(10-30-2022, 12:42 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:41 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]Defense has hold Denver to 14 points for 3 and a half quarters. Denver has punt 6 times. It's pretty good. Not their fault if our offense was inable to score.
Exactly, not only that, look at the field position our offense got the ball back
Denver has arguably one of the best defenses in the NFL. They also have one of the worst OFFENSES.
The Jags gave up key scoring drives when Denver's poor offense shouldn't have been able to drive down the field.
I'm not excusing Trevor's interceptions. What I AM saying, is that even if Trevor put up 27 points, Denver would have been behind with time left and the Jags defense wouldn't have stopped them from scoring the go ahead TD or FG.
The defense doesn't have an impact player that can place his stamp on the game in key moments. And since they play so much man, and so little zone I'm putting a lot of the blame on the defensive coordinator for not making key in game adjustments.
(10-30-2022, 12:33 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone blaming Trevor and the offense and not the defense is a complete moron
The defense was definitely an issue but Trevor shares a ton of blame as well. He literally was the difference in the final score today.
(10-30-2022, 12:40 PM)Roshambo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:36 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]We have a bye next week thank God I need a break
No we don’t our bye isn’t for another 2 weeks. We have raiders then chiefs then Bye week
Damn.
(10-30-2022, 12:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:34 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Please stop, I wanted to defend him so bad. I wanted a generational face to this team that could finally bring Jax to relevance. He’s not it, and it becomes obvious every week.
I've been a big defender of Lawrence and I still think he has talent and potential but he needs to start showing hes taking those steps. He has his good moments in a game and he has his bad but I just want to see him put it all together for a game and make the right reads and execution and limit the mistakes.
I still have faith in him getting there but the clock is ticking and NFL QB's don't get too long to prove they are the guy.
He has exactly 8 more games to prove his worth. If he doesn't win at least half of those games, his future is questionable.
(10-30-2022, 12:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Back in the day when I was young I'm not a kid anymore, but some days I wish I was at Clemson again.
I remember way back when!
(10-30-2022, 12:39 PM)jrvegeeta Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:22 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Please just stop. 17 points from a top overall pick
No, YOU stop. There’s no excuses for letting a team that has struggled to pass the ball get go down the field like that.
Granted, this last INT is on Trevor and he’s going to do what every young QB eventually learns to do: take what the D gives you. He’s trying too hard to be a hero when it isn’t required of him (yet).
However, the fact remains the offense shouldn’t have to go back out there to bail the defense out, ESPECIALLY against a poor Denver offense.
Stop putting the blame on one person when everyone has a hand in this lose.
This isn’t about overall blame. The whole team loses.
This is about the fact that the Jaguars have yet again drafted a bust at QB, with no help on the way. We are about to set a record for futility with the draft.
Do you realize how damaging this will be to the franchise? This isn’t sustainable. I’m not trying to be a sky is falling person but if Trevor isn’t it, and the franchise rebuilds again, watch the support for this team evaporate. Which will only increase the likelihood of this team moving.
(10-30-2022, 12:37 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:36 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is to blame, but I don't get why everyone isn't complaining about the defense not making stops when they should. I mean, there was an entire drive where the defense failed to cover Denver's tight end.
And I won't mention how poorly the linebackers and secondary tackle anyone that isn't under 5'10".
holding a team to 21 in the modern NFL is a win for a defense. That is reality. Only scoring 17 in the modern nfl is an embarrassment with how the rules are set up. It is the offense that loses us games, defense has been "good enough" to win, can't say the same for TL and the O.
The Broncos have the worst Offense in the league and they just cooked our Defense and made it look easy. They also have arguably the best Defense in the league as well. Their Offense this year isn't modern, it stinks bad. They've struggled to score all season until today.
Trevor [BLEEP] us again with the red zone INT.
Defense performed as expected.
Playcalling was balanced.
ETN exceeded expectations.
Trevor played below expectations.
(10-30-2022, 12:47 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]I've been a big defender of Lawrence and I still think he has talent and potential but he needs to start showing hes taking those steps. He has his good moments in a game and he has his bad but I just want to see him put it all together for a game and make the right reads and execution and limit the mistakes.
I still have faith in him getting there but the clock is ticking and NFL QB's don't get too long to prove they are the guy.
He has exactly 8 more games to prove his worth. If he doesn't win at least half of those games, his future is questionable.
It's really not though lol. Hes got at least another 1 1/2 seasons to prove his worth.
(10-30-2022, 12:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Defense performed as expected.
Playcalling was balanced.
ETN exceeded expectations.
Trevor played below expectations.
With all the high draft picks...no way the defense should be expected to be this poor when the chips are down. No fricken' way.
Denver has a great set of corners. Trevor needs to be better, but this is a good defense he was going against.
The Broncos have a much worse attack than the Jaguars. Well, unless they have to play our back seven.
(10-30-2022, 12:51 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:37 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]holding a team to 21 in the modern NFL is a win for a defense. That is reality. Only scoring 17 in the modern nfl is an embarrassment with how the rules are set up. It is the offense that loses us games, defense has been "good enough" to win, can't say the same for TL and the O.
The Broncos have the worst Offense in the league and they just cooked our Defense and made it look easy. They also have arguably the best Defense in the league as well. Their Offense this year isn't modern, it stinks bad. They've struggled to score all season until today.
Trevor [BLEEP] us again with the red zone INT.
21 points is cooked? Hm, I think we don't see eye to eye. I bet you are a well done kinda guy, you have to be to think 21 is cooking a defense in 2022. I'm not fully excusing our defense, but you have to put up more than 17 to expect to win.
(10-30-2022, 12:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:47 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]He has exactly 8 more games to prove his worth. If he doesn't win at least half of those games, his future is questionable.
It's really not though lol. Hes got at least another 1 1/2 seasons to prove his worth.
If that happens we are truly screwed
(10-30-2022, 12:58 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's really not though lol. Hes got at least another 1 1/2 seasons to prove his worth.
If that happens we are truly screwed
Have we ever been not screwed? We are perpetually screwed. We'll never become unscrewed.
(10-30-2022, 12:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:47 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]He has exactly 8 more games to prove his worth. If he doesn't win at least half of those games, his future is questionable.
It's really not though lol. Hes got at least another 1 1/2 seasons to prove his worth.
If we go winless the rest of the season with him contributing to the losses like he did today, I don’t see how he’s starting again next season.
We just screw the pooch every week. In position to win games (refreshing change), find ways to lose those games (hurtful). We lose in the same fashion too which is getting old quick. Etienne gives us a good chance to be balanced at least.
(10-30-2022, 12:37 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:36 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is to blame, but I don't get why everyone isn't complaining about the defense not making stops when they should. I mean, there was an entire drive where the defense failed to cover Denver's tight end.
And I won't mention how poorly the linebackers and secondary tackle anyone that isn't under 5'10".
holding a team to 21 in the modern NFL is a win for a defense. That is reality. Only scoring 17 in the modern nfl is an embarrassment with how the rules are set up. It is the offense that loses us games, defense has been "good enough" to win, can't say the same for TL and the O.
Stop looking at the numbers and look at the actual game. You don’t let receivers get that wide open constantly in critical situations like this. Honestly, we might be better off running zone defense because we just don’t have the type of CBs to run man-to-man that much.
At the same time, Doug needs to sit down with Trevor and have a talk with him about trying to force plays. He did not have to throw that ball the way he did near the endzone. Doug has to emphasize that it’s OKAY to throw it away when nothing’s there. Yes, I expect Trevor to make mistakes because he’s young, but he needs to make sure he isn’t doing these kinds of things in year 3 and 4.
Here is the truth.
We have 3 first round picks on D. There is $100+m. There is no pass rush. There is no coverage. There is no run defence.
Trevor is a disaster. Worse than Blake ever was. He constantly makes the wrong decision, and when he throws, it’s generally overthrown. Unlike Allen, or Jackson I just can’t see anything within our games which suggests that he will turn it around. The decision making in particular is abysmal
(10-30-2022, 12:58 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's really not though lol. Hes got at least another 1 1/2 seasons to prove his worth.
If we go winless the rest of the season with him contributing to the losses like he did today, I don’t see how he’s starting again next season.
That's just the thing, he won't go winless, he'll get enough wins to keep this "Do we take a QB again?" question going for another season at least now. Almost like QB purgatory.
The Colts QB did the same thing to us that Russell did. Matt got benched the very next game for being BLEEP.
It's one thing for the defense to be bad. This defense is bad against bad offenses. People are saying holding the Broncos to 20 points is doing it's job.
NO. This Broncos team in no way should have scored more than 10 points. Russel Wilson is horrible this year.