Watson led the league in total yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completion this year. He was basically top 5 in everything else. Lawrence could be really freaking good and likely never have a season as good as the one Watson just had. So much bias dear god.
(01-08-2021, 10:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Watson led the league in total yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completion this year. He was basically top 5 in everything else. Lawrence could be really freaking good and likely never have a season as good as the one Watson just had. So much bias dear god.
Still only won 4 games though, which shows that stats can be way over blown/over rated at the end of the day.
(01-08-2021, 10:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Watson led the league in total yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completion this year. He was basically top 5 in everything else. Lawrence could be really freaking good and likely never have a season as good as the one Watson just had. So much bias dear god.
lol, Blake Bortles had a year where he threw more TDs and almost as many yards with a trash oline and 3 2nd year WRs if we are just looking at numbers
(01-08-2021, 10:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 10:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Watson led the league in total yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completion this year. He was basically top 5 in everything else. Lawrence could be really freaking good and likely never have a season as good as the one Watson just had. So much bias dear god.
lol, Blake Bortles had a year where he threw more TDs and almost as many yards with a trash oline and 3 2nd year WRs if we are just looking at numbers
And Bortles rate stats in 2015 were exactly average. Watson's are elite.
(01-08-2021, 10:40 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Still only won 4 games though, which shows that stats can be way over blown/over rated at the end of the day.
I'm definitely not arguing that his supporting cast was anything but awful.
(01-07-2021, 05:20 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2021, 05:17 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Wait.... what?
I hope Watson gets traded out of the division too. But Darnold is hot garbage
Let me clarify. Darnold has an immense amount of talent, but it results in zero wins for his team because he has nothing around him. And that lack of a surrounding cast has virtually ruined him.
Watson nets maybe 5 wins for the Texans for the next several years. That's all I mean.
I swear i'm not trying to be an [BLEEP] to you or anything but..
That's a terrible comparision, Darnold isn't worthy to be Watsons backup.
(01-08-2021, 06:19 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 05:49 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think some of you might be braindead lol no offense. If Lawrence becomes close to Watsons level it will be a win.
D Watson stats (Career)
Cmp Pct: 67.8
yds: 14,539
TDs: 104
INTS: 36
RTG: 104.5
I'd trade both our first for him and would be perfectly happy.
EDIT: Btw incase any of you are looking at how bad the Texans season was this year, that wasn't on Watson.
2020 stats:
CMP 70.2
YDS 4,823
TDS 33
INTS 7
RTG 112.4
Yeah Watson's an excellent player, dunno why people are so down on him but no way do you trade Lawrence for him, even with the risks. The ceiling is theoretically higher.
I'm sorry but i would absolutely take a surefire top 5-10 QB over someone who hasn't played yet. But, it wont happen so it's irrelvant.
(01-08-2021, 10:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 10:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Watson led the league in total yards, yards per attempt, and yards per completion this year. He was basically top 5 in everything else. Lawrence could be really freaking good and likely never have a season as good as the one Watson just had. So much bias dear god.
lol, Blake Bortles had a year where he threw more TDs and almost as many yards with a trash oline and 3 2nd year WRs if we are just looking at numbers
Watsons been good, every year. not just this one.
If Watsons best year as a pro only netted the team 4 wins then I would rather take my shot with Lawrence. He's not elite, elite players elevate the team to top tear when they would otherwise be 4 win teams.
I would really challenge everyone to go and pull up Watsons split stats this year and Bortles from 2015 as they very similar.
Not even looking at the 4 wins this year but Watson couldn't get it done when they had the best WR in the league and an elite defense. Last year they were up by more than 20 in the playoffs and choked. Watson is like Russell Westbrook
The QB is the only player on the entire team.
I know Watson is a really good QB, definitely a top-10 QB, and I know Trevor Lawrence is unproven, and I know that TL definitely has a higher ceiling and a lower floor than DW, but I would not make that trade.
Trevor Lawrence represents a new beginning for this franchise. He will sell tickets. He will pull in fans. He'll pull in a lot of young fans. He will draw media coverage. He will sell jerseys. I think he had some influence on getting Lot J approved. Lot J might bring in enough extra revenue on game days to persuade Khan that he doesn't need to play in London.
Plus, DeShaun Watson has a huge contract. He costs about $35 million a year. Joe Burrow signed a 4 year deal for a TOTAL of $36 million. With the difference in those two contracts, we could easily sign a premium free agent like Leonard Williams. So in a sense, you'd be trading Trevor Lawrence and Leonard Williams for Deshaun Watson.
Plus, Watson is very unhappy right now. I like our division rival having a very important, very unhappy player. I don't want to relieve them of that problem.
(01-08-2021, 06:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 05:49 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think some of you might be braindead lol no offense. If Lawrence becomes close to Watsons level it will be a win.
D Watson stats (Career)
Cmp Pct: 67.8
yds: 14,539
TDs: 104
INTS: 36
RTG: 104.5
I'd trade both our first for him and would be perfectly happy.
EDIT: Btw incase any of you are looking at how bad the Texans season was this year, that wasn't on Watson.
2020 stats:
CMP 70.2
YDS 4,823
TDS 33
INTS 7
RTG 112.4
Lol, talks about brain dead and then says he would trade one of the best QB prospects ever with a higher ceiling plus another 1st for a guy thats good, 154 mil contract but not even a top 5 QB and wants to play owner and make the call on the GM, ha
If I was taking a QB currently in the NFL to lead my team for the next 10+ years, Mahomes is the only QB i'd take over Watson. Age + Talent they are 1a and 1b. So yes, I would bet my money on the guy i've seen play at a top 5 level over a college player who is hyped, not proven.
(01-08-2021, 06:57 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2021, 05:49 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think some of you might be braindead lol no offense. If Lawrence becomes close to Watsons level it will be a win.
D Watson stats (Career)
Cmp Pct: 67.8
yds: 14,539
TDs: 104
INTS: 36
RTG: 104.5
I'd trade both our first for him and would be perfectly happy.
EDIT: Btw incase any of you are looking at how bad the Texans season was this year, that wasn't on Watson.
2020 stats:
CMP 70.2
YDS 4,823
TDS 33
INTS 7
RTG 112.4
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=33563
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=33542
Not sure what you're trying to say?
The steelers thread was a joke about the fact that we usually can't even win at losing. And Doug Marrone is not that bad of a coach, when we had talent we went to the playoffs. I didn't say he was a great coach, but do you honestly think we would have gone to the AFCC game with Bradley or Mularkey?
(01-10-2021, 06:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I know Watson is a really good QB, definitely a top-10 QB, and I know Trevor Lawrence is unproven, and I know that TL definitely has a higher ceiling and a lower floor than DW, but I would not make that trade.
Trevor Lawrence represents a new beginning for this franchise. He will sell tickets. He will pull in fans. He'll pull in a lot of young fans. He will draw media coverage. He will sell jerseys. I think he had some influence on getting Lot J approved. Lot J might bring in enough extra revenue on game days to persuade Khan that he doesn't need to play in London.
Plus, DeShaun Watson has a huge contract. He costs about $35 million a year. Joe Burrow signed a 4 year deal for a TOTAL of $36 million. With the difference in those two contracts, we could easily sign a premium free agent like Leonard Williams. So in a sense, you'd be trading Trevor Lawrence and Leonard Williams for Deshaun Watson.
Plus, Watson is very unhappy right now. I like our division rival having a very important, very unhappy player. I don't want to relieve them of that problem.
Aside from you hearing that TLAW is a generational talent by the same people on TV who said Blaine Gabbert was a viable #1 overall pick in 2011, what leads you to believe he is so good? I'm not trying to sound like one of those people who act like they know everything, but i've watched every throw TLAW has made, he is not nearly as impressive as I was lead to believe he was. He got overly hyped for blowing out Alabama in his first season starting. He is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. He has the size/ability to be good, but nothing he's done in college leads me to believe he's about to out perform a top 5 QB like Watson.
I'm a Jaguar fan first and foremost, but I am not dumb enough to think that Lawrence is going to come into the NFL and be anything Watson already has proven to be.
And btw, all of this is pointless because the Texans would NEVER give us Watson anyways.
(01-09-2021, 09:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not even looking at the 4 wins this year but Watson couldn't get it done when they had the best WR in the league and an elite defense. Last year they were up by more than 20 in the playoffs and choked. Watson is like Russell Westbrook
Go watch that games highlights. Tell me how it was on Watson that they were fumbling kicks offs and having punts blocked?.. come on now.
(01-09-2021, 09:08 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]If Watsons best year as a pro only netted the team 4 wins then I would rather take my shot with Lawrence. He's not elite, elite players elevate the team to top tear when they would otherwise be 4 win teams.
I would really challenge everyone to go and pull up Watsons split stats this year and Bortles from 2015 as they very similar.
Make sure you pull up their stats for each year, not just their "best" year, Watsons been good in every year he's played. Blake had ONE good year, and that's if you can accept 18 INTs as good.
Watson in 4 years: 104 TD's 36 INTs
Blake in 5 years: 103 TD's 75 INTs
Also, Watsons rookie year he was injured for most of it, so let's say 3.5 years. Has more TD's in a season and 1/2 and more than half the picks. Not a good comparision.
The Texans and the City of Houston would throw a parade if Jacksonville agreed to do this. This is like our Foles trade last year on steroids. Troll much or is this your first attempt?
I can't see the texans trading him to a division rival.. he may end up in chicago lolol
However:
- Tinhorns won't trade him inside the division
- Very rare to have the 1st pick in a year when the top QB prospect is so universally lauded
- We need those other picks to bolster several roster deficiencies
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No freaking way do I traded it for Deshawn Watson. I would trade our 2nd 1st round pick for him but not the 1st overall.
(01-07-2021, 01:14 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on a AFCS FB page I follow. Someone said they would give our 1st overall pick for Deshaun Watson because they "have seen what he can do"
I laughed, thought about it, and then laughed some more. There is NO WAY I would trade the potential of Trevor Lawrence for Deshaun Watson, even on cheap contract.
You wouldn't trade Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, prime Peyton/Brees for Watson. No possible way. And that's the type of talent Lawrence can be. This is along the lines of people on twitter and whatnot saying to take Fields/Wilson or even Mac Jones ahead of Lawrence... just stupid.
But it bears asking, would you trade *this years* #1 for Watson? With Lawrence on the line. Not talking about a #1 where the top pick is Eric Fisher or even a Chase Young type DE.
No way do you trade for Watson who already has had a major injury.
He's a smaller QB, with okay but not elite speed.
(01-07-2021, 01:14 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on a AFCS FB page I follow. Someone said they would give our 1st overall pick for Deshaun Watson because they "have seen what he can do"
I laughed, thought about it, and then laughed some more. There is NO WAY I would trade the potential of Trevor Lawrence for Deshaun Watson, even on cheap contract.
You wouldn't trade Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, prime Peyton/Brees for Watson. No possible way. And that's the type of talent Lawrence can be. This is along the lines of people on twitter and whatnot saying to take Fields/Wilson or even Mac Jones ahead of Lawrence... just stupid.
But it bears asking, would you trade *this years* #1 for Watson? With Lawrence on the line. Not talking about a #1 where the top pick is Eric Fisher or even a Chase Young type DE.
Because of Watson's age and ability, he and Mahomes would be the only two I'd give a moment's thought to, but ultimately the answer would be no.
I'll stick with Trevor Lawrence.
Only the New York Jets would be so stupid to trade away Trevor Lawrence for Deshaun Watson.