(01-10-2024, 09:46 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2024, 09:35 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Why torture yourself dude.
Eh. For every Mikey that doesn't learn anything, I hope there's one or two curious souls who push their knowledge forward. Even though he's probably a lost cause, I just can't stand letting someone get away with such intellectual laziness.
(01-10-2024, 09:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Conspiracy theories like the WEF being actually in control of the things they think they control are the refuge of the frustrated and dissatisfied.
I'm sorry life was less kind to you folks than it was to me.
Hope it changes. Not for me. But for you.
You're a trained monkey.
It's not laziness.
He has given up. He knows there's nothing that can be done. Might as well just be absorbed by the mass of ignorance and willfull stupidity.
(01-12-2024, 11:03 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2024, 09:46 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Eh. For every Mikey that doesn't learn anything, I hope there's one or two curious souls who push their knowledge forward. Even though he's probably a lost cause, I just can't stand letting someone get away with such intellectual laziness.
You're a trained monkey.
It's not laziness.
He has given up. He knows there's nothing that can be done. Might as well just be absorbed by the mass of ignorance and willfull stupidity.
Oo wow more armchair psychology.
I haven't given up at all. I still fight for the things I want. Unfortunately I have to fight against you from time to time.
(01-12-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2024, 11:03 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]It's not laziness.
He has given up. He knows there's nothing that can be done. Might as well just be absorbed by the mass of ignorance and willfull stupidity.
Oo wow more armchair psychology.
I haven't given up at all. I still fight for the things I want. Unfortunately I have to fight against you from time to time.
Defensive much? I'm on your side man.
If I did what I thought was necessary they would say I was a deranged mass shooter. But my rational side understands without an army behind me I'm just yet another crazy person they can demonize that actually believes in the United States of America - as defined by the only truly brilliant men in US history, our founding fathers. But that's why democrats are mass shooters and not people like me.
So instead I accept that there's nothing we can do. Just coast bro.
(11-07-2021, 12:30 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2021, 09:22 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]ok so people are supposed to do what after getting off a train? Call a cab to get to your job? Ride a bike? C'mon Joe, that [BLEEP] aint gonna work.
perhaps you need to get out of Jacksonville in your lifetime to see how transit systems work.
What [BLEEP] Democrats fail to understand or think about is all the trades....how is a carpenter electrician or a plumber supposed to get to some dumb liberals house using the bus....then the same dumb liberal will complain that nobody can fix their house.... it's called critical thinking something Democrats don't have
(01-13-2024, 09:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2021, 12:30 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]perhaps you need to get out of Jacksonville in your lifetime to see how transit systems work.
What [BLEEP] Democrats fail to understand or think about is all the trades....how is a carpenter electrician or a plumber supposed to get to some dumb liberals house using the bus....then the same dumb liberal will complain that nobody can fix their house.... it's called critical thinking something Democrats don't have
Europeans and Japanese have figured it out. Trade workers have small-ish pickup trucks that they drive from job to job. Everyone's house is still on a road.
But there are already liberals today, in coastal New England and California, who have a lot of problems finding people to work on their houses. The plumbers and the electricians can't afford to live next to them, they're hours away. It's a problem of high real estate prices and zoning, not transit.
(01-12-2024, 11:51 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2024, 11:42 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Oo wow more armchair psychology.
I haven't given up at all. I still fight for the things I want. Unfortunately I have to fight against you from time to time.
Defensive much? I'm on your side man.
If I did what I thought was necessary they would say I was a deranged mass shooter. But my rational side understands without an army behind me I'm just yet another crazy person they can demonize that actually believes in the United States of America - as defined by the only truly brilliant men in US history, our founding fathers. But that's why democrats are mass shooters and not people like me.
So instead I accept that there's nothing we can do. Just coast bro.
Lol, "only truly brilliant"? C'mon now, you're trying too hard.
(01-13-2024, 11:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2024, 09:09 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]What [BLEEP] Democrats fail to understand or think about is all the trades....how is a carpenter electrician or a plumber supposed to get to some dumb liberals house using the bus....then the same dumb liberal will complain that nobody can fix their house.... it's called critical thinking something Democrats don't have
Europeans and Japanese have figured it out. Trade workers have small-ish pickup trucks that they drive from job to job. Everyone's house is still on a road.
But there are already liberals today, in coastal New England and California, who have a lot of problems finding people to work on their houses. The plumbers and the electricians can't afford to live next to them, they're hours away. It's a problem of high real estate prices and zoning, not transit.
What information do you have that supports this conclusion?
(01-14-2024, 09:45 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2024, 11:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Europeans and Japanese have figured it out. Trade workers have small-ish pickup trucks that they drive from job to job. Everyone's house is still on a road.
But there are already liberals today, in coastal New England and California, who have a lot of problems finding people to work on their houses. The plumbers and the electricians can't afford to live next to them, they're hours away. It's a problem of high real estate prices and zoning, not transit.
What information do you have that supports this conclusion?
How much time ya got? Here's a short and easy read to start with:
https://www.amazon.com/Rent-Too-Damn-Hig...B0078XGJXO
(01-14-2024, 10:45 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 09:45 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]What information do you have that supports this conclusion?
How much time ya got? Here's a short and easy read to start with:
https://www.amazon.com/Rent-Too-Damn-Hig...B0078XGJXO
This reference illustrates exactly why you are so frequently misinformed and incorrect. You unquestioningly wrap your arms around whatever theory you're spoon-fed, (typically by the LEFT) embracing it forever as the Ultimate Truth.
1) It was written by a "political thinker". That alone should give you cause to be skeptical of its "conclusions".
2) It was published in 2012. All actual data and research utilized is, at minimum, twelve years out of date relative to current conditions.
3) #1,265 best seller rank in the category of
Sociology of Urban Areas................wow! I wonder what #1,266 looks like.
For whatever it's worth, I interact with a wide variety of contractors on a regular basis and they all report labor shortages to be their primary challenge in today's market.
(01-14-2024, 12:17 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 10:45 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]How much time ya got? Here's a short and easy read to start with:
https://www.amazon.com/Rent-Too-Damn-Hig...B0078XGJXO
This reference illustrates exactly why you are so frequently misinformed and incorrect. You unquestioningly wrap your arms around whatever theory you're spoon-fed, (typically by the LEFT) embracing it forever as the Ultimate Truth.
1) It was written by a "political thinker". That alone should give you cause to be skeptical of its "conclusions".
2) It was published in 2012. All actual data and research utilized is, at minimum, twelve years out of date relative to current conditions.
3) #1,265 best seller rank in the category of Sociology of Urban Areas................wow! I wonder what #1,266 looks like.
For whatever it's worth, I interact with a wide variety of contractors on a regular basis and they all report labor shortages to be their primary challenge in today's market.
Of course the labor shortage is the problem they see, as consumers of labor. But as a homeowner, a consumer of contracting services, you would see it as a problem of availability, as long wait times to get the work you want done. You would neither know nor care if the contractors volunatrily cut back to part time, or if they're spending every waking hour working. You would just say, "the problem is the wait times are long and there's not much competition." Both perspectives are right, they're just from different angles.
But from a "birds eye view" perspective, the question is, why are there these local labor shortages?
The US population is still growing, so it's not births and deaths.
The best explanation I've found is that the people they might hire can't afford nearby homes with the wages that are offered. Hence, these would-be tradesmen vote with their feet to less expensive areas or more lucrative jobs, and boom, labor shortage.
Also, I offered you that very easy, very accessible, very short, and very low cost read as a favor. Don't assume anything about my reading level from it. Also, don't assume anything about the truth of a matter from how popular the books about it are.
(01-14-2024, 01:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 12:17 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]This reference illustrates exactly why you are so frequently misinformed and incorrect. You unquestioningly wrap your arms around whatever theory you're spoon-fed, (typically by the LEFT) embracing it forever as the Ultimate Truth.
1) It was written by a "political thinker". That alone should give you cause to be skeptical of its "conclusions".
2) It was published in 2012. All actual data and research utilized is, at minimum, twelve years out of date relative to current conditions.
3) #1,265 best seller rank in the category of Sociology of Urban Areas................wow! I wonder what #1,266 looks like.
For whatever it's worth, I interact with a wide variety of contractors on a regular basis and they all report labor shortages to be their primary challenge in today's market.
Of course the labor shortage is the problem they see, as consumers of labor. But as a homeowner, a consumer of contracting services, you would see it as a problem of availability, as long wait times to get the work you want done. You would neither know nor care if the contractors volunatrily cut back to part time, or if they're spending every waking hour working. You would just say, "the problem is the wait times are long and there's not much competition." Both perspectives are right, they're just from different angles.
But from a "birds eye view" perspective, the question is, why are there these local labor shortages?
The US population is still growing, so it's not births and deaths.
The best explanation I've found is that the people they might hire can't afford nearby homes with the wages that are offered. Hence, these would-be tradesmen vote with their feet to less expensive areas or more lucrative jobs, and boom, labor shortage.
Also, I offered you that very easy, very accessible, very short, and very low cost read as a favor. Don't assume anything about my reading level from it. Also, don't assume anything about the truth of a matter from how popular the books about it are.
Because people aren't being paid enough. Corporations have moved the low skill jobs overseas and driven down the wages (via inflation) of the average earner in the US. Nobody wants to make little to no money doing thankless jobs unless they are from an impoverished country. Welfare doesn't help.
(01-14-2024, 02:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 01:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Of course the labor shortage is the problem they see, as consumers of labor. But as a homeowner, a consumer of contracting services, you would see it as a problem of availability, as long wait times to get the work you want done. You would neither know nor care if the contractors volunatrily cut back to part time, or if they're spending every waking hour working. You would just say, "the problem is the wait times are long and there's not much competition." Both perspectives are right, they're just from different angles.
But from a "birds eye view" perspective, the question is, why are there these local labor shortages?
The US population is still growing, so it's not births and deaths.
The best explanation I've found is that the people they might hire can't afford nearby homes with the wages that are offered. Hence, these would-be tradesmen vote with their feet to less expensive areas or more lucrative jobs, and boom, labor shortage.
Also, I offered you that very easy, very accessible, very short, and very low cost read as a favor. Don't assume anything about my reading level from it. Also, don't assume anything about the truth of a matter from how popular the books about it are.
Because people aren't being paid enough. Corporations have moved the low skill jobs overseas and driven down the wages (via inflation) of the average earner in the US. Nobody wants to make little to no money doing thankless jobs unless they are from an impoverished country. Welfare doesn't help.
The residents of Cape Cod or Marin County aren't sitting around saying, "I would be an electrician, if it just paid a bit more".
You have such a warped view of the world.
(01-14-2024, 07:06 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You have such a warped view of the world.
Coming from you that means a lot.
But seriously, what are you going to do?
Raise the minimum wage? That's leftism.
Encourage more impoverished folks to come here? Again, leftism.
End welfare? That's rightism, at least, but extremely harsh and extremely unlikely.
I just want to build more houses. Both conservative and plausible.
(01-14-2024, 01:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 12:17 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]This reference illustrates exactly why you are so frequently misinformed and incorrect. You unquestioningly wrap your arms around whatever theory you're spoon-fed, (typically by the LEFT) embracing it forever as the Ultimate Truth.
1) It was written by a "political thinker". That alone should give you cause to be skeptical of its "conclusions".
2) It was published in 2012. All actual data and research utilized is, at minimum, twelve years out of date relative to current conditions.
3) #1,265 best seller rank in the category of Sociology of Urban Areas................wow! I wonder what #1,266 looks like.
For whatever it's worth, I interact with a wide variety of contractors on a regular basis and they all report labor shortages to be their primary challenge in today's market.
Of course the labor shortage is the problem they see, as consumers of labor. But as a homeowner, a consumer of contracting services, you would see it as a problem of availability, as long wait times to get the work you want done. You would neither know nor care if the contractors volunatrily cut back to part time, or if they're spending every waking hour working. You would just say, "the problem is the wait times are long and there's not much competition." Both perspectives are right, they're just from different angles.
But from a "birds eye view" perspective, the question is, why are there these local labor shortages?
The US population is still growing, so it's not births and deaths.
The best explanation I've found is that the people they might hire can't afford nearby homes with the wages that are offered. Hence, these would-be tradesmen vote with their feet to less expensive areas or more lucrative jobs, and boom, labor shortage.
Also, I offered you that very easy, very accessible, very short, and very low cost read as a favor. Don't assume anything about my reading level from it. Also, don't assume anything about the truth of a matter from how popular the books about it are.
First of all, you don't appear to understand the difference between cause and effect. The homeowner has no idea what the cause may be, he or she can only see the effect, which is wait times for service. The business owner is in the unique position of knowing exactly what is causing the delays and that is a shortage of labor.
Now let's talk about the root problem. Why is it so difficult to find employees today? If your housing cost theory is correct, there should not be labor shortages in rural and lower priced living areas. In fact, it should be exactly the opposite, with labor surpluses, so why is this not the case? Why are employers in such areas having difficulty filling shifts?
Don't worry about doing me any educational favors, I'll get by on my own. I don't make assumptions about the truth of a book by its popularity, I draw conclusions based on the factual accuracy of the material presented. You should try it sometime; you might find it enlightening.
(01-14-2024, 08:00 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 01:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Of course the labor shortage is the problem they see, as consumers of labor. But as a homeowner, a consumer of contracting services, you would see it as a problem of availability, as long wait times to get the work you want done. You would neither know nor care if the contractors volunatrily cut back to part time, or if they're spending every waking hour working. You would just say, "the problem is the wait times are long and there's not much competition." Both perspectives are right, they're just from different angles.
But from a "birds eye view" perspective, the question is, why are there these local labor shortages?
The US population is still growing, so it's not births and deaths.
The best explanation I've found is that the people they might hire can't afford nearby homes with the wages that are offered. Hence, these would-be tradesmen vote with their feet to less expensive areas or more lucrative jobs, and boom, labor shortage.
Also, I offered you that very easy, very accessible, very short, and very low cost read as a favor. Don't assume anything about my reading level from it. Also, don't assume anything about the truth of a matter from how popular the books about it are.
First of all, you don't appear to understand the difference between cause and effect. The homeowner has no idea what the cause may be, he or she can only see the effect, which is wait times for service. The business owner is in the unique position of knowing exactly what is causing the delays and that is a shortage of labor.
Now let's talk about the root problem. Why is it so difficult to find employees today? If your housing cost theory is correct, there should not be labor shortages in rural and lower priced living areas. In fact, it should be exactly the opposite, with labor surpluses, so why is this not the case? Why are employers in such areas having difficulty filling shifts?
Don't worry about doing me any educational favors, I'll get by on my own. I don't make assumptions about the truth of a book by its popularity, I draw conclusions based on the factual accuracy of the material presented. You should try it sometime; you might find it enlightening.
Rural areas are not necessarily lower cost. Many rural areas also have zoning rules to make sure they stay rural.
Are you seeing a place with ample affordable housing that still has a scarcity of tradesmen?
(01-14-2024, 08:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 08:00 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, you don't appear to understand the difference between cause and effect. The homeowner has no idea what the cause may be, he or she can only see the effect, which is wait times for service. The business owner is in the unique position of knowing exactly what is causing the delays and that is a shortage of labor.
Now let's talk about the root problem. Why is it so difficult to find employees today? If your housing cost theory is correct, there should not be labor shortages in rural and lower priced living areas. In fact, it should be exactly the opposite, with labor surpluses, so why is this not the case? Why are employers in such areas having difficulty filling shifts?
Don't worry about doing me any educational favors, I'll get by on my own. I don't make assumptions about the truth of a book by its popularity, I draw conclusions based on the factual accuracy of the material presented. You should try it sometime; you might find it enlightening.
Rural areas are not necessarily lower cost. Many rural areas also have zoning rules to make sure they stay rural.
Are you seeing a place with ample affordable housing that still has a scarcity of tradesmen?
Why do you think affordable housing is going to fix this? When a person can make more money living off of handouts than they can working what is affordable housing going to provide them?
(01-14-2024, 08:26 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 08:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Rural areas are not necessarily lower cost. Many rural areas also have zoning rules to make sure they stay rural.
Are you seeing a place with ample affordable housing that still has a scarcity of tradesmen?
Why do you think affordable housing is going to fix this? When a person can make more money living off of handouts than they can working what is affordable housing going to provide them?
You're making good points but your information is about 30 years out of date.