(11-14-2023, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:09 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't give a [BLEEP]. He's been non existent this year due to injury. It is what it is. Next [BLEEP] man up. We need to see why Elijah Cooks, the only undrafted player that made the final roster when we selected a total of thirteen players back in April, is on this football team.
The failures on offense this year cannot be chalked up to Zay Jones' absence. I am sorry. It's just not a good enough excuse. Period. You traded for Ridley. You signed Kirk. You extended Engram. You have Agnew. You have Etienne. You have Johnson.
You have a [BLEEP] Superbowl winning head coach that called his offense and had levels of success that most people will never come close to. Get it together...
You also have PEDRob, T@G, Weakness, Dinged Up, and injured Rookie holding all those guys back.
Right. So, time to earn your weight in gold as a coaching staff, no?
Nobody wants to hear that [BLEEP], man. You know that. There's plenty of other teams out there right now hovering around .500 or staying just above it with similar issues or deficiencies.
They're either depleted in the trenches and figuring it out with their skill position group or they're depleted at the skill position group and relying on their trenches to get it done.
According to this article, we're the 20th worst ranked offensive line in the NFL.
2023 NFL Midseason Offensive Line Rankings (the33rdteam.com)
Raiders are 5 - 5 now and 2nd in the AFC West. Broncos just upset the Bills last night. Steelers are 6 - 3. Commanders have the leauge's leading passer in yardage. Saints are 5 - 5 and leading the NFC South.
All of those teams above have lesser ranked offensive lines than we do. So, again, figure it the hell out. We have just as much, if not, better skill position groups and a better offensive staff than some of those teams do. Along with a QB that's supposed to be "him" as the kids say these days.
So, let's [BLEEP] go.
(11-14-2023, 09:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You also have PEDRob, T@G, Weakness, Dinged Up, and injured Rookie holding all those guys back.
Right. So, time to earn your weight in gold as a coaching staff, no?
Nobody wants to hear that [BLEEP], man. You know that. There's plenty of other teams out there right now hovering around .500 or staying just above it with similar issues or deficiencies.
They're either depleted in the trenches and figuring it out with their skill position group or they're depleted at the skill position group and relying on their trenches to get it done.
According to this article, we're the 20th worst ranked offensive line in the NFL.
2023 NFL Midseason Offensive Line Rankings (the33rdteam.com)
Raiders are 5 - 5 now and 2nd in the AFC West. Broncos just upset the Bills last night. Steelers are 6 - 3. Commanders have the leauge's leading passer in yardage. Saints are 5 - 5 and leading the NFC South.
All of those teams above have lesser ranked offensive lines than we do. So, again, figure it the hell out. We have just as much, if not, better skill position groups and a better offensive staff than some of those teams do. Along with a QB that's supposed to be "him" as the kids say these days.
So, let's [BLEEP] go.
I just hope Trevor and ETN survive the season and we get them some help for next year.
(11-14-2023, 09:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Right. So, time to earn your weight in gold as a coaching staff, no?
Nobody wants to hear that [BLEEP], man. You know that. There's plenty of other teams out there right now hovering around .500 or staying just above it with similar issues or deficiencies.
They're either depleted in the trenches and figuring it out with their skill position group or they're depleted at the skill position group and relying on their trenches to get it done.
According to this article, we're the 20th worst ranked offensive line in the NFL.
2023 NFL Midseason Offensive Line Rankings (the33rdteam.com)
Raiders are 5 - 5 now and 2nd in the AFC West. Broncos just upset the Bills last night. Steelers are 6 - 3. Commanders have the leauge's leading passer in yardage. Saints are 5 - 5 and leading the NFC South.
All of those teams above have lesser ranked offensive lines than we do. So, again, figure it the hell out. We have just as much, if not, better skill position groups and a better offensive staff than some of those teams do. Along with a QB that's supposed to be "him" as the kids say these days.
So, let's [BLEEP] go.
I just hope Trevor and ETN survive the season and we get them some help for next year.
They can. If the staff starts trying to protect them more with additional layers of blockers and adequate rotational efforts being made with Johnson, and, *gulp* Bigsby. LOL.
It is what it is man. I didn't expect a magical, deep play-off run with us blasting every opponent on the schedule this year. It's just been a bit of a mind [BLEEP] with how lack luster the offense has been and how good the defense has been.
You have to take in the bad with the good, and, sometimes ugly. It very well may come down to using Strange and Farrell as additional blockers to help out in pass protection and it might be something we need to do the majority of the time while also getting crafty and taking some chances here and there with the usual stuff they try to run conceptually.
By all accounts, from what's been shared here with articles, etc. As bad as the line has been, there's also been some problems with creativity and getting the most out of your investment made in Ridley. Lack of motion, lack of moving things around and trying to get a defense to move off it's block or get a little uncomfortable out there.
We'll see. It's the midway point. Eight games left. Either Doug continues to trust Press and this group of players to "execute" offensively or he'll snap out of it and start cooking again as the play caller. Some guys just don't know how to call a good offense in spite of issues. Some guys don't have a good feel or sense of the game at times.
Doug's past is starting to catch up to him. Hope he learns from it this weekend instead of after the damage is done. We can stop the bleeding now.
(11-14-2023, 09:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You also have PEDRob, T@G, Weakness, Dinged Up, and injured Rookie holding all those guys back.
Right. So, time to earn your weight in gold as a coaching staff, no?
Nobody wants to hear that [BLEEP], man. You know that. There's plenty of other teams out there right now hovering around .500 or staying just above it with similar issues or deficiencies.
They're either depleted in the trenches and figuring it out with their skill position group or they're depleted at the skill position group and relying on their trenches to get it done.
According to this article, we're the 20th worst ranked offensive line in the NFL.
2023 NFL Midseason Offensive Line Rankings (the33rdteam.com)
Raiders are 5 - 5 now and 2nd in the AFC West. Broncos just upset the Bills last night. Steelers are 6 - 3. Commanders have the leauge's leading passer in yardage. Saints are 5 - 5 and leading the NFC South.
All of those teams above have lesser ranked offensive lines than we do. So, again, figure it the hell out. We have just as much, if not, better skill position groups and a better offensive staff than some of those teams do. Along with a QB that's supposed to be "him" as the kids say these days.
So, let's [BLEEP] go.
They literally have Ezra listed as the starter at LG but I'm sure they are totally accurate about our line and put in a ton of effort for that list.
(11-14-2023, 09:58 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Right. So, time to earn your weight in gold as a coaching staff, no?
Nobody wants to hear that [BLEEP], man. You know that. There's plenty of other teams out there right now hovering around .500 or staying just above it with similar issues or deficiencies.
They're either depleted in the trenches and figuring it out with their skill position group or they're depleted at the skill position group and relying on their trenches to get it done.
According to this article, we're the 20th worst ranked offensive line in the NFL.
2023 NFL Midseason Offensive Line Rankings (the33rdteam.com)
Raiders are 5 - 5 now and 2nd in the AFC West. Broncos just upset the Bills last night. Steelers are 6 - 3. Commanders have the leauge's leading passer in yardage. Saints are 5 - 5 and leading the NFC South.
All of those teams above have lesser ranked offensive lines than we do. So, again, figure it the hell out. We have just as much, if not, better skill position groups and a better offensive staff than some of those teams do. Along with a QB that's supposed to be "him" as the kids say these days.
So, let's [BLEEP] go.
They literally have Ezra listed as the starter at LG but I'm sure they are totally accurate about our line and put in a ton of effort for that list.
They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
(11-14-2023, 10:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:58 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]They literally have Ezra listed as the starter at LG but I'm sure they are totally accurate about our line and put in a ton of effort for that list.
They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
(11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
Again, we're coming back full circle. We're not playing the 49ers and Chiefs every Sunday, we're clear on that. We're fortunate that is not the case. Hell, the other 30 teams are fortunate that is not the case.
I am fully aware of how our team has played through nine games. I am fully aware of how they overcome their said issues. So, again, coming back full circle. As you said, it eventually catches up.
It did this past Sunday. Now, teams are going to try and copy cat that, it's up to Doug now to think ahead of that, plan for that and get around all of that. Zay Jones being absent for this long with nobody else hitting the endzone consistently is a concern.
I put that on the staff. Again, where is the personnel management? Where is the change up's? Where is the tendency breakers or palate cleansers? Outside of that goofy gimmicky [BLEEP] they run with Kirk and Agnew while taking the football out of Trevor's hands?
This staff can do better. Excuses are not going to get you far in this league.
Hey, it could have been worse. Just think if we had gone into the bye 2-6. He might have been mad enough to attempt murder.
(11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
Exactly. Lawrence was the second best QB from week 9 on with the 31st ranked line last year. I honestly don't think Ezra alone will move our line up 12 spots to the 12th rank line. The problem I see right now is Fortner is out matched and allowing pressure up the middle and the tackles can't hold the edge. So instead of stepping up into the pocket Lawrence has to run left or right which is why he runs directly into sacks. Harrison needs to learn from the bench from Little, Ezra needs to start and Fortner needs to start practicing how to ask if they want fris with that.
(11-14-2023, 10:24 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, it could have been worse. Just think if we had gone into the bye 2-6. He might have been mad enough to attempt murder.
This. We're 6 - 3. There's a degree of competency on this staff and roster. It's just that time of the year now at the half way point where teams begin to ascend into their respective play-off seeding or descend into the decaying pit of misery.
We can fix some of these issues if the staff works really hard at it and comes to terms with certain aspects and areas of the team. Need to start changing it up to move the needle more offensively.
(11-14-2023, 10:35 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
Exactly. Lawrence was the second best QB from week 9 on with the 31st ranked line last year. I honestly don't think Ezra alone will move our line up 12 spots to the 12th rank line. The problem I see right now is Fortner is out matched and allowing pressure up the middle and the tackles can't hold the edge. So instead of stepping up into the pocket Lawrence has to run left or right which is why he runs directly into sacks. Harrison needs to learn from the bench from Little, Ezra needs to start and Fortner needs to start practicing how to ask if they want fris with that.
All the more reason why this coaching staff needs to deliberately incorporate more and practice more with designed rollouts, sprints and bootlegs to the left or right.
Said it yesterday. If the line cannot hold the rush? Let the man flush. Need that as a mantra on here. The same way the defensive staff keeps preaching and harping on turnovers.
This offense can do a lot more with getting him flushed out of the pocket by design instead of letting it happen with no rhyme or reason to make up for it.
More motion with Engram working underneath. More stacking up on one side with layered routes to read through faster. They can still do some of the things they have been doing through these nine games. They just need to incorporate a little bit more looks and options out there to keep a defense honest.
The 49ers were dialed in and teeing off on everything we did on Sunday. It seemed like we had absolutely no answer or back-up alternatives to what they were presenting on the field.
I think it's not good to make assumptions with limited facts, but the charge did have a phrase of "causing bodily harm" in it from what I saw on the local channel's
website. Not good.
Firstly, hopefully everyone involved is ok. Secondly, whenever he recovers from his injury he most likely will be facing a suspension. Wonder if we'll see him again this season?
With Ridley being more or less held in check, it's time to start seeing more of Tim Jones and Elijah Cooks. Neither are burners but they have good hands and have shown some ability to be physical receivers.
(11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
It's extremely disingenuous to blame only the offensive line. Our interior is all sorts of bad, don't get me wrong. It's pull your hair out level frustrating watching them whiff over and over.
That said, we are far from the only team with a bad line, and many of those other teams are getting production. Our playcalling is also extremely suspect. Our WRs are not creating separation. And our QB is regressing back into bad habits in an effort to compensate.
Our coaches need to figure this out. This offense is anemic and has been all season despite tremendous talent. We traded for a guard at the deadline and then started an OT at G.
I legitimately do not fathom coming off a bye at home and losing 34-3. The team was flat and entirely unprepared, and there's plenty of blame to go around.
If we come out and thwack the Titans, it's gonna be forgotten, but man this week still has a stink on it.
(11-14-2023, 11:35 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
It's extremely disingenuous to blame only the offensive line. Our interior is all sorts of bad, don't get me wrong. It's pull your hair out level frustrating watching them whiff over and over.
That said, we are far from the only team with a bad line, and many of those other teams are getting production. Our playcalling is also extremely suspect. Our WRs are not creating separation. And our QB is regressing back into bad habits in an effort to compensate.
Our coaches need to figure this out. This offense is anemic and has been all season despite tremendous talent. We traded for a guard at the deadline and then started an OT at G.
I legitimately do not fathom coming off a bye at home and losing 34-3. The team was flat and entirely unprepared, and there's plenty of blame to go around.
If we come out and thwack the Titans, it's gonna be forgotten, but man this week still has a stink on it.
People keep saying this.
I get the concept. It is sound reasoning at face value.
But our line REALLY IS worse than those others you are comparing it to.
Trevor is the most pressured QB in the league when the ball is in his hand beyond 2.5 seconds.
Mina Kimes posted the stat yesterday and it totally resonates with what I've been watching the past year and a half.
When this team doesn't face premier defensive talent, they can mitigate that horrible line play just enough to function to win.
Now we've seen what the current OL looks like against a high end pass rush.
Yes, Trevor needs to develop his decisions under pressure, yes he has gotten rattled by the hits and his clock is sped up.
Kind of hard to teach him how to transcend that when is happening at the worst rate in the league for him though.
(11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned the trade for him at the deadline, giving him an opportunity to rest with that injury and learning the system. They think the rankings would go up in our favor with him inserted in at LG, and, based on Little's performance against the 49ers with a whopping 10 career snaps at that position? Are they wrong?
I put more stock in these people than I would anybody else. If this offensive line is as bad as people paint it out to be? It should be 32nd overall and we're on par with the Giants and Panthers right now record wise. We're not though. So, again, figure it the [BLEEP] out is all I am saying.
You can only get away with so many excuses before people start getting tired of it. These folks get paid thousands of dollars a week, millions of dollars a year to figure out how to win match-up's, get stronger weekly, work around areas of weaknesses, exploit opponents weaknesses, etc.
We're 6 - 3 at the end of the day. How bad can it be really? What are we missing here?
What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
My man, the oline has been bad, but our QB hasn't elevated [BLEEP]. He is not some superstar who elevates everyone's play. It has been the opposite thus far, he needs the world around him in perfect harmony to get going. The bad has been more prevalent than the good with Trevor this season. It's starting to become a concern. It is certainly fixable but you can't seriously sit here and say week 11 2023 you aren't worried about his regression. He is starting to stare guys down and this past game his mechanics are now suffering... It's not good, this past Sunday should concern you, bad O line or not. There are other QBs in the NFL right now dealing with mid/bad o lines and still producing. The Texans line, while better than our own, are no world beaters, and CJ Stroud seems to be doing just fine. The Commander's o line is down right awful, yet Sam Howell has played well minus 1 game. If they had a defense they'd easily be 6-4. Eventually the excuses need to stop for Trevor, at some point he needs to actually elevate the team, or we need to admit he needs help and isn't the elite superstar we'd hoped for. We can call this year the sophomore slump, since we mulligan'd out his rookie year due to the Urban disaster. Next year is do or die for Trev imo.
(11-14-2023, 12:07 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s on tmz.
What? Zay's arrest/altercation? Really bad timing for him btw... What a complete mess of a week.. [BLEEP]!
(11-14-2023, 10:47 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's not good to make assumptions with limited facts, but the charge did have a phrase of "causing bodily harm" in it from what I saw on the local channel's website. Not good.
Firstly, hopefully everyone involved is ok. Secondly, whenever he recovers from his injury he most likely will be facing a suspension. Wonder if we'll see him again this season?
With Ridley being more or less held in check, it's time to start seeing more of Tim Jones and Elijah Cooks. Neither are burners but they have good hands and have shown some ability to be physical receivers.
Your statement about making assumptions is totally correct. We can all speculate, but only the two (or3) people involved know what actually happened. At this point, my primary concern is for Zay Jones due to his history of depression. If I was to speculate, the knee injury and inability to play triggered a recurrence of this mental health issue resulting in the alleged episode he was arrested for. Total speculation on my part. Until other information comes out, this is what I choose to believe and am currently most concerned for his well-being. Zay had apparently turned his life around after leaving Buffalo and attributed this to his faith. Anyone who has seen this guy interviewed during the past year or heard about the respect he has earned from his current teammates would find it difficult to believe that Zay is a bad guy. I make no assumptions about the female involved for the obvious reasons, but naturally I hope she was not hurt badly in the incident.
There are no bigger Jaguars fans than I. While the current team has obvious weaknesses and concerns, ultimately winning a Super Bowl due to Trevor Lawrence is something I still expect to happen at least once during this decade. Right now, however, my primary concern is for the well-being of Zay Jones. Football is a distraction we all love and count on, but what is happening to Zay is much bigger than that. For those of you who don't know Zay's history, I encourage you to read the article on "Go Long" by Tyler Dunne. Great article which provides tremendous insight into his life.
(11-14-2023, 12:06 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 10:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What you're missing is how [BLEEP] good our QB, RB, and Defense have played to overcome that. Sure, the Board is full of jokers who can't see that, but it's the simple fact that the QB is repeatedly outplaying his line, elevating them if you will, ETN is doing terrific with almost no help, and the defense is keeping them in games with terrific play and turnovers. The first 8 games might just be about the best this team can be with the huge issue on the line. When we play Chris Jones or the 49ers it just become apparent that what works the other times isn't good enough. And, in the spirit of this thread, Zay Jones has 8 catches and 2 of them are for Touchdowns, losing that production over the season hurts.
My man, the oline has been bad, but our QB hasn't elevated [BLEEP]. He is not some superstar who elevates everyone's play. It has been the opposite thus far, he needs the world around him in perfect harmony to get going. The bad has been more prevalent than the good with Trevor this season. It's starting to become a concern. It is certainly fixable but you can't seriously sit here and say week 11 2023 you aren't worried about his regression. He is starting to stare guys down and this past game his mechanics are now suffering... It's not good, this past Sunday should concern you, bad O line or not. There are other QBs in the NFL right now dealing with mid/bad o lines and still producing. The Texans line, while better than our own, are no world beaters, and CJ Stroud seems to be doing just fine. The Commander's o line is down right awful, yet Sam Howell has played well minus 1 game. If they had a defense they'd easily be 6-4. Eventually the excuses need to stop for Trevor, at some point he needs to actually elevate the team, or we need to admit he needs help and isn't the elite superstar we'd hoped for. We can call this year the sophomore slump, since we mulligan'd out his rookie year due to the Urban disaster. Next year is do or die for Trev imo.
As I said, QB, RB, and Defense are doing the job. Just because you have deep seated hate for the guy doesn't make his efforts this year any less imporessive. Yeah, I don't want him Carr Bombed, so get him some damn line help.