1. X receiver - duh
2. S opposite Cisco - don't want a traditional SS because we are going probably going to be in cover 2 almost always. Jenkins proved to be inept.
3. LG - should be able to find one in the draft if they really want to
4. OT - Little should be the long term answer at one of them. I do not want Cam or Jawaan to be the long term answer at the other one, though it certainly seems like Baalke disagrees.
5. EDGE depth - I was really hoping we'd get this in FA there were a lot of value 3rd pass rush options. Don't think we'll have the luxury of drafting one other than Hutch. Allen and Aidan are going to be on the field A LOT.
(03-17-2022, 11:40 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 06:34 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agree for the most part, although I don't really want to trade up from 33 unless the WRs start dropping like flies. I think a really good one will be there and it cost a lot more to move up into round 1 than any other round. We will likely have to give up both 3rds unless we just move up 1 or 2 spots. I just have a feeling Watson will be there at 33 and I thing he has the highest upside of any WR in the draft, it will be like AJ Brown, Metcalf, Moore last year falling to the 2nd. I think the 3rd is where we need to move up from. I wouldn't be opposed to moving up from 33 but I think a really could player will fall to us there
The decision on whether to trade back up into round 1 for a receiver will be a tough one, for sure. Baalke/Peterson will likely begin considering to move up after pick 20, depending on when the run of wide receivers begins. My preference for Jameson Williams is based on the fact that he has an elite skill-set and performed at the highest level against the best competition college football has to offer. The only question is whether his ACL will have any effect on his performance once he returns. Reportedly, he is making good progress with his rehab program. The consensus among medical experts is that an injury like this should not impact his performance once he returns. This differs from Travis Etienne's lisfranc injury where the prognosis for a full recovery is less certain.
The wide receiver class is very deep, no doubt. The Jaguars can't be blamed for waiting until pick 33 and taking Pickens, Watson or Dotson. I have no doubt that at least one of those 3 will be available. Pickens is probably the highest risk/reward player in this draft. He has all the physical tools to be an elite number 1 receiver in the NFL. It's easy to "fall in love" with him after watching him make unbelievable catches against Alabama. However, he is very inconsistent and has been called un-disciplined by his own coach. This is evidenced by his ejection against Georgia Tech as well as having punched his own teammate. Watson's combine performance was incredible and he certainly has the physical tools to be a number 1 receiver. However, his numbers at North Dakota State were not that impressive. No doubt, they are primarily a running team, but between these unimpressive numbers and his lack of elite competition, I would hesitate taking him at 33. Dotson is the safest of the 3 and I expect him to be a very good pro, but he will likely be taken in round 1.
Williams would not have gotten past pick 10, if not for his injury. He has the potential to be a bigger version of Tyreek Hill, without the character problems. That is why I don't think twice trading up for him, even if the price is steep.
Williams had the best QB in college, great WRs around him to were defenses couldn't concentrate on him or any 1 player, and arguably the best RB in college. He's a quick and fast shifty WR that does most of his work in the slot. It's an unknown if he can be an X WR which is what we need. I like Williams a lot but there is some question marks there even before the ACL, he isn't DeVonta Smith and he isn't as fast as Hill. With Watson, he was one of my top WRs before the combine, it just confirmed what was on tape. I don't really care about his college numbers. Watson was so smooth, has the length and speed I like out of my number 1. I really want London but not sure how far he makes it.
(03-17-2022, 06:12 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]After these waves in FA, what do yall think are our top 5 needs?
1. WR1
2. LG
3. Edge/OLB
4. MLB
5. SS
Wildcard: DT/3-4 DE
I love how the draft matches up with our needs. I thing we can go true BPA
Lord Have Mercy. We addressed the WR, MLB and Guard positions within FA. Our SS should be Cisco leaving the addition of another Edge Rusher. Can we guess who?
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(03-17-2022, 12:36 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 06:12 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]After these waves in FA, what do yall think are our top 5 needs?
1. WR1
2. LG
3. Edge/OLB
4. MLB
5. SS
Wildcard: DT/3-4 DE
I love how the draft matches up with our needs. I thing we can go true BPA
Lord Have Mercy. We addressed the WR, MLB and Guard positions within FA. Our SS should be Cisco leaving the addition of another Edge Rusher. Can we guess who?
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
We addressed WR in FA but it's not fixed, in a 3-4 there are 2 ILB, and there are 2 Guards lol. If they want to play Cisco at SS then we need a FS
(03-17-2022, 06:12 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]After these waves in FA, what do yall think are our top 5 needs?
1. WR1
2. LG
3. Edge/OLB
4. MLB
5. SS
I agree with these.
I would put ILB in front of Edge/OLB not because it's a greater need but because I think we'll draft Hutchinson therefore I already think that position will be addressed.
I agree about the OG spot, I actually hope they keep Linder to have more depth and flexibility. I would say if they are that much comfortable with Shatley they should put him at C, move Linder to OG and give us even more flexibility comes draft day. (think of Robinson/Scherff/Shatley/Linder/Little with Bartch as depth for both OG spot and a good IOL to grow/plug in when one of the starters will likely miss some time given their history)
Not gonna happen I know, but there's my 2 cents.
First off, I am not knocking FA I think we have done well and upgraded positions of need but definitely not in depth. We lost persons in certain positions and then gained in the same…like for like in numbers game. We are not looking promising in depth so the draft is going to hopefully combat this.
XWR - enough said. A second WR wouldn’t hurt too.
DE/OLB - We are still crap at rushing the passer.
LB - At the moment it’s Quarterman and the new chap from the Falcons. Dylan Moses May break out but we are lacking.
OG - We haven’t done a great deal here. It’s better but we haven’t acquired decent depth. We are still looking like Robinson/Bartch/Linder/Scherff/LittleORTaylor. Does that look much different to you?
S - Could argue TE here but with Engram and Arnold here this year I think we could be ok. We need a player to develop/start next to Cisco/Jenkins.
Actually, a dual threat inline TE is probably our 2nd biggest need after X receiver. As I've said many times, it's going to be very difficult to maximize both Kirk from the slot and Engram/Arnold as non inline TE.
Dulcich at 65/70 is by far the most bankable option in this draft IMO. Jelani Woods could be a good one in a couple of years but he's still pretty raw after the position switch. I think McBride is just way too small to play inline.
(03-17-2022, 12:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 12:36 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Lord Have Mercy. We addressed the WR, MLB and Guard positions within FA. Our SS should be Cisco leaving the addition of another Edge Rusher. Can we guess who?
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
We addressed WR in FA but it's not fixed, in a 3-4 there are 2 ILB, and there are 2 Guards lol. If they want to play Cisco at SS then we need a FS
The FS is on the team already...
https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1503399773193314314
(03-17-2022, 01:20 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, a dual threat inline TE is probably our 2nd biggest need after X receiver. As I've said many times, it's going to be very difficult to maximize both Kirk from the slot and Engram/Arnold as non inline TE.
Dulcich at 65/70 is by far the most bankable option in this draft IMO. Jelani Woods could be a good one in a couple of years but he's still pretty raw after the position switch. I think McBride is just way too small to play inline.
Combine measurements have McBride and Dulcich listed at same height 6'4" and only 3 lbs difference in weight. Would you elaborate on one being too small and the other not? I'm not sure what 65/70 means.
(03-17-2022, 12:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 11:40 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The decision on whether to trade back up into round 1 for a receiver will be a tough one, for sure. Baalke/Peterson will likely begin considering to move up after pick 20, depending on when the run of wide receivers begins. My preference for Jameson Williams is based on the fact that he has an elite skill-set and performed at the highest level against the best competition college football has to offer. The only question is whether his ACL will have any effect on his performance once he returns. Reportedly, he is making good progress with his rehab program. The consensus among medical experts is that an injury like this should not impact his performance once he returns. This differs from Travis Etienne's lisfranc injury where the prognosis for a full recovery is less certain.
The wide receiver class is very deep, no doubt. The Jaguars can't be blamed for waiting until pick 33 and taking Pickens, Watson or Dotson. I have no doubt that at least one of those 3 will be available. Pickens is probably the highest risk/reward player in this draft. He has all the physical tools to be an elite number 1 receiver in the NFL. It's easy to "fall in love" with him after watching him make unbelievable catches against Alabama. However, he is very inconsistent and has been called un-disciplined by his own coach. This is evidenced by his ejection against Georgia Tech as well as having punched his own teammate. Watson's combine performance was incredible and he certainly has the physical tools to be a number 1 receiver. However, his numbers at North Dakota State were not that impressive. No doubt, they are primarily a running team, but between these unimpressive numbers and his lack of elite competition, I would hesitate taking him at 33. Dotson is the safest of the 3 and I expect him to be a very good pro, but he will likely be taken in round 1.
Williams would not have gotten past pick 10, if not for his injury. He has the potential to be a bigger version of Tyreek Hill, without the character problems. That is why I don't think twice trading up for him, even if the price is steep.
Williams had the best QB in college, great WRs around him to were defenses couldn't concentrate on him or any 1 player, and arguably the best RB in college. He's a quick and fast shifty WR that does most of his work in the slot. It's an unknown if he can be an X WR which is what we need. I like Williams a lot but there is some question marks there even before the ACL, he isn't DeVonta Smith and he isn't as fast as Hill. With Watson, he was one of my top WRs before the combine, it just confirmed what was on tape. I don't really care about his college numbers. Watson was so smooth, has the length and speed I like out of my number 1. I really want London but not sure how far he makes it.
Watson played one season with Trey Lance, who is not a bad quarterback. Williams torched Georgia for 184 yards in the SEC Championship and was on his way to a repeat performance against the Bulldogs prior to his injury. The quality of competition he faced in those games is like nothing Watson ever experienced. That being said, Watson may turn out to be the steal of the draft and a perennial all-pro. I'm just not one to over-draft players based on Combine performance. As I've said before, that's what I love about the draft. We can agree to disagree and in 2-3 more years we'll know who turned out correct.
(03-17-2022, 01:33 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 12:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We addressed WR in FA but it's not fixed, in a 3-4 there are 2 ILB, and there are 2 Guards lol. If they want to play Cisco at SS then we need a FS
The FS is on the team already...
https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1503399773193314314
I still think we should play Herndon @ FS.
Personally, I don't understand people placing Safety above ILB as a need. I hate Rayshawn Jenkins, but I love Cisco and Rudy Ford is a great backup. We cannot fix every need on this team in one season and Safety is one of the least important positions on defense. Currently we have only one starting caliber ILB. In a 3-4 base, you need 2. I am not a fan of Quarterman at all and while I really liked Dylan Moses in college, he's been injured a long time and I just an unsure if he'll be the same player he once was. ILB is one of the more important positions and I really think we need a "thumping" run stuffer type to pair with the athleticism of Foye Oluokun.
I also think Center should be a high priority. While Shatley was a very good backup, I wouldn't want him playing full time. He doesn't normally make any major mistakes, but he's not especially good either. This draft is loaded with talent at the Center position and I believe we must take advantage of that by drafting one of the better ones. You normally never see a Center class this deep. Most years, there may be 1-2, maybe 3 guys that have the potential to be good NFL Centers. This season, there could be 5-6.
(03-17-2022, 02:05 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 12:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Williams had the best QB in college, great WRs around him to were defenses couldn't concentrate on him or any 1 player, and arguably the best RB in college. He's a quick and fast shifty WR that does most of his work in the slot. It's an unknown if he can be an X WR which is what we need. I like Williams a lot but there is some question marks there even before the ACL, he isn't DeVonta Smith and he isn't as fast as Hill. With Watson, he was one of my top WRs before the combine, it just confirmed what was on tape. I don't really care about his college numbers. Watson was so smooth, has the length and speed I like out of my number 1. I really want London but not sure how far he makes it.
Watson played one season with Trey Lance, who is not a bad quarterback. Williams torched Georgia for 184 yards in the SEC Championship and was on his way to a repeat performance against the Bulldogs prior to his injury. The quality of competition he faced in those games is like nothing Watson ever experienced. That being said, Watson may turn out to be the steal of the draft and a perennial all-pro. I'm just not one to over-draft players based on Combine performance. As I've said before, that's what I love about the draft. We can agree to disagree and in 2-3 more years we'll know who turned out correct.
In the favorite prospect thread I mentioned Watson as my guy before the combine and multiple times before. The combine showed just what you seen in games. Lance wasnt a guy that was going to light you up through the air, he was a run first QB. Georgia's corners were the weak link of their D. Elam and Gardner is the 2 best corners Williams faced and he couldn't do anything against either
(03-17-2022, 03:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 02:05 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Watson played one season with Trey Lance, who is not a bad quarterback. Williams torched Georgia for 184 yards in the SEC Championship and was on his way to a repeat performance against the Bulldogs prior to his injury. The quality of competition he faced in those games is like nothing Watson ever experienced. That being said, Watson may turn out to be the steal of the draft and a perennial all-pro. I'm just not one to over-draft players based on Combine performance. As I've said before, that's what I love about the draft. We can agree to disagree and in 2-3 more years we'll know who turned out correct.
In the favorite prospect thread I mentioned Watson as my guy before the combine and multiple times before. The combine showed just what you seen in games. Lance wasnt a guy that was going to light you up through the air, he was a run first QB. Georgia's corners were the weak link of their D. Elam and Gardner is the 2 best corners Williams faced and he couldn't do anything against either
As I said, we can agree to disagree on this one. We will know in 2-3 years which player is the better pro. Maybe both will have great careers.
(03-17-2022, 07:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 07:02 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The Packers and BB doesn't take WRs in the first. Tampa just resigned Godwin and signed Gage, if they don't resign Gronk I could see them taking McBride which would suck and they still need a guard. KC possibly could or they could go secondary l, Detroit is the one team I think could take a WR there, the good thing is they just signed Chark.
The Packers dropped fat loot on Rodgers to stay in Green Bay. They're going to have to work out a long term deal somehow with DeVante Adams. I don't think Allen Lazard has resigned and I also think they had another WR out there in the market that hasn't decided to return yet.
I think they're going to drastically change their approach in this draft and next year's draft in order to try and hit pay dirt with Rodgers before he retires. I could very easily see them drafting a guy like Burks, Dotson or even Watson if they're on the board.
I could see Kansas City taking McBride. Kelce is 33 years old. He's probably the third to fifth highest cap hit on their roster. Makes a lot of sense to find his successor now. McBride fits that mold.
I think Packers draft a WR now. Burks seems like the type of WR they draft
(03-17-2022, 09:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 07:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The Packers dropped fat loot on Rodgers to stay in Green Bay. They're going to have to work out a long term deal somehow with DeVante Adams. I don't think Allen Lazard has resigned and I also think they had another WR out there in the market that hasn't decided to return yet.
I think they're going to drastically change their approach in this draft and next year's draft in order to try and hit pay dirt with Rodgers before he retires. I could very easily see them drafting a guy like Burks, Dotson or even Watson if they're on the board.
I could see Kansas City taking McBride. Kelce is 33 years old. He's probably the third to fifth highest cap hit on their roster. Makes a lot of sense to find his successor now. McBride fits that mold.
I think Packers draft a WR now. Burks seems like the type of WR they draft
They have no choice after trading Adams today. I could see them going Burks at 23 and Dotson at 28.
Makes me sick. LOL. They'll have 53 and 60 to fill other needs as well. Watch them land Jelani Woods before we can get a chance at 65.
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(03-17-2022, 10:27 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 09:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think Packers draft a WR now. Burks seems like the type of WR they draft
They have no choice after trading Adams today. I could see them going Burks at 23 and Dotson at 28.
Makes me sick. LOL. They'll have 53 and 60 to fill other needs as well. Watch them land Jelani Woods before we can get a chance at 65.
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I would love for them to remove those two landmines from us.
(03-17-2022, 11:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 10:27 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They have no choice after trading Adams today. I could see them going Burks at 23 and Dotson at 28.
Makes me sick. LOL. They'll have 53 and 60 to fill other needs as well. Watch them land Jelani Woods before we can get a chance at 65.
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I would love for them to remove those two landmines from us.
I don't. Just means they trigger teams to trade back up into the opening night to snatch a player like Christian Watson or Jameson Williams before WR needy teams like Detroit, Jacksonville and New York can get them at 32, 33 & 34.
We still have so many needs, maybe we should ask, what do we not need.
I would say our "not-needs" are QB, CB, DT/NT, and OT.
I hope we spend on of our 6th round picks on a K, who can get the kickoffs into the end zone. And I hope we spend the first overall pick on the best available player, which to me looks like Aiden Hutchinson. He's the BAP and he fills a need.
Other than that, assuming our first pick is Aiden Hutchinson, our needs would be, in order,
LB
WR
IOL
TE
S
RB
I think after we take Hutchinson, our most dire need will be LB.
(03-18-2022, 05:51 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We still have so many needs, maybe we should ask, what do we not need.
I would say our "not-needs" are QB, CB, DT/NT, and OT.
I hope we spend on of our 6th round picks on a K, who can get the kickoffs into the end zone. And I hope we spend the first overall pick on the best available player, which to me looks like Aiden Hutchinson. He's the BAP and he fills a need.
Other than that, assuming our first pick is Aiden Hutchinson, our needs would be, in order,
LB
WR
IOL
TE
S
RB
I think after we take Hutchinson, our most dire need will be LB.
Regarding the not-needs, I'd argue that unless we ink Cam to a longer deal, we still need to add developmental depth. Nothing about Taylor wants me to hold out hope that he re-assumes the RT next season. I think a mid-round pick could net you a guy that either serves as your next swing tackle type or someone that can take a year to sit, learn, and challenge for a starting spot next season.