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Let’s see how the season shakes out. As of now, I think Baalke has shown more promise than any of our recent GMs.

(12-28-2022, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 09:09 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Trent gives me that corn vote.

Corn is becoming a popular choice, and understandably so given the uncertainty surrounding the topic. 

Still waiting on a brave soul to align with the unconventional wisdom of a J-Dub/Snowie/JungleCat amalgamation. 
It requires an open mind.

I was tempted to vote for the jdub/snowie option just because I love that it made the poll.  So many classic options though.  I didn’t want to be the one to screw up the poll.  

I’m still on the fence with Baalke.  Call me pessimistic, but I still don’t quite trust the guy yet.

Baalke has given us hope.

What about the kicker? Yes its just the kicker, but remember when the kicker was big problem in the offseason? Well, Patterson just won AFC ST player of the week and he is a good find.

I just think the Baalke hate is a product of groupthink. You have bits and pieces of info from San Fran and a lot of blanks filled in with speculative conclusions. That’s the hill some are planting their flag of anger and hate toward the man on. And no, this isn’t directed at cooler heads that are just not sold yet which is a reasonable take to have.

It’s fair to criticize his drafts in San Fran, but I don’t know how you get to anger and hate from just that. People learn and get better at their jobs. He’s done well enough here to buy himself some time and he didn’t deserve what some in this fan base directed at him last year and into this year. I’ve said it before, but the clown out did more to ensure Baalke was retained than not. Congratulations I guess.

I get the feeling that Jed York was/is a douche and probably more to blame than anyone for how the 49ers situation unfolded and he’d have a greater ability to control the narrative in the local media there if anyone did. That said, I know better than to take that feeling and run with it as fact given I wasn’t in the building.

(12-28-2022, 10:34 AM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]What about the kicker? Yes its just the kicker, but remember when the kicker was big problem in the offseason? Well, Patterson just won AFC ST player of the week and he is a good find.

Yes. We have a new kicker this year. 
He is a better place kicker than Matthew Wright was in 2021. 
Credit to Baalke yet again.
I'll add that to the OP.

7 out of 10
You cant deny he found some talent on this run we are having, and he helped rope in Pederson. But man our cap is busted.

(12-28-2022, 09:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Voted 91%, because I love Publix.

In reality, probably a 7 of 10 right now, depending on how they deal with this offseason and survive a tight cap may make that rating go up. That's really his first true test of his skill and ingenuity.

I was in line at Publix waiting to pay for my groceries when I was inspired to post this topic. 
Fell 91% confident it was a good idea.

(12-27-2022, 11:26 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Wait until you see the roster next year with all the cap issues.

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This is something I'm concerned with too. The defense has a lot of money tied up in it and is not a particularly outstanding unit. He's got some work to do there while looking towards eventually signing Lawrence to a megadeal. I gave him a 6 but probably more of an incomplete at this point.

(12-28-2022, 11:14 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2022, 11:26 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Wait until you see the roster next year with all the cap issues.

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This is something I'm concerned with too. The defense has a lot of money tied up in it and is not a particularly outstanding unit. He's got some work to do there while looking towards eventually signing Lawrence to a megadeal. I gave him a 6 but probably more of an incomplete at this point.

I don't think we have real cap issues.  We are over the cap as it is, but the cap will go up, a high priced veteran or two will be released, and new contracts will be written for the guys we want to keep with a minimal cap hit in the first year.

(12-28-2022, 11:09 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 10:34 AM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]What about the kicker? Yes its just the kicker, but remember when the kicker was big problem in the offseason? Well, Patterson just won AFC ST player of the week and he is a good find.

Yes. We have a new kicker this year. 
He is a better place kicker than Matthew Wright was in 2021. 
Credit to Baalke yet again.
I'll add that to the OP.

Wright was better last year (87%) than Patterson is this year (81%). Patterson was a bit better last year but on many fewer attempts (91%, 13/14) since the loins were trash and he got to kick indoors. Wright is a bit lesser this year (83%) but he's switched teams after week 3 leaving KC and now kicking in notoriously tough squealers stadium. This change is pretty much a wash statistically and was actually risky since Wright was pretty good while Patterson was mostly untested.

Compared to a few years ago, the Jaguars are much worse off since they basically lead the league in available money. However, things are not looking so bad on that front for next season. The team is currently estimated to be about $17 million over the cap. Cutting Griffin and Chaissen pretty much make up that amount. The toughest decision will be whether to let Robertson-Harris go. If they did, that would add about an $8 million cushion to sign which would easily cover the rookie signings. Evan Engram is the only free agent who will cost a lot, however that can be managed.

For the team to have expectations of going deep into the playoffs next season, Baalke must have a good draft. A quality pass rusher, nickel corner and offensive lineman must be added during the first 2 days of the draft. Walker and Lloyd must show typical growth expected of a 2nd year player. Even if Walker is moved to defensive end, Baalke will likely need to find less expensive replacements for Robertson-Harris, Smoot and Arden Key. Thankfully, Baalke has added several key free agents who should keep the team rolling. Kirk, Zay Jones, Schereff, Oluakon, Fatukasi and Darious Williams have for the most part met the team's expectations. It took Williams a while since he was played out of position. I do expect Fatukasi to improve significantly next season as he was a disappointment.

I gave Baalke an 8/10 due mostly to the free agents he has signed. He may not be a warm and fuzzy guy whom everybody loves, but he seems to work well with Pederson and must get some credit for the team's great improvement this season.

(12-28-2022, 11:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 11:14 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]This is something I'm concerned with too. The defense has a lot of money tied up in it and is not a particularly outstanding unit. He's got some work to do there while looking towards eventually signing Lawrence to a megadeal. I gave him a 6 but probably more of an incomplete at this point.

I don't think we have real cap issues.  We are over the cap as it is, but the cap will go up, a high priced veteran or two will be released, and new contracts will be written for the guys we want to keep with a minimal cap hit in the first year.

We are fine. A couple of the leftover Caldwell free agents will be gone and we have a couple guys we can restructure if they want to do so. Shaq Griffin alone saves us like $13 million when we cut him. Cam has a $16 million dollar salary next season, that could be converted to a longer deal if they can come to terms. There's ways forward that don't involve tearing down the roster.

I am just glad we are spending to the cap now.

(12-28-2022, 01:10 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I am just glad we are spending to the cap now.

Instead of getting bargain basement Goodwill players?

Where everything is a quarter on Wednesday?

(12-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I just think the Baalke hate is a product of groupthink.  You have bits and pieces of info from San Fran and a lot of blanks filled in with speculative conclusions.  That’s the hill some are planting their flag of anger and hate toward the man on.  And no, this isn’t directed at cooler heads that are just not sold yet which is a reasonable take to have.

It’s fair to criticize his drafts in San Fran, but I don’t know how you get to anger and hate from just that.  People learn and get better at their jobs.  He’s done well enough here to buy himself some time and he didn’t deserve what some in this fan base directed at him last year and into this year.  I’ve said it before, but the clown out did more to ensure Baalke was retained than not.  Congratulations I guess.

I get the feeling that Jed York was/is a douche and probably more to blame than anyone for how the 49ers situation unfolded and he’d have a greater ability to control the narrative in the local media there if anyone did.  That said, I know better than to take that feeling and run with it as fact given I wasn’t in the building.

That last paragraph is a drum I've been beating for a while. Jed was a turd during Harbaugh's tenure, and I have a feeling he was forcing a lot of the moves that went on in the aftermath. While Baalke did do what he did while he was there, I've been willing to see if he's learned or grown from his time there (and here) to be a better leader. Skeptics are justified to remain skeptical, but I have yet to see the man act as filthy as some portray him to be.

(12-28-2022, 02:56 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I just think the Baalke hate is a product of groupthink.  You have bits and pieces of info from San Fran and a lot of blanks filled in with speculative conclusions.  That’s the hill some are planting their flag of anger and hate toward the man on.  And no, this isn’t directed at cooler heads that are just not sold yet which is a reasonable take to have.

It’s fair to criticize his drafts in San Fran, but I don’t know how you get to anger and hate from just that.  People learn and get better at their jobs.  He’s done well enough here to buy himself some time and he didn’t deserve what some in this fan base directed at him last year and into this year.  I’ve said it before, but the clown out did more to ensure Baalke was retained than not.  Congratulations I guess.

I get the feeling that Jed York was/is a douche and probably more to blame than anyone for how the 49ers situation unfolded and he’d have a greater ability to control the narrative in the local media there if anyone did.  That said, I know better than to take that feeling and run with it as fact given I wasn’t in the building.

That last paragraph is a drum I've been beating for a while. Jed was a turd during Harbaugh's tenure, and I have a feeling he was forcing a lot of the moves that went on in the aftermath. While Baalke did do what he did while he was there, I've been willing to see if he's learned or grown from his time there (and here) to be a better leader. Skeptics are justified to remain skeptical, but I have yet to see the man act as filthy as some portray him to be.

The Tomsula hire specifically feels like Jed made that decision to me.  I remember thinking at the time he was announced that this’ll be a one and done situation.  I think Jed either missed out on his guy that year or didn’t like the candidate pool and punted to the following year knowing he was gonna clean house.  Baalke gets full blame for that around here though.  I just can’t imagine Baalke actually wanted to hire Tomsula given where he was in his tenure there at that point.

(12-28-2022, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 09:09 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Trent gives me that corn vote.

Corn is becoming a popular choice, and understandably so given the uncertainty surrounding the topic. 

Still waiting on a brave soul to align with the unconventional wisdom of a J-Dub/Snowie/JungleCat amalgamation. 
It requires an open mind.

Well, it's getting pretty damn popular now.  Way to channel your inner Bjorn.  I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have used the term "disinformation" though.

(12-28-2022, 04:15 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Corn is becoming a popular choice, and understandably so given the uncertainty surrounding the topic. 

Still waiting on a brave soul to align with the unconventional wisdom of a J-Dub/Snowie/JungleCat amalgamation. 
It requires an open mind.

Well, it's getting pretty damn popular now.  Way to channel your inner Bjorn.  I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have used the term "disinformation" though.

Wasn't "corn" scarecrow's thing? (Speaking of folks who are sorely missed around here)

(12-28-2022, 05:41 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2022, 04:15 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it's getting pretty damn popular now.  Way to channel your inner Bjorn.  I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have used the term "disinformation" though.

Wasn't "corn" scarecrow's thing? (Speaking of folks who are sorely missed around here)

That sounds right. LOL.

And no one can out-Bjorn the Bjorn. My attempts are feeble at best. 

I remember blank #2 had been around a bit before I joined, but corn popped up in the early years of my membership. 
Somewhere out there lies dormant a corn vs blank #2 poll and thread IIRC. 

Lots of great humor back then.