(09-11-2023, 09:38 AM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone willing to consider the colts look like they have a good front 7?
They have a much better look with Shaq (Darius) Leonard back in there than last year, and Gus really does know how to use those guys. They play fast and hard, that makes for a slugging match at times.
(09-11-2023, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 09:38 AM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone willing to consider the colts look like they have a good front 7?
They have a much better look with Shaq (Darius) Leonard back in there than last year, and Gus really does know how to use those guys. They play fast and hard, that makes for a slugging match at times.
For sure, they look to have a really good front. I think it made our IOL look a little worse than they really are as well.
(09-11-2023, 05:24 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 11:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The irony is that the OP said ETN should be getting at least 3 touches to every 1 touch Tank got, which is exactly what happened LOL.
ETN had 23 touches and Tank had 7. Why you complaining about something you wanted to see happen?
At the time the post was made it was 7 to 5.
Looks like Pederson saw this post and quickly changed the game plan
Look at Ridley's targets in the first and second halves.
Maybe we were trying to deploy some of our new toys in hopes that teams didn't have a lot of film on them yet? Maybe the strategy was to grind down the D and then let Etienne take advantage with fresher legs? Looks like that worked, whether it was the plan all along or not.
If Bigsby popped one of those early carries for 20 yards, of which he is certainly capable, I have a feeling we don't even have this thread.
(09-11-2023, 09:47 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They have a much better look with Shaq (Darius) Leonard back in there than last year, and Gus really does know how to use those guys. They play fast and hard, that makes for a slugging match at times.
For sure, they look to have a really good front. I think it made our IOL look a little worse than they really are as well.
I hope that's the case, they looked whipped yesterday.
I wanted him cut yesterday lol.
It was his first game we should let it pass. Hopefully he learned a lot yesterday.
(09-11-2023, 09:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 07:33 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I still think that "fumble" by Bigsby that led to the Buckner score should have been whistled dead. Literally everyone else on both teams stopped and he gave himself up. "An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended… when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance."
I honestly thought that was the purpose for the review, to see whether NY would intervene and declare that the play was dead. When in doubt, take a knee, I'd rather the impetus be on the player to declare the play over than for an overzealous ref to inadvertently whistle a play dead that might cost us a few yards.
I'm having flashbacks to Myles Jack being blown down.
I like they let these plays continue on and then figure out the rest. Bigsby will learn, but at the same time everyone but Franklin and Buckner considered the play over. It is what it is, we still won.
(09-11-2023, 09:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 08:13 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]What were the other ones
Only mistake was the tipped ball INT. The "fumble" was crap and should have been blown dead. If that's a rookie mistake by Bigsby, then everyone on the field except Franklin and Buckner made a rookie mistake on that play.
I'd reverse that. The fumble was assuming the refs would intervene, either that the pass was an incomplete one-hopper or that it was a fumble he recovered and was not attempting to advance. Take the knee or turtle up on the ground and take all doubt out of the sequence.
The Int was flukey, not like the ball hit him in the chest or he slapped the ball way up in the air for some jump ball play. DB just happened to be in the perfect place for the ball to end up in his hands.
(09-11-2023, 09:47 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They have a much better look with Shaq (Darius) Leonard back in there than last year, and Gus really does know how to use those guys. They play fast and hard, that makes for a slugging match at times.
For sure, they look to have a really good front. I think it made our IOL look a little worse than they really are as well.
I think our IOL is capable of making a lot of Dlines look impressive, but yes, indy had a capable front.
(09-11-2023, 07:54 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 07:33 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I still think that "fumble" by Bigsby that led to the Buckner score should have been whistled dead. Literally everyone else on both teams stopped and he gave himself up. "An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended… when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance."
That was my thought as well. Why you should never rely on that, a strict reading of the rule would’ve blown to play dead when he was clearly just standing there, lackadaisically holding the ball.
Here ya go, since we can't seem to leave this alone, see link. Ref's made the correct call yesterday. (I am still a Tank fan, also an Auburn grad)
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...y-contact/
(09-11-2023, 10:24 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 07:54 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]That was my thought as well. Why you should never rely on that, a strict reading of the rule would’ve blown to play dead when he was clearly just standing there, lackadaisically holding the ball.
Here ya go, since we can't seem to leave this alone, see link. Ref's made the correct call yesterday. (I am still a Tank fan, also an Auburn grad)
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...y-contact/
It was the correct call and it was obviously the correct call when it was upheld. He absolutely never gave himself up and I don't see why people don't understand that. I knew the call would be upheld before they ever announced it as did everyone watching with me at my house.
Sorry to be a broken record , but -
For those concerned about the stuffed runs yesterday in Indy - please look no further than the Jags OL.
PFF run block grades from Sunday's games have the Jags ranked 30th in the league after one game.
(09-11-2023, 04:05 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 10:24 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Here ya go, since we can't seem to leave this alone, see link. Ref's made the correct call yesterday. (I am still a Tank fan, also an Auburn grad)
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...y-contact/
It was the correct call and it was obviously the correct call when it was upheld. He absolutely never gave himself up and I don't see why people don't understand that. I knew the call would be upheld before they ever announced it as did everyone watching with me at my house.
Exactly. Being unaware that the play is still live =/= giving oneself up.
(09-11-2023, 04:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to be a broken record , but -
For those concerned about the stuffed runs yesterday in Indy - please look no further than the Jags OL.
PFF run block grades from Sunday's games have the Jags ranked 30th in the league after one game.
Amazing how that works...
McManus said Bradley runs that annoying cover 2, keep everything in front of you type of defense. Trevor was dot’n em up tho.
That TD pass he threw to Ridley was a diaper dime.
The fault ultimately lies with Bigsby because he had the ball, but I don't think it's getting enough mention that a bunch of the players on both teams also thought the play was over including our entire offensive line. At the time of the ball being hit out, three of our five lineman aren't even looking in the direction of the ball anymore. They are just standing around with two looking towards the sideline and one appears to be looking in the direction of the end zone for some reason. Harrison and Fortner who were initially running towards the ball had switched to a casual walk. When the ball is knocked out of Bigby's hands, Harrison even continues to look in the direction of Bigsby and doesn't even turn his head to follow the ball. They all thought the play was over until Colts players started running towards the ball.
What appears to have happened is Kwity Paye of the Colts, who was rushing the passer, thought it was a pass. He runs to the ball to try to catch it. However, it hits the ground before he can get there. The second it hits the grounds, he slows up. In his mind, it's an incomplete pass and thinks the play is over. He then comes to a stop right in front of Bigsby and makes no attempt to tackle him. He doesn't want a personal foul. Bigbsy as well as another Colts player see this. As such, the Colts defensive player also stops and makes no attempt to tackle Bigsby. Bigsby makes no attempt to run because no one is trying to tackle him. They all assume the play is over. The other players on the field see this and most also quit playing. Buckner then hits the ball out and everyone started playing again. The bottom line is Bigsby made a mistake, but a lot of other players on the field made the same mistake.
(09-11-2023, 04:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2023, 04:18 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. Being unaware that the play is still live =/= giving oneself up.
Well said.
True. However, even if Bigsby hypothetically did know and yelled at the top of his lungs "I'm giving myself up!!!!!!!", it wouldn't have mattered. To give yourself up, you need to either slide feet first, take a knee or voluntarily go to the ground. He did none of these things.
(09-11-2023, 10:47 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]The fault ultimately lies with Bigsby because he had the ball, but I don't think it's getting enough mention that a bunch of the players on both teams also thought the play was over including our entire offensive line. At the time of the ball being hit out, three of our five lineman aren't even looking in the direction of the ball anymore. They are just standing around with two looking towards the sideline and one appears to be looking in the direction of the end zone for some reason. Harrison and Fortner who were initially running towards the ball had switched to a casual walk. When the ball is knocked out of Bigby's hands, Harrison even continues to look in the direction of Bigsby and doesn't even turn his head to follow the ball. They all thought the play was over until Colts players started running towards the ball.
What appears to have happened is Kwity Paye of the Colts, who was rushing the passer, thought it was a pass. He runs to the ball to try to catch it. However, it hits the ground before he can get there. The second it hits the grounds, he slows up. In his mind, it's an incomplete pass and thinks the play is over. He then comes to a stop right in front of Bigsby and makes no attempt to tackle him. He doesn't want a personal foul. Bigbsy as well as another Colts player see this. As such, the Colts defensive player also stops and makes no attempt to tackle Bigsby. Bigsby makes no attempt to run because no one is trying to tackle him. They all assume the play is over. The other players on the field see this and most also quit playing. Buckner then hits the ball out and everyone started playing again. The bottom line is Bigsby made a mistake, but a lot of other players on the field made the same mistake.
Everybody thought the play was dead besides one dude who made the heads up play. Buckner was the one who picked up the ball and ran it back for the TD. It was actually LB Zaire Franklin who had the heads up play to punch the ball out of Bigsby's hands.
Bigsby isn't at blame here, it was simply a great heads up play by Franklin and nothing more. As you said, everybody else stopped and reacted like the play was dead besides him. He was all over the field on Sunday as well. Had 18 tackles, 1 PD and that FF.
Learning the hard way with the ball security and playing through a whistle.