(04-27-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Giving 18M a year to your 2nd best LT is brilliant. Great job Trent.
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My thoughts exactly. Trent is such a hack. Little has more upside than Cam at left tackle, and he's on a rookie deal. Trent could've simply tagged Robinson, and then traded him (with Little waiting to take over) during the season to a team whose LT goes down.
It looks like Pederson has lost the power struggle for the top pick. Now it's between Shad and Trent. I think Trent is gonna win because he's like Teflon and gets his way with Shad.
(04-27-2022, 10:45 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I bet the Vegas odds on us drafting Ickey just went down. Looks like it's gonna be an edge rusher or something out of left field.
I'm so tired of going by the numbers. Some arbitrary draft value board invented in the 90s.
The Jags should draft the player that in 5 years will be considered the best player out of the draft. Position shouldn't even factor into it.
It's Sauce. 100% it's Sauce. He is going to be a perennial all-pro. Lets just get the best player. Please.
I've heard a lot of people say the best player in 5 years will be Travon Walker.
Well he is no Luke Joeckel so we have that going for us. Honestly nothing they do this offseason is going to warm me to any decision the team makes at this point. I want to see some progress on the field. At least we can avoid some of the joke of last offseason bleeding into the season it seems.
Also... Fire Baalke no matter what happens. I am just spiteful at this point.
(04-27-2022, 11:37 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Giving 18M a year to your 2nd best LT is brilliant. Great job Trent.
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My thoughts exactly. Trent is such a hack. Little has more upside than Cam at left tackle, and he's on a rookie deal. Trent could've simply tagged Robinson, and then traded him (with Little waiting to take over) during the season to a team whose LT goes down.
It looks like Pederson has lost the power struggle for the top pick. Now it's between Shad and Trent. I think Trent is gonna win because he's like Teflon and gets his way with Shad.
I'm sure this extension was just as much Pederson's plan as the front office.
Per ESPN....
"Robinson ranked 48th among qualifying tackles last season with an 86.1% pass block win rate -- per ESPN Stats & Information research -- which is just below average (87.5%). During the 2017-21 seasons, he ranked 69th in pass block win rate (81.3%) among tackles who played at least 16 games."
Obviously Baalke and coach see something in Cam that the stats don't illustrate.
(04-27-2022, 11:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 10:45 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm so tired of going by the numbers. Some arbitrary draft value board invented in the 90s.
The Jags should draft the player that in 5 years will be considered the best player out of the draft. Position shouldn't even factor into it.
It's Sauce. 100% it's Sauce. He is going to be a perennial all-pro. Lets just get the best player. Please.
I've heard a lot of people say the best player in 5 years will be Travon Walker.
If he were 300+ pounds instead of 275 I'd agree. Moving like he does for 275 is blah. Obviously. Since he didn't do [BLEEP] in college.
(04-27-2022, 12:01 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 11:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard a lot of people say the best player in 5 years will be Travon Walker.
If he were 300+ pounds instead of 275 I'd agree. Moving like he does for 275 is blah. Obviously. Since he didn't do [BLEEP] in college.
I don't like that upside argument. If he's just hitting his stride in five years, well, his rookie contract is expiring and now you've got to decide whether you pay him big bucks. Or, you can draft the guy who produces solid stats right away for those five years.
I think this is more Baalke harboring a grudge against Harbaugh than anything. Few if any other teams would take Walker over Hutch.
(04-27-2022, 12:14 PM)LTheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 12:01 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]If he were 300+ pounds instead of 275 I'd agree. Moving like he does for 275 is blah. Obviously. Since he didn't do [BLEEP] in college.
I don't like that upside argument. If he's just hitting his stride in five years, well, his rookie contract is expiring and now you've got to decide whether you pay him big bucks. Or, you can draft the guy who produces solid stats right away for those five years.
I think this is more Baalke harboring a grudge against Harbaugh than anything. Few if any other teams would take Walker over Hutch.
I hope your opinion is shared by opposing GMs. Easier to pull the wool over their eyes.
(04-25-2022, 08:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 08:09 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind this puts any OT out of the question. If they are working on signing Cam they are not drafting a RT at 1 overall. I guess they see potential but in Cam's defense I believe he only allowed 1 sack all of last year.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/tren...reddit.com
maybe not "any OT". But it should put the kibosh on taking one early. I think we can look at a day 3 pick just to add some Josh Wells-type depth. Not someone you want to hang a season's hopes on, but good enough to step in and give you some decent reps if your starter turns an ankle or something inevitable like that.
This assumes the brass is happy with Little's progress to date.
We may have liked what Little has to offer, but perhaps Pederson isn't so sure.
Maybe Pederson believes in stacking the OL with talent. You know how people say you can never have enough pass rushers? Maybe he thinks you can never have enough quality tackles.
I wish I could remember who it was I have been debating over the years (my apologies to him) but he would constantly contend the game has evolved over the years to the point where there isn't much different between the LT and RT positions. I would debate him up and down on that point, but if the Jaguars take Ekwonu or Neal tomorrow, it would appear on some level that that poster was onto something.
I wouldn't object to Neal or Ekwonu being taken #1 overall. Such a selection would give us the best combination of talent and depth we've ever had on the OL. Our TC teams had Boselli and Searcy at Ts, and a versatile ben Coleman at LG, but C (Dave Widell) and RG (Rich Tyski) were just guys.
The JDR OLs had a good interior three (from LG-RG Manuwai, Meester, Naoele), a decent RT in Mo WIlliams and later Pashos, but no LT (Khaif Barnes for a year and a half) and no depth.
The 2017 OL performed well, but was okay individuals (rookie Cam Robinson, Omameh, Meester, Uche and Parnell), but as we saw in 2018, there was zero depth to that group/
If this team added Neal or Ekwonu, it would immediately upgrade no fewer than three positions along the OL (LG, RG, RT), but we'd have more depth and versatility than any group we've had.
Crap !!! I surely thought the Rams would step up and give us two 1st rounders that we would ultimately bust on.
(04-25-2022, 04:50 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-25-2022, 04:40 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Overlooking the fact that the bolded sentence doesn't make sense from a grammatical standpoint, I don't see this as a compliment. Translated: at times, you have intelligent things to say but most of the times you don't.
It was a backhanded complement, but I was extending the olive branch.
And really, look at my post history, he ain't wrong about most of the times
I actually contract my post review out to a 3rd party contractor for them to ensure each and every post of mine is written and posted in a very highly intellectual manner. Sometimes it takes a few days for the entire review process to take place. A prime example is the fact that this response was drafted yesterday and has already undergone 16+ hours of review.
(04-27-2022, 01:17 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 12:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This assumes the brass is happy with Little's progress to date.
We may have liked what Little has to offer, but perhaps Pederson isn't so sure.
Maybe Pederson believes in stacking the OL with talent. You know how people say you can never have enough pass rushers? Maybe he thinks you can never have enough quality tackles.
I wish I could remember who it was I have been debating over the years (my apologies to him) but he would constantly contend the game has evolved over the years to the point where there isn't much different between the LT and RT positions. I would debate him up and down on that point, but if the Jaguars take Ekwonu or Neal tomorrow, it would appear on some level that that poster was onto something.
One thing to remember is Brunell was left handed so Searcy protected the blind side. Also I agree RT or LT, the way defenses move people around they are equally important today. (thus their value to the team is equal)
I wouldn't object to Neal or Ekwonu being taken #1 overall. Such a selection would give us the best combination of talent and depth we've ever had on the OL. Our TC teams had Boselli and Searcy at Ts, and a versatile ben Coleman at LG, but C (Dave Widell) and RG (Rich Tyski) were just guys. TC's MO was to have real good tackles and a decent to good center with guys for guards. This prevailed even during his time in NY.
The JDR OLs had a good interior three (from LG-RG Manuwai, Meester, Naoele), a decent RT in Mo WIlliams and later Pashos, but no LT (Khaif Barnes for a year and a half) and no depth.
The 2017 OL performed well, but was okay individuals (rookie Cam Robinson, Omameh, Meester, Uche and Parnell), but as we saw in 2018, there was zero depth to that group/
If this team added Neal or Ekwonu, it would immediately upgrade no fewer than three positions along the OL (LG, RG, RT), but we'd have more depth and versatility than any group we've had. It would also set us up for the next few years allowing resources to other areas. It certainly would be the most flexible group we ever had. If they had not come to agreement with CAM before the draft I believe they would have gone OT. (or at least that is what they told Cam and his agent) If they had no agreement Cam would have had all the leverage in negotiations.
Who know where they are going tomorrow now...
Completely agree, though the talk today is Ekwonu is the guy.
I like the signing. You can’t have Pro Bowl talent at every position. He’s a quality starter and will have to step up and play.
Little is going to play RT. And in 2-3 years maybe he takes over for Cam at that point. GMs have to play the long game.
Perhaps the talk about Littles hands not being great had some merit even though we all liked what we saw in his spot duty. I believe Pederson had input here and he's liked Cams tape vs what else we have and other OTs in this draft.
Robinson is being paid as a top 5 LT (tied for 5th highest currently). Which may seem high until other young players start getting their contracts. And I imagine in 2 years we can move on from the 3 year contract of need be.
I'm not mad at all. But if course some of the usual suspects are... sky screamers
I would be content with taking Neal or Ekwonu at #1. For me, it’s about having security for our most treasured asset right now. Hutch and Walker are nice solid picks, but they won’t be able to save us if, god forbid, the injury monster strikes the OL. Not to mention development time. Can Cam give us 3 more solid years? I’m dubious. An OT waiting in the wings gives me a warm fuzzy.
(04-27-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would be content with taking Neal or Ekwonu at #1. For me, it’s about having security for our most treasured asset right now. Hutch and Walker are nice solid picks, but they won’t be able to save us if, god forbid, the injury monster strikes the OL. Not to mention development time. Can Cam give us 3 more solid years? I’m dubious. An OT waiting in the wings gives me a warm fuzzy.
IMO, security for Lawrence would mean giving him a receiver he can count on. We have yet to do that. We could build an impenetrable wall around him and it wouldn't do any good if none of his receivers can get open and make plays.
(04-27-2022, 02:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15193...EkijLcdqcg
Not surprising. It's not like there was a large demand for Robinson. Not many teams are gonna be willing to pay a high premium for a "meh" LT.
(04-27-2022, 03:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would be content with taking Neal or Ekwonu at #1. For me, it’s about having security for our most treasured asset right now. Hutch and Walker are nice solid picks, but they won’t be able to save us if, god forbid, the injury monster strikes the OL. Not to mention development time. Can Cam give us 3 more solid years? I’m dubious. An OT waiting in the wings gives me a warm fuzzy.
IMO, security for Lawrence would mean giving him a receiver he can count on. We have yet to do that. We could build an impenetrable wall around him and it wouldn't do any good if none of his receivers can get open and make plays.
(04-27-2022, 02:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15193...EkijLcdqcg
Not surprising. It's not like there was a large demand for Robinson. Not many teams are gonna be willing to pay a high premium for a "meh" LT.
And the solution is to draft a rookie #1 who has played zero downs in the NFL? I guess that could work.