(09-11-2023, 10:25 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Wth is a diaper dime
one that makes you soil yourself? For us outside of our teenage years, maybe it's more appropriate to call it a depends dime
(09-11-2023, 10:47 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]The fault ultimately lies with Bigsby because he had the ball, but I don't think it's getting enough mention that a bunch of the players on both teams also thought the play was over including our entire offensive line. At the time of the ball being hit out, three of our five lineman aren't even looking in the direction of the ball anymore. They are just standing around with two looking towards the sideline and one appears to be looking in the direction of the end zone for some reason. Harrison and Fortner who were initially running towards the ball had switched to a casual walk. When the ball is knocked out of Bigby's hands, Harrison even continues to look in the direction of Bigsby and doesn't even turn his head to follow the ball. They all thought the play was over until Colts players started running towards the ball.
What appears to have happened is Kwity Paye of the Colts, who was rushing the passer, thought it was a pass. He runs to the ball to try to catch it. However, it hits the ground before he can get there. The second it hits the grounds, he slows up. In his mind, it's an incomplete pass and thinks the play is over. He then comes to a stop right in front of Bigsby and makes no attempt to tackle him. He doesn't want a personal foul. Bigbsy as well as another Colts player see this. As such, the Colts defensive player also stops and makes no attempt to tackle Bigsby. Bigsby makes no attempt to run because no one is trying to tackle him. They all assume the play is over. The other players on the field see this and most also quit playing. Buckner then hits the ball out and everyone started playing again. The bottom line is Bigsby made a mistake, but a lot of other players on the field made the same mistake.
I think everyone hit pause and almost expected the refs to whistle it dead. When there was no whistle, the clots LB wisely acted on the ballcarrier.
This will be film study for all players for a number of years. Perfect example of why you play to the whistle and the repercussions of failing to do so.
The only way the refs would have blown that ball dead is if Myles Jack had picked it up.
(09-11-2023, 10:57 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 04:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Well said.
True. However, even if Bigsby hypothetically did know and yelled at the top of his lungs "I'm giving myself up!!!!!!!", it wouldn't have mattered. To give yourself up, you need to either slide feet first, take a knee or voluntarily go to the ground. He did none of these things.
laughing at the notion of him waving for a fair catch on the one-hopper lol, not sure the refs wouldn't have been so off guard that everyone would be standing around scratchin their noggins
(09-11-2023, 10:47 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]The fault ultimately lies with Bigsby because he had the ball, but I don't think it's getting enough mention that a bunch of the players on both teams also thought the play was over including our entire offensive line. At the time of the ball being hit out, three of our five lineman aren't even looking in the direction of the ball anymore. They are just standing around with two looking towards the sideline and one appears to be looking in the direction of the end zone for some reason. Harrison and Fortner who were initially running towards the ball had switched to a casual walk. When the ball is knocked out of Bigby's hands, Harrison even continues to look in the direction of Bigsby and doesn't even turn his head to follow the ball. They all thought the play was over until Colts players started running towards the ball.
What appears to have happened is Kwity Paye of the Colts, who was rushing the passer, thought it was a pass. He runs to the ball to try to catch it. However, it hits the ground before he can get there. The second it hits the grounds, he slows up. In his mind, it's an incomplete pass and thinks the play is over. He then comes to a stop right in front of Bigsby and makes no attempt to tackle him. He doesn't want a personal foul. Bigbsy as well as another Colts player see this. As such, the Colts defensive player also stops and makes no attempt to tackle Bigsby. Bigsby makes no attempt to run because no one is trying to tackle him. They all assume the play is over. The other players on the field see this and most also quit playing. Buckner then hits the ball out and everyone started playing again. The bottom line is Bigsby made a mistake, but a lot of other players on the field made the same mistake.
This is my thing. Yes by the letter of the rule it was the correct call. And my bias is showing saying I think it should have been blown dead since literally everyone but Franklin stopped until the ball was out of Bigsby's hands again. If I were a Colts fan or if we did this to them for sure I'd be happy it wasn't blown dead.
It's 100% me being petty about it and I'll die on this hill I've constructed lol
0 carries vs Chiefs. 1010 Logs says you wanna reward players that are playing well and …..you don’t wanna punish players who don’t but.
Dempsey started talking over him about something else.
The fumble and dropped pass against Colts?
They also said something about a 4th round pick and D.Johnson..would it be worth it. Johnson had 1 carry for 8 yd
The young man is just starting out, he'll have growing pains ... No judgement here beyond gently suggesting if we're taking a short yardage back in the early rounds of the draft and can't find a use for him on 1st and 1 ... Well ... We're back to overthinking the qb sneak again!
I like Bigsby. I think he’ll be a good duo with ETN. But they need a hammer for a short yardage back. Draft one next year and say goodbye to Johnson or Hasty.
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(09-19-2023, 10:37 AM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]The young man is just starting out, he'll have growing pains ... No judgement here beyond gently suggesting if we're taking a short yardage back in the early rounds of the draft and can't find a use for him on 1st and 1 ... Well ... We're back to overthrowing the qb sneak again!
So you think a 4th is worth it ?
(09-19-2023, 10:17 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]0 carries vs Chiefs. 1010 Logs says you wanna reward players that are playing well and …..you don’t wanna punish players who don’t but.
Dempsey started talking over him about something else.
The fumble and dropped pass against Colts?
They also said something about a 4th round pick and D.Johnson..would it be worth it. Johnson had 1 carry for 8 yd
Wait, what?
Are we trying to trade a third round pick for a 4th round selection after 2 weeks?
ReallY??
nah
(09-19-2023, 10:43 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 10:37 AM)cat bells Wrote: [ -> ]The young man is just starting out, he'll have growing pains ... No judgement here beyond gently suggesting if we're taking a short yardage back in the early rounds of the draft and can't find a use for him on 1st and 1 ... Well ... We're back to overthrowing the qb sneak again!
So you think a 4th is worth it ?
Apologies you've lost me slightly... 4th? (I've also just noticed a typo in my original post, should have read overthinking instead of overthrowing which I have corrected)
I wouldn't trade him for a fourth round pick currently no if that's the question!
Neither would i have probably picked a power back in the third ... But given my lack of college knowledge that's neither here nor there!
I think Bigsby probably needs to be given a little time to acclimate and find his range and hopefully week on week he can do that and come good for us.
At the same time ... For me there are clearly some basic situations in which a player has to either do the job he's been brought in for ... Or in this specific situation given the opportunity to do the job he was brought in for. We've expended a reasonable amount of draft capital recently at running back (and in addition, whilst I'd rather Lawrence doesn't take unnecessary shots willy-nilly we do have a fairly mobile, decently sized quarterback which offers additional options) ... And yet we seems to have what amounts to an occasional recurring problem at short yardage situations!
We've had the two week debate about whether Lawrence can operate a qb sneak, Connor seems to be yesterday's man already, (understandably) it's clear they'd rather limit the amount of heavy contact ettiene takes, Bigsby was brought in presumably to add ballast in 1at and 1 situations ... So ... Circling back to my original point ...
Not being in the huddle it's impossible to know what calls are sent out there, how a player is physically or any of the other intangibles that affect a game ... But it appears from the bleachers at least that we have a tendency of overthinking, outsmarting ourselves or taking the difficult option when the simple will do, (call it what you will) at particualar moments in games!
There's a place for that, Pedersons won a sb doing it ... But there's also a place for saying 'we brought Bigbsy in to crash over from 1 yards out, so go and do it Tank' ... My original point was less about Bigsby's ultimate ability and more a commentary on the decision not to use him in the position for which we ultimately hand picked him.
(09-19-2023, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 10:17 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]0 carries vs Chiefs. 1010 Logs says you wanna reward players that are playing well and …..you don’t wanna punish players who don’t but.
Dempsey started talking over him about something else.
The fumble and dropped pass against Colts?
They also said something about a 4th round pick and D.Johnson..would it be worth it. Johnson had 1 carry for 8 yd
Wait, what?
Are we trying to trade a third round pick for a 4th round selection after 2 weeks?
ReallY??
nah
The 4th round pick was in reference to the possibility of moving D'Ernest Johnson back over to Cleveland due to the recently unfortunate injury that Chubb had last night. There's also the familiarity there.
Lageman said he would take it in a heartbeat. I agree with him. Johnson should be your 3rd string RB at best if you've invested a 3rd RD pick in Bigsby to begin with. You can also move Hasty up into the line-up now who already knows the offense from last year.
A 4th RD player in Lageman's opinion is a potential developmental starter. Makes sense.
(09-19-2023, 12:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, what?
Are we trying to trade a third round pick for a 4th round selection after 2 weeks?
ReallY??
nah
The 4th round pick was in reference to the possibility of moving D'Ernest Johnson back over to Cleveland due to the recently unfortunate injury that Chubb had last night. There's also the familiarity there.
Lageman said he would take it in a heartbeat. I agree with him. Johnson should be your 3rd string RB at best if you've invested a 3rd RD pick in Bigsby to begin with. You can also move Hasty up into the line-up now who already knows the offense from last year.
A 4th RD player in Lageman's opinion is a potential developmental starter. Makes sense.
Apologies JF24 ... I've just backtracked and picked up the stream of the thread ... It was merged just after i posted on the Bigsby thread so I hadn't read t'other bit!
I'm yet to see much of Johnson for us so take this with a large pinch of salt ... But I'd put it in the if it happens its not a bad return - if it doesn't he's a player we can use, category... and I'd not get tied up either way ... (And i appreciate that's a mighty large fence I'm sitting on)
Aalthough playing devils advocate it could be argued that swiftly trading a running back we've just brought in would be another sign that outside Ettienne we lack a clear vision for using the other players at the position!
(09-19-2023, 12:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, what?
Are we trying to trade a third round pick for a 4th round selection after 2 weeks?
ReallY??
nah
The 4th round pick was in reference to the possibility of moving D'Ernest Johnson back over to Cleveland due to the recently unfortunate injury that Chubb had last night. There's also the familiarity there.
Lageman said he would take it in a heartbeat. I agree with him. Johnson should be your 3rd string RB at best if you've invested a 3rd RD pick in Bigsby to begin with. You can also move Hasty up into the line-up now who already knows the offense from last year.
A 4th RD player in Lageman's opinion is a potential developmental starter. Makes sense.
Thanks
4th rounders are kind of the ultimate crap shoot in the draft.
Definitely can't rely on good probability of landing a quality player in the mid to late 4th.
(CLE will still win some games this year)
Is there actual talk of a trade like this? - or was it pure speculation from the 1010 crew?
I guess we'd be OK without Johnson, but I really like what he offers should ETN get banged up.
Gotta put "depth" on one side of the scale and "draft capital" on the other side and see where it comes to rest.
(09-19-2023, 12:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 12:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The 4th round pick was in reference to the possibility of moving D'Ernest Johnson back over to Cleveland due to the recently unfortunate injury that Chubb had last night. There's also the familiarity there.
Lageman said he would take it in a heartbeat. I agree with him. Johnson should be your 3rd string RB at best if you've invested a 3rd RD pick in Bigsby to begin with. You can also move Hasty up into the line-up now who already knows the offense from last year.
A 4th RD player in Lageman's opinion is a potential developmental starter. Makes sense.
Thanks
4th rounders are kind of the ultimate crap shoot in the draft.
Definitely can't rely on good probability of landing a quality player in the mid to late 4th.
(CLE will still win some games this year)
Is there actual talk of a trade like this? - or was it pure speculation from the 1010 crew?
I guess we'd be OK without Johnson, but I really like what he offers should ETN get banged up.
Gotta put "depth" on one side of the scale and "draft capital" on the other side and see where it comes to rest.
Speculative on their end.
I don't know why the Browns would burn a 4th rounder when they could just re-sign Kareem Hunt or maybe bring Lenny in for a look.
(09-19-2023, 03:41 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why the Browns would burn a 4th rounder when they could just re-sign Kareem Hunt or maybe bring Lenny in for a look.
They honestly played okay with Ford in the game. If they don't throw a pick six right off the bat or fumble it late in the game with a 3 PT lead they probably win it. Right now that division is pretty interesting.
Baltimore being the team to beat. Which is good for them and good on them. Jackson is actually playing up to his contract extension. Can't say the same for Burrow and Watson.