(11-15-2023, 11:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2023, 10:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not an excuse. You're sitting here trying to say who cares if Zay is on the field or not, that it doesn't make a difference. When it absolutely does makes a difference. The Offense is simply better when he's on the field.
Yes he has been inactive the majority of the year and there's people out here saying the Offense has struggled for the majority of the year.. Just a coincidence? Or maybe... Hmm, or just maybe he makes this Offense better when he's on the field. Like I said.
Yes Rid needs to play better, although he leads the league in drawing DPI penalties, which doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but most definitely helps the Offense. People love to ignore this though when they talk about Rid.
Regardless, the OL is the worst OL in the league and everything starts up front in the trenches. We get it that Baalke has failed in plenty of ways, but this thread isn't about front office, or coaching staff mismanaging, it's about Zay.
But yes, the OL being hot trash is the biggest reason why this Offense is struggling, but back to my point. The Offense is better when Zay is on the field. It just is. And no, I'm not saying he's the second coming of Jerry Rice, or any dumb [BLEEP] like that.
If trevor and company cant move the ball because a high end 3rd wr isnt playing we have more serious problems
We've already established the main problem dude.. The OLine.. Try and catch up.
(11-15-2023, 11:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2023, 11:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If trevor and company cant move the ball because a high end 3rd wr isnt playing we have more serious problems
We've already established the main problem dude.. The OLine.. Try and catch up.
So did i? Just over hearing the excuses every year. Trevor at some point needs to play up to expectations, everytime he plays bad its urban meyer, or first year in system, or wr drops, or o line, or press taylor. Sick and tired of the pandering, Burrow has had a clapped o line for years and he still produces.
Trevor needs to play better and, the play calling needs to be more on point.
(11-16-2023, 01:43 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor needs to play better and, the play calling needs to be more on point.
Exactly, o line sucks, playcalling has sucked, and trevor hasn’t helped anything. Our team has beaten bad teams off the back of our defense out offense needs to get the [BLEEP] to work
(11-16-2023, 01:16 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2023, 11:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]We've already established the main problem dude.. The OLine.. Try and catch up.
So did i? Just over hearing the excuses every year. Trevor at some point needs to play up to expectations, everytime he plays bad its urban meyer, or first year in system, or wr drops, or o line, or press taylor. Sick and tired of the pandering, Burrow has had a clapped o line for years and he still produces.
The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
(11-16-2023, 01:59 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 01:43 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor needs to play better and, the play calling needs to be more on point.
Exactly, o line sucks, playcalling has sucked, and trevor hasn’t helped anything. Our team has beaten bad teams off the back of our defense out offense needs to get the [BLEEP] to work
Beaten bad teams? lol.
The worst team we've played this season is the 4-6 Falcons.
(11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 01:16 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So did i? Just over hearing the excuses every year. Trevor at some point needs to play up to expectations, everytime he plays bad its urban meyer, or first year in system, or wr drops, or o line, or press taylor. Sick and tired of the pandering, Burrow has had a clapped o line for years and he still produces.
The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
Just be quiet, dudes played 9 games and has 9 tds, 6 ints and 7 fumbles. Hes the biggest worry, hes worse than last year.
Lawrence has made some big time throws to help us get to 6 wins. That same offensive line has helped Etienne score points. Lawrence has also helped Engram become a prolific TE this franchise has never had.
All you have to do is put the Dallas tape on from last year to see what Zay Jones brings to this offense.
(11-15-2023, 11:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2023, 10:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not an excuse. You're sitting here trying to say who cares if Zay is on the field or not, that it doesn't make a difference. When it absolutely does makes a difference. The Offense is simply better when he's on the field.
Yes he has been inactive the majority of the year and there's people out here saying the Offense has struggled for the majority of the year.. Just a coincidence? Or maybe... Hmm, or just maybe he makes this Offense better when he's on the field. Like I said.
Yes Rid needs to play better, although he leads the league in drawing DPI penalties, which doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but most definitely helps the Offense. People love to ignore this though when they talk about Rid.
Regardless, the OL is the worst OL in the league and everything starts up front in the trenches. We get it that Baalke has failed in plenty of ways, but this thread isn't about front office, or coaching staff mismanaging, it's about Zay.
But yes, the OL being hot trash is the biggest reason why this Offense is struggling, but back to my point. The Offense is better when Zay is on the field. It just is. And no, I'm not saying he's the second coming of Jerry Rice, or any dumb [BLEEP] like that.
If trevor and company cant move the ball because a high end 3rd wr isnt playing we have more serious problems
That's not what was said. Replacing Tim, Elijah or Agnew with Zay makes the team better. Full flipping stop.
(11-16-2023, 01:16 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2023, 11:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]We've already established the main problem dude.. The OLine.. Try and catch up.
So did i? Just over hearing the excuses every year. Trevor at some point needs to play up to expectations, everytime he plays bad its urban meyer, or first year in system, or wr drops, or o line, or press taylor. Sick and tired of the pandering, Burrow has had a clapped o line for years and he still produces.
@Their Taylor is better than our Taylor?@
(11-16-2023, 02:57 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
Just be quiet, dudes played 9 games and has 9 tds, 6 ints and 7 fumbles. Hes the biggest worry, hes worse than last year.
SO IS THE LINE
But you are right. He is the biggest worry. If he gets hurt playing behind the inconsistent patchwork we have blocking for him, we are cooked. If we can't keep defenders off of him for at least two seconds, thereby resulting in fumbles or picks, yeah, we're cooked.
You're expecting the kid (compare his age to Burrow, might be interesting) to accomplish the unpossible.
Do you think having Zay on the field helps or hinders Trevor's ability to move the sticks? At the very least, one would say it can't
hurt, right?
(11-16-2023, 02:57 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
Just be quiet, dudes played 9 games and has 9 tds, 6 ints and 7 fumbles. Hes the biggest worry, hes worse than last year.
The only worry about Trevor Lawrence is that the line is going to get him hurt. He's played just fine in 7 games this year with two absolutely maulings of our line and an game against the tinhorns where his stats mirror Stroud's except that our Tank sucks and theirs played great.
(11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 01:16 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So did i? Just over hearing the excuses every year. Trevor at some point needs to play up to expectations, everytime he plays bad its urban meyer, or first year in system, or wr drops, or o line, or press taylor. Sick and tired of the pandering, Burrow has had a clapped o line for years and he still produces.
The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
The least of this team's worries is starting RB, TE, Kirk, and about 2/3 of the defense. The main concern is interior OL followed by DL/pass rush and then Trevor. I would argue he is a top 2-3 concern. I don't see how anyone can look at this season's tape and think Trevor is anywhere near the level he was late last season. He is playing closer to his rookie self than he is the back half of 2022. Sped up, bad mechanics, missing guys, turnovers galore. Sure, he has little O line help but there are other QBs in similarly bad OL situations that are thriving. His numbers are similar to backups and injured QBs, some backups already surpassing him, it's embarrassing.
This offense will continue to struggle until Trevor can 'win' on Sundays. I expect 9-10 in the box from here on out, SF out right disrespected our pass game they had 10+ at times in the box on the snap. They realized something, it's time to wake up fellow Duvalians, Trevor has stunk. Teams are onto it now, and SF laid the blueprint. I expect nothing less from Tennessee onward, it's going to get tougher on O around here until the light bulb comes back on with Trevor.
(11-16-2023, 10:05 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
The least of this team's worries is starting RB, TE, Kirk, and about 2/3 of the defense. The main concern is interior OL followed by DL/pass rush and then Trevor. I would argue he is a top 2-3 concern. I don't see how anyone can look at this season's tape and think Trevor is anywhere near the level he was late last season. He is playing closer to his rookie self than he is the back half of 2022. Sped up, bad mechanics, missing guys, turnovers galore. Sure, he has little O line help but there are other QBs in similarly bad OL situations that are thriving. His numbers are similar to backups and injured QBs, some backups already surpassing him, it's embarrassing.
This offense will continue to struggle until Trevor can 'win' on Sundays. I expect 9-10 in the box from here on out, SF out right disrespected our pass game they had 10+ at times in the box on the snap. They realized something, it's time to wake up fellow Duvalians, Trevor has stunk. Teams are onto it now, and SF laid the blueprint. I expect nothing less from Tennessee onward, it's going to get tougher on O around here until the light bulb comes back on with Trevor.
Oh bull [BLEEP].
He's got a higher completion percentage and YPA than last year, rushing more attempts for a half yard higher average, and he's take almost as many sacks in 9 games as the entire season last year. To say he's a worry or he stinks is simply absurd.
Trevor is the least of my worries on this team. No doubt, he has had a bad year statistically and has also been guilty of too many turnovers. I fully expect him to have a much improved remainder of the season, but the offensive line must give him more protection. Statistics usually don't lie and our line is rated in the bottom two or three in most categories. Baalke has certainly made some very good moves as G.M., but passing on Torrence last April was one of his biggest mistakes. The offensive line must become the top priority during the off-season.
(11-16-2023, 01:57 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is the least of my worries on this team. No doubt, he has had a bad year statistically and has also been guilty of too many turnovers. I fully expect him to have a much improved remainder of the season, but the offensive line must give him more protection. Statistics usually don't lie and our line is rated in the bottom two or three in most categories. Baalke has certainly made some very good moves as G.M., but passing on Torrence last April was one of his biggest mistakes. The offensive line must become the top priority during the off-season.
A very short list of Balkie mistakes.
-Interior offensive line.
-Not drafting a cb early to help the secondary.
- pass rush specialist
(11-16-2023, 02:24 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 01:57 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is the least of my worries on this team. No doubt, he has had a bad year statistically and has also been guilty of too many turnovers. I fully expect him to have a much improved remainder of the season, but the offensive line must give him more protection. Statistics usually don't lie and our line is rated in the bottom two or three in most categories. Baalke has certainly made some very good moves as G.M., but passing on Torrence last April was one of his biggest mistakes. The offensive line must become the top priority during the off-season.
A very short list of Balkie mistakes.
-Interior offensive line.
-Not drafting a cb early to help the secondary.
- pass rush specialist
All of these are true, although Herndon and Williams have far exceeded my expectations at nickel and corner respectively. I feel like the Abdullah pick was meant to improve the pass rush, but Baalke should have known that the chances of him succeeding due to his size were minimal.
(11-16-2023, 02:57 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only person pandering here is you when it comes to Trevor. This isn't a Lawrence thread and he's the least of this team's worries.
Burrow has never had an OL this bad and he has arguably the best WR in all of football.
Anyways, it's not what this thread is about. This is a Zay thread and he helps make this Offense better when he's on the field. Period.
Just be quiet, dudes played 9 games and has 9 tds, 6 ints and 7 fumbles. Hes the biggest worry, hes worse than last year.
Let the hate flow through you.
(11-16-2023, 02:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:24 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]A very short list of Balkie mistakes.
-Interior offensive line.
-Not drafting a cb early to help the secondary.
- pass rush specialist
Walker over Hutch
Bigsby
Trading up for Snoop
I'd have to agree on all of these, also. However, I still have hope for Walker eventually becoming a very good player. The Bigsby pick was terrible on a number of levels, but the Strange pick was even worse. They passed on a potential pro-bowl guard (doing very well this season) for a slightly above average tight end. I feel like Pederson would have much preferred LaPorta, Musgrave or Mayer, but all were already taken so he "settled" for the next best option.
(11-16-2023, 03:07 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2023, 02:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Walker over Hutch
Bigsby
Trading up for Snoop
I'd have to agree on all of these, also. However, I still have hope for Walker eventually becoming a very good player. The Bigsby pick was terrible on a number of levels, but the Strange pick was even worse. They passed on a potential pro-bowl guard (doing very well this season) for a slightly above average tight end. I feel like Pederson would have much preferred LaPorta, Musgrave or Mayer, but all were already taken so he "settled" for the next best option.
Torrence? We didn't pass on him unless you are advocating having taken him in the first instead of Harrison. He got selected 2 spots before Strange near the end of the 2nd round.
EDIT: Ah nevermind, forgot about the trade back from Rd 2 pick 25.