Etn all day baby. I would hate to be a fan of the other team watching etn work my defense.
(04-12-2023, 05:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]ETN at 25 was a steal. Taking a rb early in the first like fournette is where its a problem to me.
I shouldn't nitpick. I'm just happy ETN is clearly not a bust considering the last 20 years of Jaguar drafts. If two-thirds of a team's 1st rounders become above average starters, we're talking playoff contention year in and year out. The previous GMs drafted all manner of underachieving busts. Punch me in my virtual face if I become like a spoiled New England fan during the Brady era. I'm going to enjoy riding the Trevor train as long as it lasts.
(04-11-2023, 07:42 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2023, 05:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I'd worry about longevity in the draft. You only get those guys for 5 years before you have to pay them like free agents.
He's got a good point. I'd rather have Barmore + a serviceable back than ETN + Fatukasi, because that would give the Jags flexibility to sign an edge rusher, extend Engram, etc. ETN has already missed a year of time.
The longevity argument cuts the other way too. You can find DTs with 5 good years left in free agency. They cost a lot but they are available every year. You usually can't find RBs with 5 good years left in free agency, so it's more critical to find one in the draft.
Is it the draft yet? Time is creeeeeeeeeeping lol
(04-12-2023, 11:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2023, 07:42 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]He's got a good point. I'd rather have Barmore + a serviceable back than ETN + Fatukasi, because that would give the Jags flexibility to sign an edge rusher, extend Engram, etc. ETN has already missed a year of time.
The longevity argument cuts the other way too. You can find DTs with 5 good years left in free agency. They cost a lot but they are available every year. You usually can't find RBs with 5 good years left in free agency, so it's more critical to find one in the draft.
The Chiefs drafted their star running back in the 7th round last year, 2 rounds after we drafted our second RB in two seasons. We've spent a 1st, a 5th, and two 6ths for what will likely be the equivalent amount of production after the coming year.
And yes, we signed Fatukasi to a ridiculously huge deal when we could be paying Barmore on a rookie one.
(04-13-2023, 03:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2023, 11:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The longevity argument cuts the other way too. You can find DTs with 5 good years left in free agency. They cost a lot but they are available every year. You usually can't find RBs with 5 good years left in free agency, so it's more critical to find one in the draft.
The Chiefs drafted their star running back in the 7th round last year, 2 rounds after we drafted our second RB in two seasons. We've spent a 1st, a 5th, and two 6ths for what will likely be the equivalent amount of production after the coming year.
And yes, we signed Fatukasi to a ridiculously huge deal when we could be paying Barmore on a rookie one.
The chiefs drafted a RB in the 1st rd the year before we drafted ETN.
On top of that, ETN put up better numbers than their former 1st rd pick and their "star" RB combined.
(04-13-2023, 08:39 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2023, 03:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The Chiefs drafted their star running back in the 7th round last year, 2 rounds after we drafted our second RB in two seasons. We've spent a 1st, a 5th, and two 6ths for what will likely be the equivalent amount of production after the coming year.
And yes, we signed Fatukasi to a ridiculously huge deal when we could be paying Barmore on a rookie one.
The chiefs drafted a RB in the 1st rd the year before we drafted ETN.
On top of that, ETN put up better numbers than their former 1st rd pick and their "star" RB combined.
Also, the Chiefs' o-line is better than ours. Imagine what healthy ETN could do behind that line.
(04-13-2023, 09:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2023, 08:39 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]The chiefs drafted a RB in the 1st rd the year before we drafted ETN.
On top of that, ETN put up better numbers than their former 1st rd pick and their "star" RB combined.
Also, the Chiefs' o-line is better than ours. Imagine what healthy ETN could do behind that line.
Would of likely led the league in rushing
(04-13-2023, 03:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2023, 11:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The longevity argument cuts the other way too. You can find DTs with 5 good years left in free agency. They cost a lot but they are available every year. You usually can't find RBs with 5 good years left in free agency, so it's more critical to find one in the draft.
The Chiefs drafted their star running back in the 7th round last year, 2 rounds after we drafted our second RB in two seasons. We've spent a 1st, a 5th, and two 6ths for what will likely be the equivalent amount of production after the coming year.
And yes, we signed Fatukasi to a ridiculously huge deal when we could be paying Barmore on a rookie one.
Yall gonna ride that barmore bandwagon til it collapses i stg.
(04-13-2023, 09:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2023, 08:39 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]The chiefs drafted a RB in the 1st rd the year before we drafted ETN.
On top of that, ETN put up better numbers than their former 1st rd pick and their "star" RB combined.
Also, the Chiefs' o-line is better than ours. Imagine what healthy ETN could do behind that line.
Wait...you mean the best team in the League drafted running backs AFTER they were already winning Suoer Bowls and had really good players in the more important positions?
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(04-14-2023, 06:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2023, 09:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Also, the Chiefs' o-line is better than ours. Imagine what healthy ETN could do behind that line.
Wait...you mean the best team in the League drafted running backs AFTER they were already winning Suoer Bowls and had really good players in the more important positions?
If you're losing an argument, change the topic so you sound like you're winning again.
(04-14-2023, 08:12 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2023, 06:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...you mean the best team in the League drafted running backs AFTER they were already winning Suoer Bowls and had really good players in the more important positions?
If you're losing an argument, change the topic so you sound like you're winning again.
My position hasn't changed a bit. Running Back in the 1st is the correct play in very, very few situations. Taking one in the 1st the same year you have the #1 overall pick because you're terrible isn't one of them. The Chiefs took CEH in the year after they won the Super Bowl, not the year they were picking first. They could afford to make that pick because they were in a position of luxury. The fact remains that RBs are a bad pick in the 1st in almost every OTHER situation.
If you are monitoring our effort to sign a rotational pass rusher from the remaining FA crop, this is a guy who played about 65% of the snaps in 11 games for the tacks - and what he is getting:
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1646...51520?s=20
17 pressures and 4 sacks during those 11 games ^
(04-14-2023, 10:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2023, 08:12 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]If you're losing an argument, change the topic so you sound like you're winning again.
He's used to that lol
Lol, you can't identify a cogent argument no matter how many times I smack you in the forehead with it.
(04-14-2023, 10:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you are monitoring our effort to sign a rotational pass rusher from the remaining FA crop, this is a guy who played about 65% of the snaps in 11 games for the tacks - and what he is getting:
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1646...51520?s=20
17 pressures and 4 sacks during those 11 games ^
Wouldn't that be good news for us? It would make the market value of the remaining veteran pass rushers seem somewhat affordable.
(04-14-2023, 10:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2023, 10:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you are monitoring our effort to sign a rotational pass rusher from the remaining FA crop, this is a guy who played about 65% of the snaps in 11 games for the tacks - and what he is getting:
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1646...51520?s=20
17 pressures and 4 sacks during those 11 games ^
Wouldn't that be good news for us? It would make the market value of the remaining veteran pass rushers seem somewhat affordable.
Conceivably.
Depends on how the missed games are factored.
(04-14-2023, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2023, 10:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He's used to that lol
Lol, you can't identify a cogent argument no matter how many times I smack you in the forehead with it.
I've smashed pretty much every single one I've had with you. As have most others
(04-14-2023, 10:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you are monitoring our effort to sign a rotational pass rusher from the remaining FA crop, this is a guy who played about 65% of the snaps in 11 games for the tacks - and what he is getting:
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1646...51520?s=20
17 pressures and 4 sacks during those 11 games ^
I don't know what Dupree's contract situation was with the tacks, but pretty much their entire message board wanted him gone due to them claiming he was washed.
(04-14-2023, 11:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2023, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, you can't identify a cogent argument no matter how many times I smack you in the forehead with it.
I've smashed pretty much every single one I've had with you. As have most others
If by smashed you mean you end up in a drunken stupor babbling to yourself in South Podunk then sure, smashed it is.