(05-03-2022, 02:14 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Dems are running out of issues to use to deflect thier failures. They know this will galvanize thier base. All about saving thier hides for 2022 midterms.
As a pro-life Democrat, I fully believe this will galvanize the female population (Republican and Democrat) as 39% of the Republican women think abortion should be legal. In total, 62% of women think abortion should be legal whereas only 56% of men think it should be legal (stats on the last paragraph of the link below).
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ost-cases/
This is the one issue that could trip the the gop up this fall. Someone threw up a hail Mary.
Yup. The timing always amazes me. Then again, if you really believe abortion is killing babies, you go all in as soon as you can.
The Court was going to release the final version of this decision before the election. They've already waited quite a while.
Economic pain is real, and for so many women; abortion is merely a philosophical ideal rather than personal experiences. Once the pain gets worse, which it will. Those same people will be voting with their wallets and not their “principles” .
We’ll see
As a pro-life libertarian I'll say this, it is now in the pro-life supporters to prove it going forward. Yes I want a ban on any abortion after the first trimester and that means I'm also willing to support expanding birth control, welfare, and education cost at my state level. We can't just be pro birth I'm pro life so if I'm going to support abandoning abortions in my state I have to be more open to helping those that need in my state.
At the state level I'd support free birth control, I'm willing to expand welfare and I'm also open to paying more for schools. That's how important this issue is to me.
My wife and I have offered to take in 3 kids in need this year in addition to our 4, so far their home situation hasn't reached the point they need to live with us full time but if comes to it we've told all three households we will do it. We have to fill the gap for these kids this be is our chance to not only save lives but also change lives, these kids deserve it we must demand it
(05-03-2022, 07:50 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]As a pro-life libertarian I'll say this, it is now in the pro-life supporters to prove it going forward. Yes I want a ban on any abortion after the first trimester and that means I'm also willing to support expanding birth control, welfare, and education cost at my state level. We can't just be pro birth I'm pro life so if I'm going to support abandoning abortions in my state I have to be more open to helping those that need in my state.
At the state level I'd support free birth control, I'm willing to expand welfare and I'm also open to paying more for schools. That's how important this issue is to me.
My wife and I have offered to take in 3 kids in need this year in addition to our 4, so far their home situation hasn't reached the point they need to live with us full time but if comes to it we've told all three households we will do it. We have to fill the gap for these kids this be is our chance to not only save lives but also change lives, these kids deserve it we must demand it
That's amazing.
And I agree with your POV, if we're going to reduce access to abortion, we need to increase welfare for parents. It's messed up that one party supports one and the other party supports the other but neither support both. We need both going forward.
State governments are really bad at expanding welfare on their own unfortunately, and the ones that are willing to raise state taxes to do it are the same ones that aren't willing to reduce abortion. So that's backwards too.
Ideally both issues would be resolved at the federal level, as a compromise between the parties, for less abortion access, but more welfare for parents.
"Hm.. I wonder what's going on the political section today." <click> <click> "Oh for [BLEEP] sake, what was I thinking?"
Excited to see who leaked!
(05-03-2022, 11:06 PM)snaxdelrio Wrote: [ -> ]Excited to see who leaked!
On leak, my money is someone in admin. Printer’s office. Secretary. The like. It’s not out of the realm of possibility for a justice or clerk to leak but it’s much longer odds than a support staffer. Or maybe someone’s spouse picked it up out of the home office.
(05-04-2022, 05:41 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022, 11:06 PM)snaxdelrio Wrote: [ -> ]Excited to see who leaked!
On leak, my money is someone in admin. Printer’s office. Secretary. The like. It’s not out of the realm of possibility for a justice or clerk to leak but it’s much longer odds than a support staffer. Or maybe someone’s spouse picked it up out of the home office.
This leak is par for the course for one particular side. Nothing is out of bounds and the ends always justify the means. I think the best odds are with the rumor that Sotomayor's clerk was the leaker being that he was already a known source for the journalist who broke the story. If he didn't leak it, I'd have a hard time believing he didn't at least conspire with the person who did. Proving it is another matter entirely. Not sure how one does without the journalist revealing the source. I'm guessing the leaker is smart enough not to have emailed it anywhere and instead printed a hard copy or had someone else print the hard copy who wouldn't be under scrutiny for doing so.
If you're on record opposing a particular Justice's nomination, any of the other Justices probably shouldn't then bring you on to their staff as a professional courtesy to the other Justice(s). That's not the times we live in though.
(05-03-2022, 07:27 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Economic pain is real, and for so many women; abortion is merely a philosophical ideal rather than personal experiences. Once the pain gets worse, which it will. Those same people will be voting with their wallets and not their “principles” .
We’ll see
We shall see. Personally, I never factored Roe v Wade into my voting equation because I thought there was no way in hell this could ever be overturned in my lifetime. Now that it's back on the table "for real", it will be a very significant factor in my vote. I think we will see a lot more votes across party lines this upcoming election. My vote has been ~ 65% Dem as I have previously voted for H.W. Bush, B. Clintonx2, GW Bush, Obama, Romney, H. Clinton, and Biden in the past presidential elections.
(05-03-2022, 09:18 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]"Hm.. I wonder what's going on the political section today." <click> <click> "Oh for [BLEEP] sake, what was I thinking?"
Interesting reaction on what has thus far been one of the most sane and rational conversations in the history of the political section.
(05-03-2022, 03:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022, 02:14 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Dems are running out of issues to use to deflect thier failures. They know this will galvanize thier base. All about saving thier hides for 2022 midterms.
As a pro-life Democrat, I fully believe this will galvanize the female population (Republican and Democrat) as 39% of the Republican women think abortion should be legal. In total, 62% of women think abortion should be legal whereas only 56% of men think it should be legal (stats on the last paragraph of the link below).
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ost-cases/
Wow. Pro-life Democrat. You sir, are practically an extinct species, or something along the lines of the Unicorn. But good on you for sticking with your Party and principles. I remember the Dem party from the 60's; my Mom was a registered Democrat until she just couldn't take anymore and switched. Your party abandoned you, not the other way around. And in many ways, I feel the same about myself and the GOP.
The leak is a bigger deal for me than the ruling. Are we now in a time where activists potentially from both sides begin leaking rulings on hot button issues to sway public opinion and/or to threaten Justices?
I know Roe v. Wade is a hot button issue for many. It’s not so much for me though. My position on it has changed at different points in my life. I’ve been on both sides. I lean pro-life now, but I’m not gonna march or protest over it.
I do find it a strange hill to die on for those who are militant about it on the pro-choice side though.
The abortion issue is much less significant to most people's lives now because the procedure is simply less common than it used to be.
Birth control is more reliable and more commonly used now, and there is much less shame associated with being a single mother or single and pregnant.
Now, there are definitely people out there who would like to turn back the clock on that, but they're a tiny minority, and won't be able to convince anyone. A lot of people are open to the idea that a fetus is a baby and you shouldn't kill it, regardless if religion. But not a lot of people will be open to the idea that sex outside marriage should be punished or that birth control should be illegal. Even religious people tend to adopt a live and let live attitude on those issues, today.
My body my choice.. Unless it's a mandatory vaccine, right?
[BLEEP] off..
(05-04-2022, 09:44 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2022, 07:27 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Economic pain is real, and for so many women; abortion is merely a philosophical ideal rather than personal experiences. Once the pain gets worse, which it will. Those same people will be voting with their wallets and not their “principles” .
We’ll see
We shall see. Personally, I never factored Roe v Wade into my voting equation because I thought there was no way in hell this could ever be overturned in my lifetime. Now that it's back on the table "for real", it will be a very significant factor in my vote. I think we will see a lot more votes across party lines this upcoming election. My vote has been ~ 65% Dem as I have previously voted for H.W. Bush, B. Clintonx2, GW Bush, Obama, Romney, H. Clinton, and Biden in the past presidential elections.
Roe Vs Wade only returns the matter back to the states. IT DOES NOT RESTRICT OR BAN ABORTION...
(05-04-2022, 03:50 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2022, 09:44 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]We shall see. Personally, I never factored Roe v Wade into my voting equation because I thought there was no way in hell this could ever be overturned in my lifetime. Now that it's back on the table "for real", it will be a very significant factor in my vote. I think we will see a lot more votes across party lines this upcoming election. My vote has been ~ 65% Dem as I have previously voted for H.W. Bush, B. Clintonx2, GW Bush, Obama, Romney, H. Clinton, and Biden in the past presidential elections.
Roe Vs Wade only returns the matter back to the states. IT DOES NOT RESTRICT OR BAN ABORTION...
So you think red states aren't going to restrict or ban them?
(05-04-2022, 02:51 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]My body my choice.. Unless it's a mandatory vaccine, right?
[BLEEP] off..
My body my choice....unless you're a pregnant woman, right?
(05-04-2022, 03:50 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2022, 09:44 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]We shall see. Personally, I never factored Roe v Wade into my voting equation because I thought there was no way in hell this could ever be overturned in my lifetime. Now that it's back on the table "for real", it will be a very significant factor in my vote. I think we will see a lot more votes across party lines this upcoming election. My vote has been ~ 65% Dem as I have previously voted for H.W. Bush, B. Clintonx2, GW Bush, Obama, Romney, H. Clinton, and Biden in the past presidential elections.
Roe Vs Wade only returns the matter back to the states. IT DOES NOT RESTRICT OR BAN ABORTION...
I've got a bridge to sell you.