don’t follow the sheep you get insulted. I form my own opinions these days when it comes to the draft because the so called experts are wrong 99% of the time.
(01-12-2021, 04:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 11:34 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]And the streak continues
My entire argument on this thread has to do with, would you rather take a proven top 10 qb over someone who has yet to prove themself. If Josh Allen has proven himself based on one year to you, you musta been clamoring for Bortles extension in 2015 right? Josh Allen looks like he will be a stud but why would i pick Josh Allen over Watson when Watson has had multiple years under his belt playing at the same elite level Allen has this year?
(01-12-2021, 01:14 AM)WVUJagsman Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely not. You want Trevor to perform under that rookie contract and have $$ for other players. You’d have to pay Watson.
What good is his cheap contract if he happens to be a bust?
OMG you really love posting stupid [BLEEP]
(01-12-2021, 11:54 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2021, 04:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]My entire argument on this thread has to do with, would you rather take a proven top 10 qb over someone who has yet to prove themself. If Josh Allen has proven himself based on one year to you, you musta been clamoring for Bortles extension in 2015 right? Josh Allen looks like he will be a stud but why would i pick Josh Allen over Watson when Watson has had multiple years under his belt playing at the same elite level Allen has this year?
What good is his cheap contract if he happens to be a bust?
OMG you really love posting stupid [BLEEP]
I have a somewhat informed opinion on trevor lawrence because unlike you, i didnt hear what espn said and watch his highlights and just agree with them based on nothing. Its the same reason i think justin fields being considered at the top of the draft is such a joke. Lawrence has potential based on his physical talent, which can be fantastic or it could mean nothing and the entire point of me saying id strongly consider Watson is because i know im getting a stud Qb where as even tho Lawrence could potentially be better, he has a much higher chance of not being as good.
If you dont like my opinion thats fine tho. This is a forum aka a place for people to discuss things. If you wanna talk [BLEEP] go to r/roast or something lmao.
(01-13-2021, 12:01 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]ChrisJagBoy
(01-12-2021, 11:54 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]OMG you really love posting stupid [BLEEP]
I have a somewhat informed opinion on trevor lawrence because unlike you, i didnt hear what espn said and watch his highlights and just agree with them based on nothing. Its the same reason i think justin fields being considered at the top of the draft is such a joke. Lawrence has potential based on his physical talent, which can be fantastic or it could mean nothing and the entire point of me saying id strongly consider Watson is because i know im getting a stud Qb where as even tho Lawrence could potentially be better, he has a much higher chance of not being as good.
If you dont like my opinion thats fine tho. This is a forum aka a place for people to discuss things. If you wanna talk [BLEEP] go to r/roast or something lmao.
ESPN? haha you are so obsessed with those guys xD
Watch Diggs numbers with and without Allen and you are trying to say Diggs made Allen? LOL
Jefferson had a better season with Cousins than Diggs ever had
And this is the first year Watson has over 26 TDs and you say "when Watson has had multiple years under his belt playing at the same elite level Allen has this year?" not to mention he had the best WR in the NFL.
Meanwhile Watson before this year:
2017 1699 yards 19 TDs 8 ints
2018 4165 yards 26 TDs 9 ints
2019 3852 yards 26 TDs 12 ints
Allen this year:
4544 yards and 37 TD 10 ints plus 8 more TDs rushing