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(01-14-2024, 02:48 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]Eric1 is a lawrence apologetic. Waste of time talking to a homer like that

Hehe, I would say it's a waste of time trying to get Lawrence apologists to change their mind.  I just wanted to see how far he would go in explaining a near perfect performance, when Stroud had put up 236 yards and 3 TDs in the first half of the game...then sat on the bench most of the second half (2 defensive TDs, 1 more TD drive, before being sat behind Davis Mills.)

(01-14-2024, 09:53 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for the praise everyone.

Stroud had some awful games throughout year they were able to overcome that could have easily gone the other way, but because they are a better coached team, they overcame them.

My eye test tells me there is a very good chance of a sophomore slump headed to Houston. He is turnover prone and had a lot of 50 50 situations go his way. Time will tell.

Turnover prone? He had 5 interceptions...for the year.  He did luck out on a few 50/50 situations, but so do the other NFL QBs.  My predictions for next year would exceed 5 interceptions, but I bet his ratio stays about the same...unless the Texans improve our running game  enough to divert his TDs to running plays.

(01-14-2024, 11:53 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 02:48 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]Eric1 is a lawrence apologetic. Waste of time talking to a homer like that

Hehe, I would say it's a waste of time trying to get Lawrence apologists to change their mind.  I just wanted to see how far he would go in explaining a near perfect performance, when Stroud had put up 236 yards and 3 TDs in the first half of the game...then sat on the bench most of the second half (2 defensive TDs, 1 more TD drive, before being sat behind Davis Mills.)

(01-14-2024, 09:53 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for the praise everyone.

Stroud had some awful games throughout year they were able to overcome that could have easily gone the other way, but because they are a better coached team, they overcame them.

My eye test tells me there is a very good chance of a sophomore slump headed to Houston. He is turnover prone and had a lot of 50 50 situations go his way. Time will tell.

Turnover prone? He had 5 interceptions...for the year.  He did luck out on a few 50/50 situations, but so do the other NFL QBs.  My predictions for next year would exceed 5 interceptions, but I bet his ratio stays about the same...unless the Texans improve our running game  enough to divert his TDs to running plays.

I think he had 8 fumbles.

(01-14-2024, 12:01 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 11:53 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Hehe, I would say it's a waste of time trying to get Lawrence apologists to change their mind.  I just wanted to see how far he would go in explaining a near perfect performance, when Stroud had put up 236 yards and 3 TDs in the first half of the game...then sat on the bench most of the second half (2 defensive TDs, 1 more TD drive, before being sat behind Davis Mills.)



Turnover prone? He had 5 interceptions...for the year.  He did luck out on a few 50/50 situations, but so do the other NFL QBs.  My predictions for next year would exceed 5 interceptions, but I bet his ratio stays about the same...unless the Texans improve our running game  enough to divert his TDs to running plays.

I think he had 8 fumbles.

Trevor has had 12 10 and 11 fumbles in each of his first 3 seasons.

(01-14-2024, 12:01 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 11:53 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Hehe, I would say it's a waste of time trying to get Lawrence apologists to change their mind.  I just wanted to see how far he would go in explaining a near perfect performance, when Stroud had put up 236 yards and 3 TDs in the first half of the game...then sat on the bench most of the second half (2 defensive TDs, 1 more TD drive, before being sat behind Davis Mills.)



Turnover prone? He had 5 interceptions...for the year.  He did luck out on a few 50/50 situations, but so do the other NFL QBs.  My predictions for next year would exceed 5 interceptions, but I bet his ratio stays about the same...unless the Texans improve our running game  enough to divert his TDs to running plays.

I think he had 8 fumbles.

Yep, but only lost 4. So as it stands 26 TDs, 9 turnovers (Ints + Lost fumbles,) pretty impressive,  particularly when you've played most of the season with a banged up Oline.

(01-14-2024, 01:42 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 12:01 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think he had 8 fumbles.

Yep, but only lost 4. So as it stands 26 TDs, 9 turnovers (Ints + Lost fumbles,) pretty impressive,  particularly when you've played most of the season with a banned up Oline.

You are not allowed to say bad oline in a Jaguars forums,.... WE swear we have the worst oline and other teams do not compare. 

In fact it is just a lazy take that these members on here tell themselves.

We are just going to ignore Panthers practice squad oline & tennessee oline that has no stars there.

(01-14-2024, 02:52 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-13-2024, 11:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Over half of his throws were 5 yards, or less of the LoS... It's called YAC.

Its called intermediate throwing - you know like Tom Bradys bread and butter? Those throws are actually harder to complete than big throws across the field.

But hey, what do we know? Let Eric1 tell us how a good QB like Trevor is and how CJ is so beneath him.

False. The majority of his throws were dink and dunks that let his playmakers run for YAC. Easy completions and great play design.

The big TD down field was the definition of good route running and great play design. All CJ had to do was throw it to a wide open spot on the field. The play design made it so that whole back quarter of the field was completely empty. The TE sold it with a good route and made for an easy pitch and catch.

Interesting chart. Are you aware that a CPOE of 9.1% is an amazingly high number? It measures a QBs accuracy over expected accuracy given the type of throw/field position/whether the QB is under pressure or hit/etc.

Good job, CJ. You're even beating down next-gen stats. 

https://x.com/reinhardNFL/status/1361359...22149?s=20

Some fans are grasping at straws to try to ignore Stroud’s remarkable rookie season. We need to get Trevor what needs to win, but ignore stroud at your own peril.

(01-14-2024, 07:51 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Some fans are grasping at straws to try to ignore Stroud’s remarkable rookie season. We need to get Trevor what needs to win, but ignore stroud at your own peril.

Fan, singular.

To deny he’s a really good player is ludicrous at this point.  The only reason to have any trepidation as to how good he’ll be is to see how he follows it up.  I see no reason he shouldn’t be just as good next year.  Texans got really lucky that the Panthers are stupid.

(01-14-2024, 07:55 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:51 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Some fans are grasping at straws to try to ignore Stroud’s remarkable rookie season. We need to get Trevor what needs to win, but ignore stroud at your own peril.

Fan, singular.

To deny he’s a really good player is ludicrous at this point.  The only reason to have any trepidation as to how good he’ll be is to see how he follows it up.  I see no reason he shouldn’t be just as good next year.  Texans got really lucky that the Panthers are stupid.

Naw he definitely had a really good season, but I think there's a whole lot of hype that'll come back down to reality. Especially if/when his OC leaves for a HC job.

(01-14-2024, 06:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 02:52 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]Its called intermediate throwing - you know like Tom Bradys bread and butter? Those throws are actually harder to complete than big throws across the field.

But hey, what do we know? Let Eric1 tell us how a good QB like Trevor is and how CJ is so beneath him.

False. The majority of his throws were dink and dunks that let his playmakers run for YAC. Easy completions and great play design.

The big TD down field was the definition of good route running and great play design. All CJ had to do was throw it to a wide open spot on the field. The play design made it so that whole back quarter of the field was completely empty. The TE sold it with a good route and made for an easy pitch and catch.

This chart proves exactly what I said. Congralution on being a clueless moron, eric1.

(01-14-2024, 08:21 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 06:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]False. The majority of his throws were dink and dunks that let his playmakers run for YAC. Easy completions and great play design.

The big TD down field was the definition of good route running and great play design. All CJ had to do was throw it to a wide open spot on the field. The play design made it so that whole back quarter of the field was completely empty. The TE sold it with a good route and made for an easy pitch and catch.

This chart proves exactly what I said. Congralution on being a clueless moron, eric1.

When the majority of your throws are within 5 yards or less of the LoS, that isn't intermediate throwing you [BLEEP] dip [BLEEP]. He had 3 passes in the intermediate area of the field. 2 of which were incomplete.

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(01-14-2024, 06:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The big TD down field was the definition of good route running and great play design. All CJ had to do was throw it to a wide open spot on the field. The play design made it so that whole back quarter of the field was completely empty. The TE sold it with a good route and made for an easy pitch and catch.

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You're killing me Eric.  Maybe it's Stroud's accuracy that makes you think that was an "easy pitch and catch."  He's rolling outside the pocket to his right, then throws a monster of a pass to a TE that's cutting away from him on the left side of the field.  Watch this vid, and how the football hits the TE in stride, directly into his hands.  That's nearly a 50 yard down field pass, and add 15 to cover the angle.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Kw9YHgf1z-0?s...ogsc_5ZByp

WAIT WAIT WAIT! Before you come up with some cockamamie reply, with some random non-sensical stat/take, I want you to take a breath, and pretend that was Trevor Lawrence throwing that ball. See the difference, that's called BIAS.

U guys got a good qb on your hands

Looking forward to competitive games in the divison over the next few years

May we all strive towards a common goal of beating the living daylights out of the tacks

(01-14-2024, 11:43 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]U guys got a good qb on your hands

Looking forward to competitive games in the divison over the next few years

May we all strive towards a common goal of beating the living daylights out of the tacks

Add the Colts as well, and you've got a deal!

Good golly O Molly. Anyone who is arguing that CJ Stroud isnt playing like an elite QB RIGHT NOW is either willingly blind, willingly ignorant, or needs his/her eyes examined.

Imagine if he'd had his full starting o line healthy for most of the year and had Tank Dell for a full season.

(01-14-2024, 08:33 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:21 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]This chart proves exactly what I said. Congralution on being a clueless moron, eric1.

When the majority of your throws are within 5 yards or less of the LoS, that isn't intermediate throwing you [BLEEP] dip [BLEEP]. He had 3 passes in the intermediate area of the field. 2 of which were incomplete.

Why does it matter? Tom Brady was the goat by throwing short/efficient passing and only really taking shots when he had to/was open. He wasn't like Tua and tossing bombs 24/7 for his touchdowns. His offenses were methodical and boring, that is a sign of a truly elite offense.. Not the oos and aahs like Miami did this year, it's a boom and bust system. A truly elite offense lines up and runs the same simple crap each week and executes even when the defense 100% knows what is coming. Part of being a really good QB is knowing when that underneath pass is going to net you extra yardage vs throwing a guy a hospital ball over the middle, for example.

Well the Ravens defense and Lamar's legs were too much for the Texans, but it was a great start for the first year of the rebuild. We've got our Head Coach and our new QB. The biggest offensive issue is a lack of a running game to keep defenses honest. Defense needs some additional pass rushers, particularly from the interior defensive line. I'll trust Caserio to use our huge cap to bring in the right FAs, and hopefully have another successful draft like 2023.

(01-16-2024, 02:46 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:33 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]When the majority of your throws are within 5 yards or less of the LoS, that isn't intermediate throwing you [BLEEP] dip [BLEEP]. He had 3 passes in the intermediate area of the field. 2 of which were incomplete.

Why does it matter? Tom Brady was the goat by throwing short/efficient passing and only really taking shots when he had to/was open. He wasn't like Tua and tossing bombs 24/7 for his touchdowns. His offenses were methodical and boring, that is a sign of a truly elite offense.. Not the oos and aahs like Miami did this year, it's a boom and bust system. A truly elite offense lines up and runs the same simple crap each week and executes even when the defense 100% knows what is coming. Part of being a really good QB is knowing when that underneath pass is going to net you extra yardage vs throwing a guy a hospital ball over the middle, for example.

I would agree with this. Being surgical and taking short passes is fine if it works. Stroud dials up deeper shots too. He isn’t a check down king. The reason the short stuff is open is he can buy a lot of time in the pocket to throw downfield too, so defenses have to respect it.