(10-29-2021, 02:02 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 01:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Not just Minshew though. Cam was getting Bortles destroyed too, and all of the QBs we've had since then. Foles, Kessler, Luton, Glennon. Yeah it's fair that they are all probably below average at pocket awareness, but I think the combined evidence would show that Lawrence is FAR better at raising the oline's perception than all of those QBs were at lowering them
All of these different people who do oline charting all say without exception that our oline has been losing their individual battles for as long as those services have existed. It's not just our eyes and it's not just PFF.
https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/statu...FJ9-A&s=19
Dead average.
The three that stand out to me there are Raiders, Bucs, and Cowboys have worse 'win rates' than us.
(10-29-2021, 02:02 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 01:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Not just Minshew though. Cam was getting Bortles destroyed too, and all of the QBs we've had since then. Foles, Kessler, Luton, Glennon. Yeah it's fair that they are all probably below average at pocket awareness, but I think the combined evidence would show that Lawrence is FAR better at raising the oline's perception than all of those QBs were at lowering them
All of these different people who do oline charting all say without exception that our oline has been losing their individual battles for as long as those services have existed. It's not just our eyes and it's not just PFF.
https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/statu...FJ9-A&s=19
Dead average.
So... Not bad?
I'm sure the usual suspects will sweep it under the rug.
Always wanted to blame the OL when Bortles and Minshew were bad at their jobs.
I remember specifically Glennon filling in and seeing much less pressure and sacks. The OL was the same but the veteran knew how to at least get rid of the ball and sense pressure. Foles in his limited snaps I think fared better too.
TLaw early on held the ball too long and was getting hammered and throwing a lot of INTs. As he improved so did the OL. Weird.
Don't think anyone is saying we have an all-star ol either. Just offering perspective and context. Which a lot of our posters probably don't even understand the concept or definition of the words.
Continuity is key. I keep telling you guys that in any team environment the ability to know your mates is upmost importance. And if you keep this same group next year they'll be even better!
They may struggle individually but as a team they're pretty good.
(10-29-2021, 06:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 02:02 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/statu...FJ9-A&s=19
Dead average.
So... Not bad?
I'm sure the usual suspects will sweep it under the rug.
Always wanted to blame the OL when Bortles and Minshew were bad at their jobs.
I remember specifically Glennon filling in and seeing much less pressure and sacks. The OL was the same but the veteran knew how to at least get rid of the ball and sense pressure. Foles in his limited snaps I think fared better too.
TLaw early on held the ball too long and was getting hammered and throwing a lot of INTs. As he improved so did the OL. Weird.
Don't think anyone is saying we have an all-star ol either. Just offering perspective and context. Which a lot of our posters probably don't even understand the concept or definition of the words.
You had me until you mentioned Foles. He didn't even make it a game.
(10-29-2021, 06:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 02:02 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/statu...FJ9-A&s=19
Dead average.
So... Not bad?
I'm sure the usual suspects will sweep it under the rug.
Always wanted to blame the OL when Bortles and Minshew were bad at their jobs.
I remember specifically Glennon filling in and seeing much less pressure and sacks. The OL was the same but the veteran knew how to at least get rid of the ball and sense pressure. Foles in his limited snaps I think fared better too.
TLaw early on held the ball too long and was getting hammered and throwing a lot of INTs. As he improved so did the OL. Weird.
Don't think anyone is saying we have an all-star ol either. Just offering perspective and context. Which a lot of our posters probably don't even understand the concept or definition of the words.
LOL
wut?
Foles was victim to a blatant whiff by AJ Cann that effectively ended his tenure in Jax as soon as it began.
Too lazy to look it up, but...
Is it also possible the Jags have less sacks because our offense hasn't been on the field as much as other teams? By the way, can't understand the war raged on Cam Robinson on this forum the last few years. He's really not that bad.
Our Offensive line ... has a good rating after 6 games. Why? Was Warhop correct all along?
1. They have a good QB to protect. Protection is a partnership between the O lines and the QB.
2. TL doesn't get all crazy and run into sacks. Bail too early...or wait it is too late to bail.
2. We are playing a last place schedule.
(10-29-2021, 08:02 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 06:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So... Not bad?
I'm sure the usual suspects will sweep it under the rug.
Always wanted to blame the OL when Bortles and Minshew were bad at their jobs.
I remember specifically Glennon filling in and seeing much less pressure and sacks. The OL was the same but the veteran knew how to at least get rid of the ball and sense pressure. Foles in his limited snaps I think fared better too.
TLaw early on held the ball too long and was getting hammered and throwing a lot of INTs. As he improved so did the OL. Weird.
Don't think anyone is saying we have an all-star ol either. Just offering perspective and context. Which a lot of our posters probably don't even understand the concept or definition of the words.
You had me until you mentioned Foles. He didn't even make it a game.
He actually played a couple more later on if you remember the outrage for taking Minshew out, even though he was clearly regressing at that point. Or "figured out". Whatever.
Also, I was one of the outraged before anyone goes and digs up an old thread lol. Figured Minshew should just get the rest of the year as an interview.
Just saying, the smarter and/or more talented or at least tenured (seen a lot of snaps), QBs tend to navigate a pocket better, sense pressure better, and get rid of the ball quicker.
I mean if you hold the ball for 3.5+ seconds every play you're probably getting sacked/pressured a lot.
(10-29-2021, 08:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 06:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So... Not bad?
I'm sure the usual suspects will sweep it under the rug.
Always wanted to blame the OL when Bortles and Minshew were bad at their jobs.
I remember specifically Glennon filling in and seeing much less pressure and sacks. The OL was the same but the veteran knew how to at least get rid of the ball and sense pressure. Foles in his limited snaps I think fared better too.
TLaw early on held the ball too long and was getting hammered and throwing a lot of INTs. As he improved so did the OL. Weird.
Don't think anyone is saying we have an all-star ol either. Just offering perspective and context. Which a lot of our posters probably don't even understand the concept or definition of the words.
LOL
wut?
Foles was victim to a blatant whiff by AJ Cann that effectively ended his tenure in Jax as soon as it began.
He played later on that season.
And we've already established that Cann is bad and our OL can definitely use some upgrades. Try not to get hemmed up on that one play and miss the entire point of my post. Better QBs, and yes Foles was a better QB than most we've had, don't hang the OL out to dry. And therefore when the board goes nuts about our terrible OL they aren't thinking about how the poor QB play may be linked to higher pressures and sacks.
TL is prototypical size with a quick release. That alone takes a second of the Oline clock. I loved Minshew but he didn't have the same height and we had so many batted balls. This line is better than I give them credit for..... true.
Honestly Cam gets crude because he follows in the footsteps of the other great line play we have seen on our team. He is slightly better than average. We have had some really good to great line play in the past.
(10-30-2021, 09:55 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2021, 08:02 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]You had me until you mentioned Foles. He didn't even make it a game.
He actually played a couple more later on if you remember the outrage for taking Minshew out, even though he was clearly regressing at that point. Or "figured out". Whatever.
Also, I was one of the outraged before anyone goes and digs up an old thread lol. Figured Minshew should just get the rest of the year as an interview.
Just saying, the smarter and/or more talented or at least tenured (seen a lot of snaps), QBs tend to navigate a pocket better, sense pressure better, and get rid of the ball quicker.
I mean if you hold the ball for 3.5+ seconds every play you're probably getting sacked/pressured a lot.
(10-29-2021, 08:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
wut?
Foles was victim to a blatant whiff by AJ Cann that effectively ended his tenure in Jax as soon as it began.
He played later on that season.
And we've already established that Cann is bad and our OL can definitely use some upgrades. Try not to get hemmed up on that one play and miss the entire point of my post. Better QBs, and yes Foles was a better QB than most we've had, don't hang the OL out to dry. And therefore when the board goes nuts about our terrible OL they aren't thinking about how the poor QB play may be linked to higher pressures and sacks.
That line was giving up way too many sub-2.5 second pressures. Regardless of who was behind center. It wasn't always "QB -X held the ball too long."
There were blatant protection issues as well.
They are giving up an "average" number of pressures now, but it's mitigated by a talented pocket passer.
(10-28-2021, 03:55 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2021, 03:03 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Per article on jaguars.com. At only 8. Hard to believe.
I guess our offensive line isn’t as bad as we thought it would be going into the season.
It's partly the interior line but mostly TL. Our tackles kinda suck.
[BLEEP]. Mahomes is getting sacked at a higher rate does that mean his a bad QB or is the line?
(10-30-2021, 08:35 PM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2021, 03:55 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's partly the interior line but mostly TL. Our tackles kinda suck.
[BLEEP]. Mahomes is getting sacked at a higher rate does that mean his a bad QB or is the line?
Mahomes is not bad he isnt taking the easy plays a lot of holding the ball going for the homerun that are not working as much this year.
(10-31-2021, 08:15 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2021, 08:35 PM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP]. Mahomes is getting sacked at a higher rate does that mean his a bad QB or is the line?
Mahomes is not bad he isnt taking the easy plays a lot of holding the ball going for the homerun that are not working as much this year.
Mahomes hasn't been in this position with the chiefs before now. He is trying to put the team on his back. He is very talented and young. Every QB has to go through this stuff.
Bet we dont have the least anymore.
(10-31-2021, 07:38 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Bet we dont have the least anymore.
That was a flat out jail break today.
anyone still feeling sunshine and rainbows about this line's protection ability?
And Seattle's pass rush is very not good...
Welp this held up going into a tough stretch
Close thread. Stats are misleading. Jags offensive line actually does suck.
(10-31-2021, 10:17 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 08:15 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is not bad he isnt taking the easy plays a lot of holding the ball going for the homerun that are not working as much this year.
Mahomes hasn't been in this position with the chiefs before now. He is trying to put the team on his back. He is very talented and young. Every QB has to go through this stuff.
....anyone else notice that the franchise QBs struggle once the paycheck comes due? Same happened when Wilson broke Seattle's bank.
You can weather the storm if you can amass picks and hit on them, and it seems like both KC and SEA are lacking in that area, specifically.