(01-05-2022, 10:25 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 08:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Offense:
QB- Trevor Lawrence
RB- James Conner/James Robinson/Travis Etienne
WR- Mike Williams/John Metchie III/Michael Gallup/Jamal Agnew/Jayden Reed/Justyn Ross
TE- Dan Arnold/Charlie Kolar/Grant Calcaterra
LT- Terron Armstead
LG- Andrew Norwell
C- Brandon Linder
RG- Ben Bartch
RT- Abraham Lucas
Defense:
DE- Kayvon Thibodeaux/Josh Allen/Chandler Jones/Calais Campbell/Randy Gregory/Dawuane Smoot
DT- DaVon Hamilton/Malcolm Brown/Jay Tufele/John Ridgeway
ILB- Chad Muma
OLB- Myles Jack/Lerentee McCray
CB- Tyson Campbell/Rudy Ford/Shaquill Griffin/Garrett Williams
SS- Jalen Pitre
FS- Andre Cisco
This is factoring in all of the 11 picks Jacksonville will have in the draft. I bolded the rookies.
FYI, Jayden Reed announced yesterday that he was staying at Michigan State for another year.
Bummer. Insert Kyle Philips from UCLA then.
Realistically, I think we are looking at something like this........
QB- Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Beathard
RB- James Robinson, Travis Etienne, B.J. Baylor
WR- D.J. Chark, Christian Kirk, Jalen Tobert, Jalen Nailor, Marvin Jones
TE- Dan Arnold, Cole Turner, Hayden Hurst
LT- Cam Robinson, Max Mitchell
LG- Nick Ford, Jack Snyder
C- Brandon Linder, Nick Ford
RG- Nate Herbig, Ben Bartch
RT- Walker Little, Max Mitchell
DE- Dawuane Smoot, Demetrius Taylor
NT- DaVon Hamilton, Malcolm Brown
DE- Malcolm Brown, Demetrius Taylor
OLB- Josh Allen, Chauncey Manac
ILB- Ja’Whaun Bentley, D’Marco Jackson
ILB- Jalen Alexander, D’Marco Jackson
OLB- Kayvon Thibodeaux, Chauncey Manac
S- Andre Cisco, Daniel Thomas
S- J.T. Woods, Daniel Thomas
CB- Shaquille Griffin, Tyson Campbell
CB- Coby Bryant, Tyson Campbell
Red UDFA rookie
Blue Free Agent signing
Green Drafted player
(01-05-2022, 03:22 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically, I think we are looking at something like this........
QB- Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Beathard
RB- James Robinson, Travis Etienne, B.J. Baylor
WR- D.J. Chark, Christian Kirk, Jalen Tobert, Jalen Nailor, Marvin Jones
TE- Dan Arnold, Cole Turner, Hayden Hurst
LT- Cam Robinson, Max Mitchell
LG- Nick Ford, Jack Snyder
C- Brandon Linder, Nick Ford
RG- Nate Herbig, Ben Bartch
RT- Walker Little, Max Mitchell
DE- Dawuane Smoot, Demetrius Taylor
NT- DaVon Hamilton, Malcolm Brown
DE- Malcolm Brown, Demetrius Taylor
OLB- Josh Allen, Chauncey Manac
ILB- Ja’Whaun Bentley, D’Marco Jackson
ILB- Jalen Alexander, D’Marco Jackson
OLB- Kayvon Thibodeaux, Chauncey Manac
S- Andre Cisco, Daniel Thomas
S- J.T. Woods, Daniel Thomas
CB- Shaquille Griffin, Tyson Campbell
CB- Coby Bryant, Tyson Campbell
Red UDFA rookie
Blue Free Agent signing
Green Drafted player
This is reasonable. Sad, but, reasonable and realistic.
We can only hope after this Sunday that a shift in the wind begins to happen with this team's fortunes.
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(01-05-2022, 03:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 03:22 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically, I think we are looking at something like this........
QB- Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Beathard
RB- James Robinson, Travis Etienne, B.J. Baylor
WR- D.J. Chark, Christian Kirk, Jalen Tobert, Jalen Nailor, Marvin Jones
TE- Dan Arnold, Cole Turner, Hayden Hurst
LT- Cam Robinson, Max Mitchell
LG- Nick Ford, Jack Snyder
C- Brandon Linder, Nick Ford
RG- Nate Herbig, Ben Bartch
RT- Walker Little, Max Mitchell
DE- Dawuane Smoot, Demetrius Taylor
NT- DaVon Hamilton, Malcolm Brown
DE- Malcolm Brown, Demetrius Taylor
OLB- Josh Allen, Chauncey Manac
ILB- Ja’Whaun Bentley, D’Marco Jackson
ILB- Jalen Alexander, D’Marco Jackson
OLB- Kayvon Thibodeaux, Chauncey Manac
S- Andre Cisco, Daniel Thomas
S- J.T. Woods, Daniel Thomas
CB- Shaquille Griffin, Tyson Campbell
CB- Coby Bryant, Tyson Campbell
Red UDFA rookie
Blue Free Agent signing
Green Drafted player
This is reasonable. Sad, but, reasonable and realistic.
We can only hope after this Sunday that a shift in the wind begins to happen with this team's fortunes.
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Agreed. I do think a lineup like this could win 5-6 games and that would be a big improvement over what we have now. Like I keep stressing, this is gonna be a long process. There are no easy fixes. This team is really screwed up. We're gonna have to try and fix what we can, now and some areas are gonna have to wait.
The best and somewhat realistic roster following the draft and free agency is listed below. I opted to make 2 trades on draft day (via Fanspeak) which the Jaguars can realistically do. They gave up 1(1) to the WFT for 1(9), 2(9), 3(9) and 4(9). I'd even take that deal without pick 4(9), if necessary. I overpaid my top 3 free agents (Armstead, Reddick and Tomlinson) for $23, $16, and $11 million/yr. respectively. Rather than pay one of the FA wide-receivers too much, I drafted several due to the depth at this position in the draft. Adams is the only true #1 and he's not coming here. Here goes:
Q.B. Lawrence, Beathard
R.B. Etienne, Robinson and Zack Charbonnet (Rd. 4)
W.R. Jameson Williams 1(9), Chark (one year deal), Jailen Nailor (pick 4(1), Viska, Treadwell, M. Jones, J. Tolbert (pick 5/1) : One of these we either cut or trade in pre-season.
T.E. Arnold, Tre McBride (pick 3/5), Manhertz, Hollister
O.T. Armstead and Little, Richardson and Nick Ford (pick 6/1) in reserve
O.G.Tomlinson, Bartch,
C. Tyler Linderbaum (pick 2/1)
swing linemen: J. Taylor, Jarrett Patterson (pick 4/9), Shatley
D.E./Edge: Josh Allen, Hasaan Reddick, Chaisson, Derrick Hall (pick 3/9)
D.T. : Hamilton, Brown, Tufele
Swing linemen: Smoot, Gotsis
MLB: Nakobe Dean (pick 2/9), Wilson, Quarterman
OLB: Jack, Jordan Smith,
S.: Jenkins, Cisco, Ford, Thomas
C.B. Griffin, Campbell, Bryant (pick 3/10), Herndon
Return specialist (and reserve receiver): Agnew
Punter: Cooke
Kicker: anyone who can reach the end-zone on kick-offs
Obviously, not all of these are totally realistic (Linderbaum in 2nd, Armstead coming here), but it is not impossible. Having the top pick gives the NEW general manager the opportunity to execute trades, especially for rounds 1, 2 and 3. The large salary cap room of over $70 million allows Khan to slightly overpay free agents who might not totally love the idea of coming to the laughing stock franchise of the NFL. In free agency, money usually talks and the combination of Lawrence, a competent coaching staff and new general manager Jacksonville may not seem too bad to potential free agents. Having great golf, fishing and low taxes doesn't hurt either.
(01-05-2022, 10:36 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It makes completely perfect sense that your "somewhat realistic" scenario includes 3 blue chip FA and drafting a guy who is constantly ranked in the top half of the first round at 33 when contrasting it to your critiques of Trevor. You do not live in a somewhat realistic reality.
It makes completely perfect sense that you think mock drafts made 4-5 months prior to a draft have a real bearing on where they will go. If that were the case, We would not have gotten Walker Little and Tyson Campbell because a lot of folks had them Mocked to go mid 1st round.
And aside from Davante Adams, our free agent haul from before the '17 season was arguably better than this one. We aren't going anywhere any time soon if we continue to go for mid-tier bums who aren't good enough to earn a second contract from their previous team.
(01-05-2022, 10:39 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 04:37 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Why are you expecting us to sign Davante Adams if it's supposed to be somewhat realistic?
He doesn't have a clue what that means
Maybe unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility would have been a better way to put it. If said players I listed above decided they would play in Duval we have the money and some to get them so it's not really that crazy.
(01-05-2022, 04:44 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The best and somewhat realistic roster following the draft and free agency is listed below. I opted to make 2 trades on draft day (via Fanspeak) which the Jaguars can realistically do. They gave up 1(1) to the WFT for 1(9), 2(9), 3(9) and 4(9). I'd even take that deal without pick 4(9), if necessary. I overpaid my top 3 free agents (Armstead, Reddick and Tomlinson) for $23, $16, and $11 million/yr. respectively. Rather than pay one of the FA wide-receivers too much, I drafted several due to the depth at this position in the draft. Adams is the only true #1 and he's not coming here. Here goes:
Q.B. Lawrence, Beathard
R.B. Etienne, Robinson and Zack Charbonnet (Rd. 4)
W.R. Jameson Williams 1(9), Chark (one year deal), Jailen Nailor (pick 4(1), Viska, Treadwell, M. Jones, J. Tolbert (pick 5/1) : One of these we either cut or trade in pre-season.
T.E. Arnold, Tre McBride (pick 3/5), Manhertz, Hollister
O.T. Armstead and Little, Richardson and Nick Ford (pick 6/1) in reserve
O.G.Tomlinson, Bartch,
C. Tyler Linderbaum (pick 2/1)
swing linemen: J. Taylor, Jarrett Patterson (pick 4/9), Shatley
D.E./Edge: Josh Allen, Hasaan Reddick, Chaisson, Derrick Hall (pick 3/9)
D.T. : Hamilton, Brown, Tufele
Swing linemen: Smoot, Gotsis
MLB: Nakobe Dean (pick 2/9), Wilson, Quarterman
OLB: Jack, Jordan Smith,
S.: Jenkins, Cisco, Ford, Thomas
C.B. Griffin, Campbell, Bryant (pick 3/10), Herndon
Return specialist (and reserve receiver): Agnew
Punter: Cooke
Kicker: anyone who can reach the end-zone on kick-offs
Obviously, not all of these are totally realistic (Linderbaum in 2nd, Armstead coming here), but it is not impossible. Having the top pick gives the NEW general manager the opportunity to execute trades, especially for rounds 1, 2 and 3. The large salary cap room of over $70 million allows Khan to slightly overpay free agents who might not totally love the idea of coming to the laughing stock franchise of the NFL. In free agency, money usually talks and the combination of Lawrence, a competent coaching staff and new general manager Jacksonville may not seem too bad to potential free agents. Having great golf, fishing and low taxes doesn't hurt either.
I like the trade down scenario I just wonder if anyone will bite on a trade worth while.
Lets all be honest as we caan right now. After the last serveal years of loseing seasons,and only 1 winning one. Hope for 20222 is none at this time. I expexct another loseing season for years to come.
Realism: Understanding that a franchise-tag worthy WR in his 30's is either going to be tagged this off-season or choose to sign with a team that has legit SB aspirations. Duval ain't none of that.
Stop thinking Adams is going to sign here, and the rest will become a whole lot more realistic.
(01-07-2022, 10:34 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Realism: Understanding that a franchise-tag worthy WR in his 30's is either going to be tagged this off-season or choose to sign with a team that has legit SB aspirations. Duval ain't none of that.
Stop thinking Adams is going to sign here, and the rest will become a whole lot more realistic.
The title would help a lot of you out. It says, Somewhat Realistic
Hopes <-- as in what I'd like to see, not what I think will happen.
(01-05-2022, 01:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 11:23 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I think that's extremely accurate even to the point of when we should draft what, except for this one. There are going to be a ton of starting caliber guards in the 3rd round. I think that will be the prime spot to fill one of them, along with one FA signing (Laken or Williams plz).
What are your thoughts on MLB?
I haven't taken the time to try getting my head around that one yet. Obviously Quarterman, Jack and Moses should be in camp, but who else do they add? I guess they have to take a swing in FA like they did with Wilson.
My perception is that a 3-4 defense doesn't use a MLB. It uses 2 ILB positions. Speed is important here but so is the ability to thump a runner. A MLB in a 4-3 Must have size as well as range to get from the middle to the sideline fast. He is usually going to be a thumper as well, prolly more so than speed. The ILB in 3-4 defenses need that same speed to the sideline but must have the instincts/ reaction time to fill the hole at the line of scrimmage and be agile enough to avoid blockers coming through that hole. Agility becomes a strong suit for them. I have said it before, I love Myles Jack being on our team but he is miscast as an ILB, honestly he was miscast as a MLB in the 4-3 as well. His best year was as SAM opposite Telvin's WILL. To me that is the question. Can Myles play one of those OLB spots? Say the one not matched up with a TE, or can he cover a TE. I just feel if he stays here he should play on the edge but he is too big and slow to be a box safety so OLB it would have to be.
(01-08-2022, 12:11 PM)DTWD4∞ Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 01:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]What are your thoughts on MLB?
I haven't taken the time to try getting my head around that one yet. Obviously Quarterman, Jack and Moses should be in camp, but who else do they add? I guess they have to take a swing in FA like they did with Wilson.
My perception is that a 3-4 defense doesn't use a MLB. It uses 2 ILB positions. Speed is important here but so is the ability to thump a runner. A MLB in a 4-3 Must have size as well as range to get from the middle to the sideline fast. He is usually going to be a thumper as well, prolly more so than speed. The ILB in 3-4 defenses need that same speed to the sideline but must have the instincts/ reaction time to fill the hole at the line of scrimmage and be agile enough to avoid blockers coming through that hole. Agility becomes a strong suit for them. I have said it before, I love Myles Jack being on our team but he is miscast as an ILB, honestly he was miscast as a MLB in the 4-3 as well. His best year was as SAM opposite Telvin's WILL. To me that is the question. Can Myles play one of those OLB spots? Say the one not matched up with a TE, or can he cover a TE. I just feel if he stays here he should play on the edge but he is too big and slow to be a box safety so OLB it would have to be.
Myles Jack can really only play as a 4-3 WLB at this stage, so unless the Jags plan to go back to a 4-3 alignment it doesn't make sense to keep him at his current cost.
(01-05-2022, 04:44 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The best and somewhat realistic roster following the draft and free agency is listed below. I opted to make 2 trades on draft day (via Fanspeak) which the Jaguars can realistically do. They gave up 1(1) to the WFT for 1(9), 2(9), 3(9) and 4(9). I'd even take that deal without pick 4(9), if necessary. I overpaid my top 3 free agents (Armstead, Reddick and Tomlinson) for $23, $16, and $11 million/yr. respectively. Rather than pay one of the FA wide-receivers too much, I drafted several due to the depth at this position in the draft. Adams is the only true #1 and he's not coming here. Here goes:
Q.B. Lawrence, Beathard
R.B. Etienne, Robinson and Zack Charbonnet (Rd. 4)
W.R. Jameson Williams 1(9), Chark (one year deal), Jailen Nailor (pick 4(1), Viska, Treadwell, M. Jones, J. Tolbert (pick 5/1) : One of these we either cut or trade in pre-season.
T.E. Arnold, Tre McBride (pick 3/5), Manhertz, Hollister
O.T. Armstead and Little, Richardson and Nick Ford (pick 6/1) in reserve
O.G.Tomlinson, Bartch,
C. Tyler Linderbaum (pick 2/1)
swing linemen: J. Taylor, Jarrett Patterson (pick 4/9), Shatley
D.E./Edge: Josh Allen, Hasaan Reddick, Chaisson, Derrick Hall (pick 3/9)
D.T. : Hamilton, Brown, Tufele
Swing linemen: Smoot, Gotsis
MLB: Nakobe Dean (pick 2/9), Wilson, Quarterman
OLB: Jack, Jordan Smith,
S.: Jenkins, Cisco, Ford, Thomas
C.B. Griffin, Campbell, Bryant (pick 3/10), Herndon
Return specialist (and reserve receiver): Agnew
Punter: Cooke
Kicker: anyone who can reach the end-zone on kick-offs
Obviously, not all of these are totally realistic (Linderbaum in 2nd, Armstead coming here), but it is not impossible. Having the top pick gives the NEW general manager the opportunity to execute trades, especially for rounds 1, 2 and 3. The large salary cap room of over $70 million allows Khan to slightly overpay free agents who might not totally love the idea of coming to the laughing stock franchise of the NFL. In free agency, money usually talks and the combination of Lawrence, a competent coaching staff and new general manager Jacksonville may not seem too bad to potential free agents. Having great golf, fishing and low taxes doesn't hurt either.
This is interesting, detailed and a version is do-able but really depends on the GM-HC team. To get a HC that has at the interview a list of people he has already talked to and will come with him will be a must. This is where retaining our current GM makes everything shaky as he has a lot of baggage he carries from San Fran.
(01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2022, 10:34 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Realism: Understanding that a franchise-tag worthy WR in his 30's is either going to be tagged this off-season or choose to sign with a team that has legit SB aspirations. Duval ain't none of that.
Stop thinking Adams is going to sign here, and the rest will become a whole lot more realistic.
The title would help a lot of you out. It says, Somewhat Realistic Hopes <-- as in what I'd like to see, not what I think will happen.
....but how in the heck are you calling signing a guy that is likely to either be franchised or want to play for a SB contender "somewhat realistic" (that's in the title too, OP!!)
It's not near realistic. It's delusional, aspirational, or simply rooted in fantasy.
I mean, if all we're doing is posting hopes, I'd hope for every All-Pro to demand a trade to Duval so that we can make like Vince Young and declare us the next dream team.
Mike Williams might be somewhat realistic to hope for. I honestly don't think LAC lets him leave town, though, seems he and Herbert have soemthing good going and the kid is clutch. We probably have as much chance at landing Adams as we do securing a trade with CIN for Chase. Both *could* happen, but either something has happened to tarnish the luster or we're going to be throwing the farm at them to make it a possibility.
Head Coach: NOT Bill O'Brien.
That's my (somewhat) realistic hope (keyword HOPE) for next year.
(01-05-2022, 01:36 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I think we must retain chark, even if have to overpay. Next, get a top free agent WR and some free agency o-line.
I tend to agree. We need speed. He’s a better deep threat than anyone available in free agency and most likely top of 2nd rounder.
We’ll have to over pay or franchise, but that’s supply and demand.
I’d like to see Allan Robinson signed opposite him and put Jones in slot draft/sign another burner.
(01-09-2022, 01:13 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 04:44 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The best and somewhat realistic roster following the draft and free agency is listed below. I opted to make 2 trades on draft day (via Fanspeak) which the Jaguars can realistically do. They gave up 1(1) to the WFT for 1(9), 2(9), 3(9) and 4(9). I'd even take that deal without pick 4(9), if necessary. I overpaid my top 3 free agents (Armstead, Reddick and Tomlinson) for $23, $16, and $11 million/yr. respectively. Rather than pay one of the FA wide-receivers too much, I drafted several due to the depth at this position in the draft. Adams is the only true #1 and he's not coming here. Here goes:
Q.B. Lawrence, Beathard
R.B. Etienne, Robinson and Zack Charbonnet (Rd. 4)
W.R. Jameson Williams 1(9), Chark (one year deal), Jailen Nailor (pick 4(1), Viska, Treadwell, M. Jones, J. Tolbert (pick 5/1) : One of these we either cut or trade in pre-season.
T.E. Arnold, Tre McBride (pick 3/5), Manhertz, Hollister
O.T. Armstead and Little, Richardson and Nick Ford (pick 6/1) in reserve
O.G.Tomlinson, Bartch,
C. Tyler Linderbaum (pick 2/1)
swing linemen: J. Taylor, Jarrett Patterson (pick 4/9), Shatley
D.E./Edge: Josh Allen, Hasaan Reddick, Chaisson, Derrick Hall (pick 3/9)
D.T. : Hamilton, Brown, Tufele
Swing linemen: Smoot, Gotsis
MLB: Nakobe Dean (pick 2/9), Wilson, Quarterman
OLB: Jack, Jordan Smith,
S.: Jenkins, Cisco, Ford, Thomas
C.B. Griffin, Campbell, Bryant (pick 3/10), Herndon
Return specialist (and reserve receiver): Agnew
Punter: Cooke
Kicker: anyone who can reach the end-zone on kick-offs
Obviously, not all of these are totally realistic (Linderbaum in 2nd, Armstead coming here), but it is not impossible. Having the top pick gives the NEW general manager the opportunity to execute trades, especially for rounds 1, 2 and 3. The large salary cap room of over $70 million allows Khan to slightly overpay free agents who might not totally love the idea of coming to the laughing stock franchise of the NFL. In free agency, money usually talks and the combination of Lawrence, a competent coaching staff and new general manager Jacksonville may not seem too bad to potential free agents. Having great golf, fishing and low taxes doesn't hurt either.
This is interesting, detailed and a version is do-able but really depends on the GM-HC team. To get a HC that has at the interview a list of people he has already talked to and will come with him will be a must. This is where retaining our current GM makes everything shaky as he has a lot of baggage he carries from San Fran.
Yes, I believe that his decision on Baalke is absolutely critical. If the reports about his difficulty communicating with head coaches are true, this will compromise their ability to hire the best coach as well as signing the best free agents. It concerns me greatly that nothing was announced about Baalke today.
(01-10-2022, 11:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]The title would help a lot of you out. It says, Somewhat Realistic Hopes <-- as in what I'd like to see, not what I think will happen.
....but how in the heck are you calling signing a guy that is likely to either be franchised or want to play for a SB contender "somewhat realistic" (that's in the title too, OP!!)
It's not near realistic. It's delusional, aspirational, or simply rooted in fantasy.
I mean, if all we're doing is posting hopes, I'd hope for every All-Pro to demand a trade to Duval so that we can make like Vince Young and declare us the next dream team.
Mike Williams might be somewhat realistic to hope for. I honestly don't think LAC lets him leave town, though, seems he and Herbert have soemthing good going and the kid is clutch. We probably have as much chance at landing Adams as we do securing a trade with CIN for Chase. Both *could* happen, but either something has happened to tarnish the luster or we're going to be throwing the farm at them to make it a possibility.
Adams has made it pretty clear he wants a long term contract. Maybe they will franchise him but at this point he's set to be a UFA and that's all I know, that's all you know. Every single player mentioned by everyone else in this post
Could be tagged. It does not mean they will be.