(04-23-2022, 10:09 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 04:41 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Which makes me think he is the pick. They wanted to downplay their interest.
Really? At this Stage? For what? It’s not like anyone is clamoring for that 1st pick, they seemed totally flatline when discussing Hutch. Pederson even seemed kinda perplexed.
Im kinda worried they have their eyes on an OL after that presser. I hope I’m wrong.
I admit the fakeout is unlikely to work, but what is the harm in trying? Teams inevitably already suspect that the Jaguars are taking Hutchinson. Think about it. If another team is in love with an offensive tackle, why trade up to #1 if the Jaguars have publicly committed to Hutchinson? The Jaguars giving the perception that they are considering multiple positions can only increases their trade options.
I will be very surprised if they don't take Hutchinson or trade down.
(04-23-2022, 10:23 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]^^ why. Oline would be a great pick. That would help the jags run the ball and give tlaw time to throw it. It's not as "exciting" perhaps as another selection, but it might just be what the jags need.
Because this OT class is terrible! Neal is an average RT at best, Ekwonu struggles in space and in pass protection and Cross needs a lot of work on his run blocking. None of these guys are anything close to elite OT's.
(04-23-2022, 11:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 10:23 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]^^ why. Oline would be a great pick. That would help the jags run the ball and give tlaw time to throw it. It's not as "exciting" perhaps as another selection, but it might just be what the jags need.
Because this OT class is terrible! Neal is an average RT at best, Ekwonu struggles in space and in pass protection and Cross needs a lot of work on his run blocking. None of these guys are anything close to elite OT's.
At different times the two best tackles we ever had (Bosceli and Searcy) have differed with your opinion on Neal.
(04-23-2022, 11:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Because this OT class is terrible! Neal is an average RT at best, Ekwonu struggles in space and in pass protection and Cross needs a lot of work on his run blocking. None of these guys are anything close to elite OT's.
At different times the two best tackles we ever had (Bosceli and Searcy) have differed with your opinion on Neal.
I loved Boselli and Searcy. There is no Boselli or Searcy in this draft. If there was, I would be clamoring for them. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole.
Nothing against you, but I'll take their evaluation of Neal over yours. Theirs is quite a bit different than yours.
(04-23-2022, 11:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Because this OT class is terrible! Neal is an average RT at best, Ekwonu struggles in space and in pass protection and Cross needs a lot of work on his run blocking. None of these guys are anything close to elite OT's.
At different times the two best tackles we ever had (Bosceli and Searcy) have differed with your opinion on Neal.
Boselli was a great player but has been a very poor talent evaluator. He defended Luke Joeckel even when it was obvious to everyone else that he sucked.
(04-23-2022, 04:41 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 03:58 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?
Which makes me think he is the pick. They wanted to downplay their interest.
Really? At this Stage? For what? It’s not like anyone is clamoring for that 1st pick, they seemed totally flatline when discussing Hutch. Pederson even seemed kinda perplexed.
Im kinda worried they have their eyes on an OL after that presser. I hope I’m wrong.
Hopefully all just smoke screens.
(04-23-2022, 11:23 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing against you, but I'll take their evaluation of Neal over yours. Theirs is quite a bit different than yours.
Boselli has called every LT we drafted great for the last 15 years. None of them have been better than average at best and the majority were closer to replacement level than league average. Boselli track record is highly suspect in this regard, despite his own personal talents.
John Metchie is going to be a stud.. just putting that out there now.. I see so many sleeping on him.
4 more long waits to the draft.
(04-24-2022, 06:12 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]John Metchie is going to be a stud.. just putting that out there now.. I see so many sleeping on him.
I kind of agree. I think he's one of those guys that might surprise people.
(04-23-2022, 03:53 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]If they can't trade down, Travon Walker shouldn't be the pick. I don't have faith in our coaching staff to develop "raw athletes" Chaisson is exhibit A
The difference is that we know for sure Walker is a freak athlete and an extremely large and very long person. Chaisson was very small, had trex arms, and then didn't do a single test pre draft. Everyone just assumes he's a raw athlete but he hasn't done anything on the field that looks like a freak athlete to me.
(04-24-2022, 04:51 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 11:23 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing against you, but I'll take their evaluation of Neal over yours. Theirs is quite a bit different than yours.
Boselli has called every LT we drafted great for the last 15 years. None of them have been better than average at best and the majority were closer to replacement level than league average. Boselli track record is highly suspect in this regard, despite his own personal talents.
I mean, it's kind of been a long time accepted belief that the greater you are on the field the worse you are at eval. Obviously there are John Lynch type of exceptions, but in general I think it's true.
If our 2nd pick (whether by standing pat or trading up) is a WR, I'll hope it's for one of London, Burks or Williams. If we address X WR later on, I'm probably higher than most on Tyquan Thornton, Jalen Tolbert and Alec Pierce. I also am higher on Wan'Dale Robinson if the value is right and would be happy with the pick, but he doesn't have the size we're probably looking for.
(04-24-2022, 10:08 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 03:53 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]If they can't trade down, Travon Walker shouldn't be the pick. I don't have faith in our coaching staff to develop "raw athletes" Chaisson is exhibit A
The difference is that we know for sure Walker is a freak athlete and an extremely large and very long person. Chaisson was very small, had trex arms, and then didn't do a single test pre draft. Everyone just assumes he's a raw athlete but he hasn't done anything on the field that looks like a freak athlete to me.
(04-24-2022, 04:51 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli has called every LT we drafted great for the last 15 years. None of them have been better than average at best and the majority were closer to replacement level than league average. Boselli track record is highly suspect in this regard, despite his own personal talents.
I mean, it's kind of been a long time accepted belief that the greater you are on the field the worse you are at eval. Obviously there are John Lynch type of exceptions, but in general I think it's true.
If it had only been Bo I understand, but Leon has always called thing straight on our tackles. What I really want is for us to help Trevor and the other skilled players. Drafting an edge that can be neutralized by a quality lineman pretty easy is not going to help him. Our defect last year was not the defense. It was an offense that averaged 14 points per game.
(04-24-2022, 10:37 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Drafting an edge that can be neutralized by a quality lineman pretty easy is not going to help him. Our defect last year was not the defense. It was an offense that averaged 14 points per game.
Well we did add a top 10 paid WR, the top paid guard of all time, and two more ~10M weapons with Engram and Zay. And we have 11 more picks after the #1 pick.
It's not like it's #1 pick to help Trevor or bust.
(04-24-2022, 11:21 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 10:37 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Drafting an edge that can be neutralized by a quality lineman pretty easy is not going to help him. Our defect last year was not the defense. It was an offense that averaged 14 points per game.
Well we did add a top 10 paid WR, the top paid guard of all time, and two more ~10M weapons with Engram and Zay. And we have 11 more picks after the #1 pick.
It's not like it's #1 pick to help Trevor or bust.
Is was Byron or bust so we have already busted
(04-24-2022, 10:08 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2022, 03:53 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]If they can't trade down, Travon Walker shouldn't be the pick. I don't have faith in our coaching staff to develop "raw athletes" Chaisson is exhibit A
The difference is that we know for sure Walker is a freak athlete and an extremely large and very long person. Chaisson was very small, had trex arms, and then didn't do a single test pre draft. Everyone just assumes he's a raw athlete but he hasn't done anything on the field that looks like a freak athlete to me.
(04-24-2022, 04:51 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli has called every LT we drafted great for the last 15 years. None of them have been better than average at best and the majority were closer to replacement level than league average. Boselli track record is highly suspect in this regard, despite his own personal talents.
I mean, it's kind of been a long time accepted belief that the greater you are on the field the worse you are at eval. Obviously there are John Lynch type of exceptions, but in general I think it's true.
Boselli also guzzles the teal Kool-aid and rocks teal tinted sun glasses. So that is likely making him biased as well.
Strong vibe from Baalke in that presser he wants to trade out of #33 to gain more picks.
That could get very interesting.
(04-24-2022, 02:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Strong vibe from Baalke in that presser he wants to trade out of #33 to gain more picks.
That could get very interesting.
He cited his own history of trading back, but I think under the right circumstances, he could trade up.
I just saw a mock where the Chargers missed out on their RT in the first, so they traded back to 33, and the Jaguars wound up with Olave.
Depending upon what they gave up, I don't think I would have a problem with that.