(05-11-2022, 10:26 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2022, 11:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]After you.
He says the truth as he sees it and everyone respects him for that.
You? I think you are naive or an attention seeker. You're definitely a contrarian - which I can get behind. I often play devil's advocate about things I don't care about.
FSG is witty, but he's no more or less truthful than me.
I'm not seeking attention.
People say I'm naive when I tell them I don't care about or believe the latest ideological conspiracy theory they're pushing.
But I think a lot of y'all are naive when you tell me you don't think Trump was trying to be a dictator.
I think a lot of y'all are naive when you think that government can obtain victory in the ideological realm somehow, that at some future date the government will crush your ideological enemies, drive them before you, and you will hear the lamentation of their women. And only after that happens do you think it will be possible to work on other problems. Newsflash: a government that can punish
their wrongthink, can also punish
your wrongthink. And what do elections look like, when certain views are banned? How will We the People have any role in addressing problems at all if there are no elections?
Maybe I'm paranoid, or maybe y'all are not being serious and I'm missing the sarcasm, but, no, I'm not naive.
More and more evidence suggests something seriously shady went down in those swing states, but you'll never even consider it, so spare me the dictator crap. And you call it a conspiracy when we talk about progressive ideology because you're too lazy to actually read it. I have said it before, and I will say it again: We are devolving into a power grab because the LEFT is making it so that is the only option. You can say whatever you want, but you ARE naive.
(05-11-2022, 02:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]More and more evidence suggests something seriously shady went down in those swing states, but you'll never even consider it, so spare me the dictator crap. And you call it a conspiracy when we talk about progressive ideology because you're too lazy to actually read it. I have said it before, and I will say it again: We are devolving into a power grab because the LEFT is making it so that is the only option. You can say whatever you want, but you ARE naive.
Oh I read it all. I skim it for numbers. That's what engineers do.
They've found about 500 cases of election fraud in 2020.
Many in states Trump won.
They need to find 250,000 cases, and only in states Biden won.
Your claims are about 3 orders of magnitude away from being credible. That's the difference between gulping swimming pool water and gulping Clorox. That's the difference between a squeeze a lemon juice and a teaspoon of sulfuric acid. You've got a ways to go.
This 2020 election stuff is so far past the smell test you have to be plugging your nose.
Trump said months before election day, the results would be illegitimate, unless he won. He didn't explain how or why they would be illegitimate. He just "knew" he was supposed to win, before even one ballot was mailed out, he was already saying this.
The members of Congress who suggested that things were not on the up and up, all of them were elected using the exact same voting machines with the same paper on the same day as the Presidential election. None of them questioned their own election.
It's a joke. Why do otherwise skeptical people not see through this?
I thought this was about Roe v Wade
(05-11-2022, 10:43 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I thought this was about Roe v Wade
It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
(05-11-2022, 10:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 10:43 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I thought this was about Roe v Wade
It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
I'm not in favor of protesting outside of any public officials home. Regardless of party or ideology. Down time is down time. If you have an issue, protest at their place of work. Not sure which side started this, but I can damn well see that it's been the leftists doing it pretty much unilaterally for some time now. I'd like to see these protestors reactions if they had protestors outside their homes.
(05-11-2022, 10:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 10:43 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I thought this was about Roe v Wade
It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
It's a felony. If the cops continue to sit by and do nothing, people need to intervene.
Don't know the state laws there in the 2 states but generally citizens arrest are legal for felonies.
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(05-12-2022, 01:05 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 10:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
It's a felony. If the cops continue to sit by and do nothing, people need to intervene.
Don't know the state laws there in the 2 states but generally citizens arrest are legal for felonies.
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Which part is a felony?
If they're not entering the property, not blocking people from getting in or out, how is it a felony?
(05-11-2022, 06:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]This 2020 election stuff is so far past the smell test you have to be plugging your nose.
Trump said months before election day, the results would be illegitimate, unless he won. He didn't explain how or why they would be illegitimate. He just "knew" he was supposed to win, before even one ballot was mailed out, he was already saying this.
The members of Congress who suggested that things were not on the up and up, all of them were elected using the exact same voting machines with the same paper on the same day as the Presidential election. None of them questioned their own election.
It's a joke. Why do otherwise skeptical people not see through this?
You're so simple. I've told you what created the problem, and I'm sure you haven't looked into it. Neither did anyone else with power, because they wanted Trump gone.
Oh, almost forgot.... abortion.
(05-12-2022, 08:38 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 06:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]This 2020 election stuff is so far past the smell test you have to be plugging your nose.
Trump said months before election day, the results would be illegitimate, unless he won. He didn't explain how or why they would be illegitimate. He just "knew" he was supposed to win, before even one ballot was mailed out, he was already saying this.
The members of Congress who suggested that things were not on the up and up, all of them were elected using the exact same voting machines with the same paper on the same day as the Presidential election. None of them questioned their own election.
It's a joke. Why do otherwise skeptical people not see through this?
You're so simple. I've told you what created the problem, and I'm sure you haven't looked into it. Neither did anyone else with power, because they wanted Trump gone.
Oh, almost forgot.... abortion.
And I just presented two counterarguments above that you haven't, and likely won't, acknowledge.
I think having nonviolent protestors outside a house is fine. There should be extra police presence while the protestors are there, but as long as they don't block the roads or hurt anyone, let them protest until they get tired of protesting.
(05-12-2022, 07:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2022, 01:05 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's a felony. If the cops continue to sit by and do nothing, people need to intervene.
Don't know the state laws there in the 2 states but generally citizens arrest are legal for felonies.
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Which part is a felony?
If they're not entering the property, not blocking people from getting in or out, how is it a felony?
I'm not so sure that it's a felony, but it is against the law.
Federal U.S. code 1507
Quote:Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.
(05-12-2022, 09:34 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2022, 07:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Which part is a felony?
If they're not entering the property, not blocking people from getting in or out, how is it a felony?
I'm not so sure that it's a felony, but it is against the law.
Federal U.S. code 1507
Quote:Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.
They're not going in. They are going near. But near is vague. Sounds like it's up to the police and marshals to determine how near is too near, to set up barricades with warnings, punish anyone who defies that, and leave the rest of the protestors unpunished.
Which is probably exactly what they're doing.
Right?
(05-12-2022, 08:47 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2022, 08:38 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're so simple. I've told you what created the problem, and I'm sure you haven't looked into it. Neither did anyone else with power, because they wanted Trump gone.
Oh, almost forgot.... abortion.
And I just presented two counterarguments above that you haven't, and likely won't, acknowledge.
I think having nonviolent protestors outside a house is fine. There should be extra police presence while the protestors are there, but as long as they don't block the roads or hurt anyone, let them protest until they get tired of protesting.
I'm not addressing them because they aren't relevant. We're not even talking about the same thing. I listed the reasons why you are wrong in our many previous discussions about this topic. Address the mules man. Without looking up your talking points for once.
As to protesting outside a house, it's against the law. Why do you split hairs? Just be consistent. By your standards, it's insurrection.
(05-12-2022, 11:46 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2022, 08:47 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]And I just presented two counterarguments above that you haven't, and likely won't, acknowledge.
I think having nonviolent protestors outside a house is fine. There should be extra police presence while the protestors are there, but as long as they don't block the roads or hurt anyone, let them protest until they get tired of protesting.
I'm not addressing them because they aren't relevant. We're not even talking about the same thing. I listed the reasons why you are wrong in our many previous discussions about this topic. Address the mules man. Without looking up your talking points for once.
As to protesting outside a house, it's against the law. Why do you split hairs? Just be consistent. By your standards, it's insurrection.
It's not relevant that the President of the United States said, before anyone voted, that the results would be illegitimate. That he did not tell us why. That he made no effort to fix the procedures or stop the people who were making it illegitimate. That he said it actually would be legitimate, but only if he won. Whatever secret evidence he had of secret illegitimate plans, all that evidence wouldn't matter if he won. He said this. Openly. None of those things are relevant to you.
Hint: you wouldn't be concerned about this mule thing, which only became a story later, if Trump hadn't planted the seed of "this election will be illegitimate unless I win" before it even took place. Trump planted that seed, and the fruit is that all these parasites you listen to and read now have to try and prove the thing he asserted with no evidence. It's sad, that you take all of this seriously.
Kidnapping a judge would be insurrectionary.
Blockading his house would be as well.
Staying behind a police line while you protest him, not an insurrection.
To state again what should be obvious. January 6 wouldn't have been an insurrection if no one attacked and crossed the police barricades.
Turn off the hate.
Stop listening to people who lie to you.
Learn to reason again.
(05-11-2022, 10:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 10:43 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I thought this was about Roe v Wade
It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
Under no circumstance should
anyone protest outside of someone's house. The person you're protesting against is not the only one who lives in that house and the neighborhood. Innocent people, especially kids and the elderly, should not be subjected to intimidation that has exactly nothing to do with them.
Protest the workplace. Leave others out of it.
(05-12-2022, 12:12 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2022, 10:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It was.
Hey what do we think about folks protesting outside the judges' homes?
Under no circumstance should anyone protest outside of someone's house. The person you're protesting against is not the only one who lives in that house and the neighborhood. Innocent people, especially kids and the elderly, should not be subjected to intimidation that has exactly nothing to do with them.
Protest the workplace. Leave others out of it.
I agree it's a crappy thing to do.
But I don't think it should be illegal.
Should walking through the Capitol building be illegal? After the police say you can come in?