(01-17-2023, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 03:34 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is they better blitz contain Mahome boy
Fixed
I challenge you to google search the words "Best NFL QB vs blitz"
Your screen will fill the the words Patrick Mahomes.
116 passer rating vs the blitz BTW
This. If you're blitzing him. You have to disguise the hell out of it, give him an easy look that you hope he tries to hot read all the way, then, you have to hope you can execute it and then even when you get him you have to hold your breath and hope he doesn't slip away and make a routine, backyard football play on you.
Just stick to zone. Contain the edge. Hope for the best and only blitz when you're confident you have it. That's why it's best they run it on offense and just keep his [BLEEP] off the field. Can't score from the bench.
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So... For you guys who are better at the x's and o's than myself ... If we can't contain him, and we can't blitz him what are the options ...
Or are we down to kicking him in the nuts at the bottom of the pile when the refs aren't looking!
(01-17-2023, 12:12 PM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]So... For you guys who are better at the x's and o's than myself ... If we can't contain him, and we can't blitz him what are the options ...
Or are we down to kicking him in the nuts at the bottom of the pile when the refs aren't looking!
You contain him as much as you can muster.
Kicking him in the nuts is also a viable option.
The real answer is to assign a safety, nickel back, or LB to spy the QB. (based on which player doesn't have to man up a receiver or TE in the given formation)
Do this on obvious passing downs at the least and you have a better shot at containing him on the scrambles and disrupting improvised passes on the run.
(01-17-2023, 12:12 PM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]So... For you guys who are better at the x's and o's than myself ... If we can't contain him, and we can't blitz him what are the options ...
Or are we down to kicking him in the nuts at the bottom of the pile when the refs aren't looking!
Damage control. You have to mix up your coverages and flip flop last second. Again, do some Robber Zone stuff with Cisco and Jenkins. That resulted in some big hits and a pick.
They're also going to need to steal a possession or two. We landed an onside kick in the last game against them. Did nothing with it.
You also might need to give him some easy looks and instead of rushing him heavily, drop back and volleyball the pass away or bat it down.
The running game on offense needs to takeover. I want to see Pistol, Power, Twin TE sets and heavy sets in general in this one on our offense. Keep Mahomes on the bench. Bleed the clock dry on every snap.
Dont get into a shootout with these guys until you have absolutely no choice in the 4th quarter. It's going to be fun. A real chess match here. Just have to, again, keep him in front of you and pick and choose your battles.
You're not stopping them outright. You can only mitigate the damage. Here's what needs to be said though. Granted, Hill is no longer there. But, Caldwell was a coach with Bowles back in that Tampa Superbowl win over Kansas City.
That's something Caldwell could look at foundation wise to try and see where he could match up his personnel to effect Mahomes and Kelce. Make them work hard for the easy stuff. Fool them into thinking the hard stuff is actually easy and there for the taking.
Cisco, Campbell, Oloukon and Allen are the keys to victory here. If anyone of those guys falters? It'll be a long day defensively. All four of them have to be on their A games. Or we lose. Cannot get beat over the middle. Cannot give up big plays. Cannot lose containment. Falls chiefly on those four guys IMHO.
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Win or lose, this game will be the true gauge of just how much this team has grown and expose the weaknesses. You can bet Baalke will be taking notes.
(01-17-2023, 09:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]If we win this game though? Good God. You think the media hype is scary NOW? They'll be talking Superbowl bound right after the final second and whistle is heard. Doesn't matter if we play the Bengals or Bills. They'll look at us differently and expect us to win it all.
Could you [BLEEP] imagine what might happen next? A possible Jacksonville Vs. Philadelphia match-up? Doug Pederson duking it out against his old team and having a chance to shove their decision right back up their [BLEEP]? On the biggest stage?
Would be great.
Hoping to see it.
(01-17-2023, 10:31 AM)reroka Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 08:55 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Welcome! Not sure if you're a member fo the cheifsplanet board, but I was browsing it yesterday and you've got some really, really nasty people over there. And to echo ypur sentiments I also hope that it's a good game and no injuries to anyone.
I agree with you, there are some really toxic people there. I am a member but I am one of the non-toxic level-headed people.
The Arrowhead message board has more civil fans, that's for sure.
(01-17-2023, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023, 03:34 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is they better blitz contain Mahome boy
Fixed
I challenge you to google search the words "Best NFL QB vs blitz"
Your screen will fill the the words Patrick Mahomes.
116 passer rating vs the blitz BTW
Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
(01-17-2023, 12:35 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed
I challenge you to google search the words "Best NFL QB vs blitz"
Your screen will fill the the words Patrick Mahomes.
116 passer rating vs the blitz BTW
Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
He has literally proven over and over again that no one has been able to do that.
At all.
More so than any NFL quarterback.
I don't think the strategy here should be "but what if we actually do it"
(01-17-2023, 01:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 12:35 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
He has literally proven over and over again that no one has been able to do that.
At all.
More so than any NFL quarterback.
I don't think the strategy here should be "but what if we actually do it"
Agreed. Keep it simple. Keep it all in front of you. He's going to make plays. Just try to make his efforts difficult. The key really is containing him in the pocket with your base four and playing sound defense with the zone schemes but you're going to have to mix it up from time to time and play man to man.
When they go the man to man route. I know the temptation will be to send the blitz after him. I wouldn't do it. I would run different stunts with the front four. Mix in some different looks where maybe Walker is stacked up right over the guard or center's shoulder but I am moving Key into a position to where he can hold containment with Allen opposite of him.
The other key is shifting coverage last second. Give him a look. Time his snap but they need to be rotating around the middle of the field with Cisco and Jenkins in a Robber role. You cannot make it too easy for him. Give him the illusion that the hard stuff is there and easy and make the actual easy stuff hard on them.
Bait and switch. All day. They're going to go underneath, work the outside boundaries, try to knife us early in between the seams but if you just sit down in your zone, don't get too cute looking into the backfield and just do your job and keep him in front of you? You can limit the amount of damage he's going to do.
We got schooled in the match up defensively. They had an ungodly amount of blown coverages. Cisco probably won't be able to get away with those enforcing hits like he did the last time in this one. Going to be fun to watch. I just hope Mike Caldwell calls the game of his life defensively.
(01-17-2023, 12:35 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed
I challenge you to google search the words "Best NFL QB vs blitz"
Your screen will fill the the words Patrick Mahomes.
116 passer rating vs the blitz BTW
Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
What you should have said was "If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, we will be the first team to do it."
I know you think when people compliment the Chiefs or reference how good they are, its "slobbering over them" but they're just facts. The Chiefs have only lost 3 games all year and 2 of those losses were to the Bills and Bengals. I would love nothing more than to have the Jags upset the Chiefs on Sunday but they are going to need a lot to go right in order to do it.
(01-17-2023, 10:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Holy cow. It’s just football, guys. Have a beer, get laid, relax a little.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost...stcount=36
I hope we go up there and shred the Chiefs so hard those "fans" will need years of therapy to get past the post traumatic stress.
Dumb mouse breeders.
Chiefs 31
Jaguars 24
Refs 17
(01-17-2023, 01:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 12:35 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
He has literally proven over and over again that no one has been able to do that.
At all.
More so than any NFL quarterback.
I don't think the strategy here should be "but what if we actually do it"
We are going to have to get home with our front 4/5. Only blitz very sparingly.
Head pick: 35-27 Chiefs
Heart pick: 33-30 Jags
(01-17-2023, 02:32 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Chiefs 31
Jaguars 24
Refs 17
Or.....
Chiefs 14 + refs 17 = 31
Jaguars 24
(01-17-2023, 02:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023, 12:35 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Because of his escapibility. If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, that rating drops considerably.
What you should have said was "If we can actually bring him down with the blitz, we will be the first team to do it."
I know you think when people compliment the Chiefs or reference how good they are, its "slobbering over them" but they're just facts. The Chiefs have only lost 3 games all year and 2 of those losses were to the Bills and Bengals. I would love nothing more than to have the Jags upset the Chiefs on Sunday but they are going to need a lot to go right in order to do it.
Fair enough. My slobbering comment was more about the Godlike position some people put Reid in. I like Reid. He seems like a great guy and is obviously a great coach with a long history. But he's beatable.
Who won a SB first, Reid or Pedersen? Who's our coach again?
I think we can win the coaching battle as well.
Interesting replies, NYC and Caldrac, always enjoy reading the technical opinions on the board so thanks for taking the time...
Jagwired i would also have taken a 'banana in the tailpipe' as a correct answer there haha ... (Wee Eddie Murphy reference for posters of a certain vintage)
Arrowhead is one of the hardest places to win in the NFL. If Lawrence can find a way to win this ball game….man. I can’t put into words what it would do for the city of Jax.
I want a Super Bowl this year. It would put DougyP in the hall of fame discussion.
(01-17-2023, 05:11 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Arrowhead is one of the hardest places to win in the NFL. If Lawrence can find a way to win this ball game….man. I can’t put into words what it would do for the city of Jax.
I want a Super Bowl this year. It would put DougyP in the hall of fame discussion.
If he did win it all i think I'm right in saying Doug'd be the only head coach to win the super bowl with two different teams ... Surely he be as good as in