(04-27-2022, 03:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would be content with taking Neal or Ekwonu at #1. For me, it’s about having security for our most treasured asset right now. Hutch and Walker are nice solid picks, but they won’t be able to save us if, god forbid, the injury monster strikes the OL. Not to mention development time. Can Cam give us 3 more solid years? I’m dubious. An OT waiting in the wings gives me a warm fuzzy.
IMO, security for Lawrence would mean giving him a receiver he can count on. We have yet to do that. We could build an impenetrable wall around him and it wouldn't do any good if none of his receivers can get open and make plays.
(04-27-2022, 02:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15193...EkijLcdqcg
Not surprising. It's not like there was a large demand for Robinson. Not many teams are gonna be willing to pay a high premium for a "meh" LT.
No doubt, but we're not going to take a WR with the #1 pick.
(04-27-2022, 03:10 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]IMO, security for Lawrence would mean giving him a receiver he can count on. We have yet to do that. We could build an impenetrable wall around him and it wouldn't do any good if none of his receivers can get open and make plays.
Not surprising. It's not like there was a large demand for Robinson. Not many teams are gonna be willing to pay a high premium for a "meh" LT.
And the solution is to draft a rookie #1 who has played zero downs in the NFL? I guess that could work.
Well, it certainly doesn't look like we're gonna trade for a proven one, so what other option is there?
(04-27-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Giving 18M a year to your 2nd best LT is brilliant. Great job Trent.
/s
If the Jags had not tagged Cam, do you think he would be starting in the NFL in 2022?
Because basically 20 Tackles are making 16 million or more right now in the NFL based on spotrac.
(04-27-2022, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]IMO, security for Lawrence would mean giving him a receiver he can count on. We have yet to do that. We could build an impenetrable wall around him and it wouldn't do any good if none of his receivers can get open and make plays.
Not surprising. It's not like there was a large demand for Robinson. Not many teams are gonna be willing to pay a high premium for a "meh" LT.
No doubt, but we're not going to take a WR with the #1 pick.
If we're not gonna use the #1 pick on a WR and we're not gonna trade back up into the first round to get one, we're very likely not getting a #1 receiver. This draft is extremely top heavy at the position and the talent level falls off a cliff after Dotson.
(04-27-2022, 03:14 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:10 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution is to draft a rookie #1 who has played zero downs in the NFL? I guess that could work.
Well, it certainly doesn't look like we're gonna trade for a proven one, so what other option is there?
Yea hear you there. Who knows for sure? Well. tomorrow we roll the dice. My only hope is they come up seven. I'll take 11 also...
Absolutely fine with this. Now we have Walker at RT, Cam at LT and Scherf at guard. Get a center/guard in the draft and the oline might finally be decent. Kinda wish we kept norwell now tbh lol.
(04-27-2022, 03:15 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Giving 18M a year to your 2nd best LT is brilliant. Great job Trent.
/s
If the Jags had not tagged Cam, do you think he would be starting in the NFL in 2022?
Because basically 20 Tackles are making 16 million or more right now in the NFL based on spotrac.
He'd be a low end starter somewhere. A lot of teams in the NFL have very bad OT's. When you find one that is at least functional, they hold onto them unless they find something better.
(04-27-2022, 03:16 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt, but we're not going to take a WR with the #1 pick.
If we're not gonna use the #1 pick on a WR and we're not gonna trade back up into the first round to get one, we're very likely not getting a #1 receiver. This draft is extremely top heavy at the position and the talent level falls off a cliff after Dotson.
I'd be willing to bet legitimate amounts of money that Metchie will end up being a far better player than Dotson and people have him going late second early third lmao.
(04-27-2022, 03:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely fine with this. Now we have Walker at RT, Cam at LT and Scherf at guard. Get a center/guard in the draft and the oline might finally be decent. Kinda wish we kept norwell now tbh lol.
If we kept Norwell, we wouldn't have Scherff.
(04-27-2022, 03:14 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:10 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution is to draft a rookie #1 who has played zero downs in the NFL? I guess that could work.
Well, it certainly doesn't look like we're gonna trade for a proven one, so what other option is there?
Isn't one of Jameson's knocks that he has struggled a bit with press?
Also, the idea of getting a star WR in the draft is getting great production on a rookie deal. If this off season has shown anything, most WRs who produce in the first 2-3 are going to expect an extention. So, you are already losing the first year due to his recovery and in ability to get in a rapport with Lawrence.
I understand it if he were healthy. I just don't think it is as strategically sound as you make it seem with him coming back from injury.
(04-27-2022, 03:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:15 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jags had not tagged Cam, do you think he would be starting in the NFL in 2022?
Because basically 20 Tackles are making 16 million or more right now in the NFL based on spotrac.
He'd be a low end starter somewhere. A lot of teams in the NFL have very bad OT's. When you find one that is at least functional, they hold onto them unless they find something better.
I think around the NFL he would be considered about average with many FO/O line coaches thinking they could help him improve to be better than that. So I don't think the reported contrast is that outlandish.
(04-27-2022, 03:19 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:16 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If we're not gonna use the #1 pick on a WR and we're not gonna trade back up into the first round to get one, we're very likely not getting a #1 receiver. This draft is extremely top heavy at the position and the talent level falls off a cliff after Dotson.
I'd be willing to bet legitimate amounts of money that Metchie will end up being a far better player than Dotson and people have him going late second early third lmao.
I like Metchie, but he is a slot receiver and we already vastly overpaid for one of those. We don't need another slot guy. Dotson can and has had success playing on the outside. It's not just about getting any WR. It's about getting a good one who can play outside.
(04-27-2022, 03:10 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution is to draft a rookie #1 who has played zero downs in the NFL? I guess that could work.
The solution should have been letting Walker take over at LT and getting a solid but much cheaper RT in FA or the draft. Abraham Lucas at 33 would have been an excellent solution if you want something specific.
(04-27-2022, 03:20 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 03:14 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it certainly doesn't look like we're gonna trade for a proven one, so what other option is there?
Isn't one of Jameson's knocks that he has struggled a bit with press?
Also, the idea of getting a star WR in the draft is getting great production on a rookie deal. If this off season has shown anything, most WRs who produce in the first 2-3 are going to expect an extention. So, you are already losing the first year due to his recovery and in ability to get in a rapport with Lawrence.
I understand it if he were healthy. I just don't think it is as strategically sound as you make it seem with him coming back from injury.
(04-27-2022, 03:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He'd be a low end starter somewhere. A lot of teams in the NFL have very bad OT's. When you find one that is at least functional, they hold onto them unless they find something better.
I think around the NFL he would be considered about average with many FO/O line coaches thinking they could help him improve to be better than that. So I don't think the reported contrast is that outlandish.
I never saw Williams struggling against press coverage. I saw many Alabama games last season just to watch him play and he was a dominant WR.
We're not a good team. I wouldn't draft him with the idea he would "blow the doors off" opposing CB's in his rookie year. Most WR's take time coming into the NFL, even when they are healthy. Picking him would be more for the 2023 season. What would that hurt? It's not like we're gonna be contending for anything in 2022 anyway. It's a marathon, not a sprint and I can see Williams being one of the most dominant WR's in the NFL in late 2023 and into the foreseeable future. We don't need players to come in and be immediate stars. We need really good players who can set us up for the future and Williams can do that.
I'm ecstatic that a deal has been inked w/respect to Cam signing an three year contract. As per my Wish List, we can now draft an DL/PR within the first round. Upon availability, draft the top rated center as the starter (which would give us depth at the position) within the second round and draft BAP throughout the remainder of the 2022 NFL Draft.
If my scenario pans out we will have plenty of quality depth and talent.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I like that they have extended a player that this team drafted. I don’t love or hate Cam, and I am interested to see how he does with a new O line coach and with improved QB play. The contract value is a bit high, but it doesn’t seem outrageous based on the market. Congratulations to Cam and hopefully this looks like a bargain down the road.
PFF's latest (4/22) WR rankings is surprising to me, but interesting to see/ponder. The player's PFF big board rank is first next to the name. The second is the NFL.com grade, and third is the next gen stats grade. There is not a clear consensus between these sources.
Jameson Williams 9 6.48 91
Drake London 13 6.40 87
Garrett Wilson 14 6.50 87
Chris Olave 21 6.43 84
Skyy Moore 22 6.24 77
George Pickens 28 6.23 78
Treylon Burks 46 6.50 88
Jalen Tolbert 54 6.21 81
Jahan Dotson 56 6.25 82
John Metchie 74 6.18 79
I think Cam Robinson will end up playing right tackle by the end of his contract. Time will tell.
(04-27-2022, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]3 years - 54 mil possible - team out clause after two yrs
basically the same thing we've done with most of our FA recently.
I'm supposed to have a meltdown now, right?
(04-27-2022, 05:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]3 years - 54 mil possible - team out clause after two yrs
basically the same thing we've done with most of our FA recently.
I'm supposed to have a meltdown now, right?
No I would save your melt down energy for later in the week. Just an idea...
(04-27-2022, 05:18 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 05:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]basically the same thing we've done with most of our FA recently.
I'm supposed to have a meltdown now, right?
No I would save your melt down energy for later in the week. Just an idea...
Oddly enough, I have meltups.